Veteran Maelstrom Arena is Semi-Impossible on Console

Nifty2g · December 2015

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Not bait at all. I've done it without them, I can't use them on console it's easy to do and been done. How many threads and hate posts were made by console players? As for the dungeon comment above..can't remember the last time I had wipes in a dungeon..everyone should know them well enough by now. As for knowing how good your gear is...well everyone else uses the same stuff right? So if others are using the same and doing fine then ultimately the difference will be l2p. ..it's not hard. Just need to respec and ditch all the old crap chuck a few hundred k at your toon and off and you, you'll crush it Everytime. Currently on xbox you cannot do it without a death, near everyone I've asked gets reset on round 7 and loads back in dead sp it's impossible. I'd give it a punt though if I could really be that bothered but tbh there is no real need to do it without a death ..title isn't worth thr time when we need to hoard millions of gold and AP for the next dlc now. No trolling but some of these add ons are overkill. All you need is dps that is all.

You can't argue that addons are overkill when they provide you the necessary information that you normally wouldn't be able to obtain.
Your Damage Per Second, your Critical and non Critical Hit Damage, when a special passive procs (burning light), it's good to know this information to be able to max it out for your performance. There is no situation where this wouldn't be useful lol.
Damage reports help so you can time how long it takes to do a rotation and so you can compare it to other rotations to see which will give you the most damage.

I also like to have a percentage on bosses so I know when to start executing, and I like to know how much magicka I have left out of my total pool so you can start to conserve it.

Those are key essential addons that should have been features in the main game in my opinion

ItsRejectz · December 2015

What a load of tosh! I'm on console now and finished it with every class other thank DK. I don't understand why people would think it is any different

dday3six · December 2015

ItsRejectz wrote: »

What a load of tosh! I'm on console now and finished it with every class other thank DK. I don't understand why people would think it is any different

As stamina or as magicka?

zornyan · December 2015

How would you know what gear gives the best dps, without pc users using add ons and doing the numbers?

For instance how would you know purifying light is a dps loss unless you had a pc player using add ons to calculate dps?

KYNG · December 2015

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Not bait at all. I've done it without them, I can't use them on console it's easy to do and been done. How many threads and hate posts were made by console players? As for the dungeon comment above..can't remember the last time I had wipes in a dungeon..everyone should know them well enough by now. As for knowing how good your gear is...well everyone else uses the same stuff right? So if others are using the same and doing fine then ultimately the difference will be l2p. ..it's not hard. Just need to respec and ditch all the old crap chuck a few hundred k at your toon and off and you, you'll crush it Everytime. Currently on xbox you cannot do it without a death, near everyone I've asked gets reset on round 7 and loads back in dead sp it's impossible. I'd give it a punt though if I could really be that bothered but tbh there is no real need to do it without a death ..title isn't worth thr time when we need to hoard millions of gold and AP for the next dlc now. No trolling but some of these add ons are overkill. All you need is dps that is all.

You seem to think everyone who enters a dungeon is some sort of vet 16 pro.
Thats rarely the case. I have yet to join a dungeon with the new group finder and everyone is rocking vet 16 gear with over 500 CPs. And since theres no Text Chat I have to send individual msgs via PSN for a quick response, I tend to give up after an hour or so of trying. So I default to the group finder, where not everyone is a pro and wipes are common.

KYNG · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Not bait at all. I've done it without them, I can't use them on console it's easy to do and been done. How many threads and hate posts were made by console players? As for the dungeon comment above..can't remember the last time I had wipes in a dungeon..everyone should know them well enough by now. As for knowing how good your gear is...well everyone else uses the same stuff right? So if others are using the same and doing fine then ultimately the difference will be l2p. ..it's not hard. Just need to respec and ditch all the old crap chuck a few hundred k at your toon and off and you, you'll crush it Everytime. Currently on xbox you cannot do it without a death, near everyone I've asked gets reset on round 7 and loads back in dead sp it's impossible. I'd give it a punt though if I could really be that bothered but tbh there is no real need to do it without a death ..title isn't worth thr time when we need to hoard millions of gold and AP for the next dlc now. No trolling but some of these add ons are overkill. All you need is dps that is all.

You can't argue that addons are overkill when they provide you the necessary information that you normally wouldn't be able to obtain.
Your Damage Per Second, your Critical and non Critical Hit Damage, when a special passive procs (burning light), it's good to know this information to be able to max it out for your performance. There is no situation where this wouldn't be useful lol.
Damage reports help so you can time how long it takes to do a rotation and so you can compare it to other rotations to see which will give you the most damage.

I also like to have a percentage on bosses so I know when to start executing, and I like to know how much magicka I have left out of my total pool so you can start to conserve it.

Those are key essential addons that should have been features in the main game in my opinion

I still dunno how people can defend the lack of basic features like timers etc in a competitive game.

Bare UI is a good thing? I think not.

The option to have bare UI is a good thing, not the lack of it.

zornyan · December 2015

I still lol at immersion comments.

Eso has no immersion, face it.

"You've just destroyed the machine creating the dark anchors"

Go into glenumbra and see a dark anchor drop.

Yet immersion at its finest.

Or better, see that player your fighting in cyrodil? You can walk through him like a ghost!

Tectonaut · December 2015

OGLezard wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

While vMA is meant for "hardcore" players, and those with the top of the line end-game gear, and near-max or max champion points... It's still somewhat easier on PC/Mac than it is on console. I've completed the vMA with my sorcerer no problem on the PC/Mac version of ESO, but on console (PS4)...? It's so ridiculously hard.

In fact, it's not even actual difficulty. It's an "artificial difficulty" per say. It's the amount of damage the trash mobs are doing, whilst also trying to deal with the boss/mini-boss at hand. So, it's not a "L2P" issue. It's a "artificial damage" issue. Not even my sorcerer can do it (on console). Neither with pets, or pure DPS caster. Why? Because of the lack of information given. On PC/Mac, you have add-ons which provide information of certain important things. On console, there's none of that. You're just expected to know when, and go from there. Playing "blind" if you will. Or... Maybe in the developer's eyes, playing how it is meant to be played.

This is ridiculous. How do they expect console players to do this? Granted only 1 person has done it so far on PS4, and from what I've read on the forums a few have on XB1. But, you have to ask them just how close it came to them doing it. As well as how many champion points they had. And yes, it's true. There's no rush to do it immediately. And yes, this is something which is meant to be gotten only for the "hardcores". But... There's no other way to get the Maelstrom Arena weapons. So, please Zenimax. Tone down the monster damage. Not the amount of adds/monster. But, the amount of damage they're doing. Because, I'm having a very hard time to keep track of every single thing going on with no add-ons. And apparently, many others are as well that I've spoken with. And also, it's apparently a problem for people on PC/Mac as well (although I have no issues with vMA on PC/Mac due to my high champion points and key information being given to me about what's going on).

TL;DR Version: Mobs doing too much damage, and no way of knowing truly what's going on lack of add-ons), make vMA semi-impossible for console players.

^This. ZOS really needs to stop game testing the difficulty on pc and start test and using the console as the standard. For myself(as a Templar healer) the console general dungeon difficulty is signficantly harder.

@Justice31st u do realize if stuff wasn't tested for pc first, then released to pc where we can hash it out and find out what's broken via addons so we can call zos out on it, console players WOULD NEVER KNOW if something wasn't working properly?

You are welcome for our sacrifice ^_^

P.s.

PC has controller support now......come to us we have addons. Bring your chosen controller too

zornyan wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Add ons are noobish imo. Plenty of people on console have destroyed the arena now without these pointless things cluttering up our plasmas. Seriously no offence but you may enjoy thr game a little more actually looking at the content rather than worrying about a bunch of numbers flapping all over the screen. Ruins what is a really immerse game. Threads on vma need closing. It's been done and dusted..new challenge needed. PVP is picking up again now it's old news.

Noobish? To what actually know what damage your doing? To know if spending 300k worth of mats on that new dps gear is actually worth it?

In a game that has several dps checks, and requires you to make sure your build is capable in certain situations you NEED numbers.

Besides the point you can turn everything off and even have a more immersion UI on pc.

Anyway where did most of the console players get their builds from? Oh right yeah.

Oh and how do console players know if their radiant destruction is bugged and not applying execute damage, or if a skill is bugged and not buffing correctly?

Best of all, how do you communicate in a guild of 500 members where none use voice chat?

Just felt this post should be here twice, in case someone wants to say life isn't a LOT easier on PC. Oh I absolutely would switch if console accounts were given the option like.....wait for it....pc.

zornyan · December 2015

It's not easier pee sey, just a lot more refined, and runs alot better.

I couldn't be bothered to wait for the change, don't think it'll ever happen so just bought pc version and started playing on that.

Shelgon · December 2015

The only thing my addon's tell me is how much damage I'm doing and how broken my armor is, so not getting what you're implying as an add on advantage.

KYNG · December 2015

Shelgon wrote: »

The only thing my addon's tell me is how much damage I'm doing and how broken my armor is, so not getting what you're implying as an add on advantage.

When console players say add on we are using it loosely. Since some add ons are now in game.

Consoles lack ALL of that.
Consoles have no buff/debuff timers, no Text Chat, no latency meters etc. So to us its all add ons.

Callous2208 · December 2015

I'll tell you a little secret, all the add-ons in the world aren't helping my poor stamplar in vet maelstrom. But yea, it would be even worse without them.

Ch4mpTW · December 2015

ZOS really needs to either give add-ons to console, or nerf vma. It's pretty ridiculous. I just attempted with a stamina Nightblade... Nightmare fuel. That is all.

Jahmawi · December 2015

VMA is not impossible in fact its very simple. It just takes time to learn the mechanics. My 1st completion was on a stamina night blade on Xbox i had 247 CP at the moment.

They need to push out more challenging content like this or the game will get stale quick.

I have also completed it on all 3 of my toons

Jahmawi · December 2015

Delete this.

Ezareth · December 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

While vMA is meant for "hardcore" players, and those with the top of the line end-game gear, and near-max or max champion points... It's still somewhat easier on PC/Mac than it is on console. I've completed the vMA with my sorcerer no problem on the PC/Mac version of ESO, but on console (PS4)...? It's so ridiculously hard.

In fact, it's not even actual difficulty. It's an "artificial difficulty" per say. It's the amount of damage the trash mobs are doing, whilst also trying to deal with the boss/mini-boss at hand. So, it's not a "L2P" issue. It's a "artificial damage" issue. Not even my sorcerer can do it (on console). Neither with pets, or pure DPS caster. Why? Because of the lack of information given. On PC/Mac, you have add-ons which provide information of certain important things. On console, there's none of that. You're just expected to know when, and go from there. Playing "blind" if you will. Or... Maybe in the developer's eyes, playing how it is meant to be played.

This is ridiculous. How do they expect console players to do this? Granted only 1 person has done it so far on PS4, and from what I've read on the forums a few have on XB1. But, you have to ask them just how close it came to them doing it. As well as how many champion points they had. And yes, it's true. There's no rush to do it immediately. And yes, this is something which is meant to be gotten only for the "hardcores". But... There's no other way to get the Maelstrom Arena weapons. So, please Zenimax. Tone down the monster damage. Not the amount of adds/monster. But, the amount of damage they're doing. Because, I'm having a very hard time to keep track of every single thing going on with no add-ons. And apparently, many others are as well that I've spoken with. And also, it's apparently a problem for people on PC/Mac as well (although I have no issues with vMA on PC/Mac due to my high champion points and key information being given to me about what's going on).

TL;DR Version: Mobs doing too much damage, and no way of knowing truly what's going on lack of add-ons), make vMA semi-impossible for console players.

Addons give zero real advantage to PC players, they just make some things a little simpler. I could beat vMSA without the only addon I do use (Foundry Tactical) just as easily.

If anything makes vMSA harder on Consoles its the lack of Tab targeting. I don't even want to know how you guys have to select specific mobs in the middle of a group of 5-6 of them. Since they got rid of the white box on PC, the tab targeting has been a crap shoot but it still works most of the time. Without it I'd be raging hardcore trying to get my attacks to hit the mob I'm pointing at.

willymchilybily · December 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

While vMA is meant for "hardcore" players, and those with the top of the line end-game gear, and near-max or max champion points... It's still somewhat easier on PC/Mac than it is on console. I've completed the vMA with my sorcerer no problem on the PC/Mac version of ESO, but on console (PS4)...? It's so ridiculously hard.

In fact, it's not even actual difficulty. It's an "artificial difficulty" per say. It's the amount of damage the trash mobs are doing, whilst also trying to deal with the boss/mini-boss at hand. So, it's not a "L2P" issue. It's a "artificial damage" issue. Not even my sorcerer can do it (on console). Neither with pets, or pure DPS caster. Why? Because of the lack of information given. On PC/Mac, you have add-ons which provide information of certain important things. On console, there's none of that. You're just expected to know when, and go from there. Playing "blind" if you will. Or... Maybe in the developer's eyes, playing how it is meant to be played.

This is ridiculous. How do they expect console players to do this? Granted only 1 person has done it so far on PS4, and from what I've read on the forums a few have on XB1. But, you have to ask them just how close it came to them doing it. As well as how many champion points they had. And yes, it's true. There's no rush to do it immediately. And yes, this is something which is meant to be gotten only for the "hardcores". But... There's no other way to get the Maelstrom Arena weapons. So, please Zenimax. Tone down the monster damage. Not the amount of adds/monster. But, the amount of damage they're doing. Because, I'm having a very hard time to keep track of every single thing going on with no add-ons. And apparently, many others are as well that I've spoken with. And also, it's apparently a problem for people on PC/Mac as well (although I have no issues with vMA on PC/Mac due to my high champion points and key information being given to me about what's going on).

TL;DR Version: Mobs doing too much damage, and no way of knowing truly what's going on lack of add-ons), make vMA semi-impossible for console players.

Addons give zero real advantage to PC players, they just make some things a little simpler. I could beat vMSA without the only addon I do use (Foundry Tactical) just as easily.

If anything makes vMSA harder on Consoles its the lack of Tab targeting. I don't even want to know how you guys have to select specific mobs in the middle of a group of 5-6 of them. Since they got rid of the white box on PC, the tab targeting has been a crap shoot but it still works most of the time. Without it I'd be raging hardcore trying to get my attacks to hit the mob I'm pointing at.

they do have tab targeting on console. only just discovered it / was told about it recently. they just dont tell any one how to do it or give any manuals, and the function is clunky; joystick is less responsive than mouse, and its not a case of hitting tab but holding down till it pops. kind of pointless really takes longer to tab target an enemy than to burn them down. Nvm.

Ps this is a necro of a necro of a necro btw.