Jitterbug wrote: »

So that's why sorcs suck so hard in PvP right now?

:-P

Never pvp, so don't really have any info on that, will say that it's from a PvE standpoint.
Apparently I can't, but yeah, for anyone else reading this, this is from someone that does only PvE.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Best pve class and one of the strongest pvp classes. And you want more? How about NO.

lol, I've only really seen stam sorcs do well in general, then there's the few people that can get 30k+ dps, but that's not the normal dps for a decent player. Shall we all then go with the 40k+ dps a templar pulled off as the normal dps for a templar then too? Link to the guy doing it http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232694/40k-dps-on-magika-templar#latest

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Best pve class and one of the strongest pvp classes. And you want more? How about NO.

lol, I've only really seen stam sorcs do well in general, then there's the few people that can get 30k+ dps, but that's not the normal dps for a decent player. Shall we all then go with the 40k+ dps a templar pulled off as the normal dps for a templar then too? Link to the guy doing it http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232694/40k-dps-on-magika-templar#latest

LOL

This was only the reply to a topic, where a sorc did 45k DPS on this boss....in the same topic someone posted a video qith a sorc doing 54k DPS...so pls read the whole topic before you mention it.

Sorc are rly strong in PvE, but have to use 1k Ultimate to achieve such numbers...they also do very well with normal force pulse/crystal frag/curse/liquid lightning rotation...mages wrath is used as execute.
btw. Stamsorc...they are not bad, but can't compete with magicka sorc (or i need to l2p my stam sorc ^^)...

PS: i only talk about PvE...i don't know anything about pvp ;-)

Destruent wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Best pve class and one of the strongest pvp classes. And you want more? How about NO.

lol, I've only really seen stam sorcs do well in general, then there's the few people that can get 30k+ dps, but that's not the normal dps for a decent player. Shall we all then go with the 40k+ dps a templar pulled off as the normal dps for a templar then too? Link to the guy doing it http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232694/40k-dps-on-magika-templar#latest

LOL

This was only the reply to a topic, where a sorc did 45k DPS on this boss....in the same topic someone posted a video qith a sorc doing 54k DPS...so pls read the whole topic before you mention it.

Sorc are rly strong in PvE, but have to use 1k Ultimate to achieve such numbers...they also do very well with normal force pulse/crystal frag/curse/liquid lightning rotation...mages wrath is used as execute.
btw. Stamsorc...they are not bad, but can't compete with magicka sorc (or i need to l2p my stam sorc ^^)...

PS: i only talk about PvE...i don't know anything about pvp ;-)

As I said, sorcs could use a spammable ability from their own skill trees so that they don't need to be pideonholed into destro staff with force pulse, sorcs don't have any other spammable abilities except mages wrath which is an execute, and a bad one at that when I can do more dps just using my regular rotation. Just want some more diversity than one skill, really. Just having force pulse to choose from gets old really fast :P

I just don't understand why everyone strictly not want to use weapon abilities...if no one needs/wants to use them, why do we have them? btw you could also use trapping webs from the undaunted skilline an specc for magic dmg in your CP-tree...
I mean...there are bigger problems ingame than sorc-DPS-rotation O_o

Wtb lol button.

Sorcs should have a spammable class dmg ability, right now most skills are designed for burst which makes sorcs really strong in pvp but below par in pve without the 1k overload spam.

Mages Wrath looks like a good skill to change, if you want the execute (that currently performs below par) you can choose Endless Fury and if you want an instant dmg ability you can choose Mages Wrath.

Either that or Velocious Curse, if you want burst/pet dmg you can go for Daedric Prey and if you want an instant dmg ability you can choose Velocious Curse.

Personally I would prefer Mages Wrath because you can dump 100 CP into elemental dmg and not worry about magic dmg.

Destruent wrote: »

Sorc are rly strong in PvE, but have to use 1k Ultimate to achieve such numbers...they also do very well with normal force pulse/crystal frag/curse/liquid lightning rotation...mages wrath is used as execute.
btw. Stamsorc...they are not bad, but can't compete with magicka sorc (or i need to l2p my stam sorc ^^)...

The first part is true but the second part is subjective to what you define as ' doing well'.

-Force Pulse does far less dmg than class spammable dmg abilities, the only benefit worth mentioning is that it has a 27% chance to proc the Nerienths crystal if you run that set (Molag Kena is better for Overload spam).
-Crystal Frags hits decent but you need a lot of CP to make it work for pve, you want 100 CP into elemental dmg for high Overload dmg.
-Curse doesnt increase your dps in a rotation (only burst dmg which makes it good for pvp) so there's little reason to slot it in pve.
-Mages Wrath is a pretty terrible execute, the time it takes to explode (again burst dmg) ruins the potential dps gain. Force Pulse weave does around the same dps, slotting Mages Wrath on your DW bar does help but its still considerably slower than Impale, Radiant Destruction or Executioner.

All these thing dont really matter for the rather easy vet dungeons, they do matter for harder end-game content.

willymchilybily wrote: »

@cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

You realise you are asking to give a large buff to sorc in both PvP and PvE, aka spammable dps so they can proc crystal frags frequently while DW swords for 400 more SpellDamage and an additional set bonus.They already have high dps in PvE, are the most successful at vMSA and have great utility and burst in PvP. and class passives on top of light armour passives gives them good sustain

I dont think they need another weapon in their arsenal. You should be asking for them to equalize staffs with DW sword for spell damage boost.

I've done that too but people only say that it shouldn't be like that for *** reasons like risk vs reward, when the AoE ability of destro staffs got let radius and less dps overall which just puts magicka users in more danger when they got less armor and less damage with AoE.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Best pve class and one of the strongest pvp classes. And you want more? How about NO.

lol, I've only really seen stam sorcs do well in general, then there's the few people that can get 30k+ dps, but that's not the normal dps for a decent player. Shall we all then go with the 40k+ dps a templar pulled off as the normal dps for a templar then too? Link to the guy doing it http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232694/40k-dps-on-magika-templar#latest

Nice joke. You know how many stam morphs sorc gets? Minus bound arm (which is a toggle) 1 - and its complete trash and nobody uses it. As a stam sorc, I actually use the magicka morph, because the stam version is so offensively bad.

Additionally, stam sorc wont outdamage magicka sorc. I am a stam sorc, and I have 3 sorc skills actually learned - because the other are so skewed to magicka only I cant even use them practically in a utility sense for PVP or PVE. How about ults? They all scale with magicka as well.

Dont even throw around the word stam sorc as a piece to argue with in favor of giving magicka sorcs something more - its a joke. I dont think anything in the game outdamages magicka sorc overload burst.

I wanted this pretty badly in 1.5 when I was using Resto/Sword and Board as my build and mages wrath was my go to damage ability to the point where I was known for spamming it constantly against players.

I'm not a big fan of the Destro staff because the only reason you want to use it is for Crushing Shock. Impulse is garbage. Elemental Drain is only useful on PvE bosses and Wall of Elements is....lol.

I'd much rather they made the Crystal Blast Morph of Crystal Fragments spammable for people who want something. Make it instant cast and reduce its damage by 20% and cost by 20%. You'd lose the 20% proc bonus but it would do comparable damage to crushing shock and open up other options for a Sorc without providing a DPS boost.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

So that's why sorcs suck so hard in PvP right now?

:-P

Never pvp, so don't really have any info on that, will say that it's from a PvE standpoint.
Apparently I can't, but yeah, for anyone else reading this, this is from someone that does only PvE.

There's a reason why magicka sorcs finished vet maelstrom arena before everybody else. Top ranged dps + shields that make you as strong as a tank.

Asmael wrote: »

Spammable ranged magicka DPS that you can use with DW?

Trapping web.

You're asking for something that already exists...

Only issue with that is: Trapping webs costs 33% more magica while also dealing less dmg than crushing shock. Crushing shock is already quite expensive when compared to other magica anytime dps skills.

The skill is garbage.

Destruent wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sorcs should have a spammable class dmg ability, right now most skills are designed for burst which makes sorcs really strong in pvp but below par in pve without the 1k overload spam.

Mages Wrath looks like a good skill to change, if you want the execute (that currently performs below par) you can choose Endless Fury and if you want an instant dmg ability you can choose Mages Wrath.

Either that or Velocious Curse, if you want burst/pet dmg you can go for Daedric Prey and if you want an instant dmg ability you can choose Velocious Curse.

Personally I would prefer Mages Wrath because you can dump 100 CP into elemental dmg and not worry about magic dmg.

Destruent wrote: »

Sorc are rly strong in PvE, but have to use 1k Ultimate to achieve such numbers...they also do very well with normal force pulse/crystal frag/curse/liquid lightning rotation...mages wrath is used as execute.
btw. Stamsorc...they are not bad, but can't compete with magicka sorc (or i need to l2p my stam sorc ^^)...

The first part is true but the second part is subjective to what you define as ' doing well'.

-Force Pulse does far less dmg than class spammable dmg abilities, the only benefit worth mentioning is that it has a 27% chance to proc the Nerienths crystal if you run that set (Molag Kena is better for Overload spam).
-Crystal Frags hits decent but you need a lot of CP to make it work for pve, you want 100 CP into elemental dmg for high Overload dmg.
-Curse doesnt increase your dps in a rotation (only burst dmg which makes it good for pvp) so there's little reason to slot it in pve.
-Mages Wrath is a pretty terrible execute, the time it takes to explode (again burst dmg) ruins the potential dps gain. Force Pulse weave does around the same dps, slotting Mages Wrath on your DW bar does help but its still considerably slower than Impale, Radiant Destruction or Executioner.

All these thing dont really matter for the rather easy vet dungeons, they do matter for harder end-game content.

ok...so I'm just wondering why sorcs in endgame-groups do the following:

- slotting velecious curse and using it for ST-Fights
- Using their execute instead of their normal rotation when they run out of ult and boss is below 20%
- they are also using crystal frags when they procc

and btw...which "Harder endgame content" are you referring to?

1) Slotting Curse over Impulse gives us 2% more spell damage per one of the Lightning Tree Passives. Basically what you do when there's no AoE to speak of.

2) Mage's Wrath is still the hardest hitting damage spell we've got under 20%. That's why we use it. It's just not very impressive when you compare it with other executes.

3) I can't defend the statement about Crystal Fragments. Frags works just fine without any CP's into Thaumaturge because the proc makes it do so much extra damage and cost so little as a result.

-*- To all the goobers regarding Trapping Webs -*- I hope your vet ICP and WGT groups are full of magicka sorcs using that ability. I'm sure you'll have a very enjoyable experience ~.^

The reality here is that even with a spamable attack akin to pulse the benefit is so greatly mitigated by the lack of weaves that this spamable attack would have to be friggen amazing. Balance breaking. They need to fix the destruction staff tree/abilities/scaling to suck less.

Asmael wrote: »

Spammable ranged magicka DPS that you can use with DW?

Trapping web.

You're asking for something that already exists...

My head would fall off if the sorc I go to vwgt with cast trapping webs.