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How many stamina based classes have completed Malestrom arena with Vigor or a morph Vigor and how many with out?

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  • runagate
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    that info would be server side, not client side
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  • dimensional
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    Yeah, theoretically.
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  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    MrGrimey wrote: »
    Why would you do it without vigor?

    There are people who do not pvp. So he asking if anyone has done it without because some people who bought the dlc are PvE only and technically don't have it.

    This is just an assumption though.


    I talked to Zos_Seiffer (only has a twitch account, no eso forum account) who was apart of the dungeon development team and created the maelstrom arena. He was in a stream the other day cheering on ProSophist_ a ps4 player (:itsneno on twitch) on his first vMA play through. I actually asked Seiffer if he could track all this information because i was struggling trying to even finish vMA as a vampire NB. The Zos employee said he can get the information from each person who completes the arena. Character sheet's and skill's. However i'm sure this is classified information. He also stated that vMA is indeed a dps race.

    Also that there are going to be change's to stamina based class skill's in the near future. He mentioned class balance changes are coming with changes to vMA itself. No date but this is what me and him were taking about. No detail's about the changes specifically but he did state what i've mentioned above. I know for a fact he said stamina specifically. We just have to wait and see.



    I hope this help's.



    Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on December 1, 2015 7:51AM
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  • Turelus
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    MrGrimey wrote: »
    Why would you do it without vigor?

    There are people who do not pvp. So he asking if anyone has done it without because some people who bought the dlc are PvE only and technically don't have it.

    This is just an assumption though.


    I talked to Zos_Seiffer (only has a twitch account, no eso forum account) who was apart of the dungeon development team and created the maelstrom arena. He was in a stream the other day cheering on ProSophist_ a ps4 player (:itsneno on twitch) on his first vMA play through. I actually asked Seiffer if he could track all this information because i was struggling trying to even finish vMA as a vampire NB. The Zos employee said he can get the information from each person who completes the arena. Character sheet's and skill's. However i'm sure this is classified information. He also stated that vMA is indeed a dps race.

    Also that there are going to be change's to stamina based class skill's in the near future. He mentioned class balance changes are coming with changes to vMA itself. No date but this is what me and him were taking about. No detail's about the changes specifically but he did state what i've mentioned above. I know for a fact he said stamina specifically. We just have to wait and see.



    I hope this help's.



    +1 Insightful, very interesting to read. Thank you!
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  • acw37162
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    runagate wrote: »
    that info would be server side, not client side

    Accessible tho, right?

  • MrGrimey
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    Why would you do it without vigor?
  • Dymence
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    Why is this relevant?
  • Sharakor
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    Great more nerfs, you should be so proud.
  • MrGrimey
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    Maybe you should pvp to get vigor then. Kinda like how pvp players have to pve to get... Well, everything
  • Jhunn
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    Also that there are going to be change's to stamina based class skill's in the near future. He mentioned class balance changes are coming with changes to vMA itself. No date but this is what me and him were taking about. No detail's about the changes specifically but he did state what i've mentioned above. I know for a fact he said stamina specifically. We just have to wait and see.
    Let's hope they don't nerf vMSA before this. Pretty please don't nerf.
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  • acw37162
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    MrGrimey wrote: »
    Why would you do it without vigor?

    There are people who do not pvp. So he asking if anyone has done it without because some people who bought the dlc are PvE only and technically don't have it.

    This is just an assumption though.


    I talked to Zos_Seiffer (only has a twitch account, no eso forum account) who was apart of the dungeon development team and created the maelstrom arena. He was in a stream the other day cheering on ProSophist_ a ps4 player (:itsneno on twitch) on his first vMA play through. I actually asked Seiffer if he could track all this information because i was struggling trying to even finish vMA as a vampire NB. The Zos employee said he can get the information from each person who completes the arena. Character sheet's and skill's. However i'm sure this is classified information. He also stated that vMA is indeed a dps race.

    Also that there are going to be change's to stamina based class skill's in the near future. He mentioned class balance changes are coming with changes to vMA itself. No date but this is what me and him were taking about. No detail's about the changes specifically but he did state what i've mentioned above. I know for a fact he said stamina specifically. We just have to wait and see.



    I hope this help's.



    Thank you


    Dymence wrote: »
    Why is this relevant?

    It's relevant for at least three very important reason IF the data shows what I think it will show. If you don't know what the reasons are, I'm sorry.



    MrGrimey wrote: »
    Maybe you should pvp to get vigor then. Kinda like how pvp players have to pve to get... Well, everything

    When did asking a data question become a PVP/PVE argument.

    Alas the only things PVP'ers have to do is dungeons and arenas to get BIS monster helmets and weapons if you want them. Not to mention for the better part of year and half you had to PVP to get best in slot gear, I really don't want to hear it, the developers work real hard to make PVP'ers not have to PVE and still allow you to use PVP skills in PVE.

    The easiest fix to your comment is to disallow monster helms and arena weapons in PVP and turn off all PVP only items in PvE creating a real line of demarcation. The developers have decided to take a much more work intensive path allowing both parties acces and use of each and balancing it out.

    If you want to complain and a balance question feel free to complain but that's all your doing.
  • Dymence
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    acw37162 wrote: »
    Dymence wrote: »
    Why is this relevant?

    It's relevant for at least three very important reason IF the data shows what I think it will show. If you don't know what the reasons are, I'm sorry.

    So what are your three obscure important reasons? It just seems like another entitlement thread to be honest.

    For what it's worth, I completed it on my stamina sorc without vigor.
  • acw37162
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    Dymence wrote: »
    acw37162 wrote: »
    Dymence wrote: »
    Why is this relevant?

    It's relevant for at least three very important reason IF the data shows what I think it will show. If you don't know what the reasons are, I'm sorry.

    So what are your three obscure important reasons? It just seems like another entitlement thread to be honest.

    For what it's worth, I completed it on my stamina sorc without vigor.

    It would be an entitlement thread if I ha demanded something not asked for data and if the data supports argument then it's not entitlement.

    1. Stamina vs Magica balancing
    2. Maelstrom has leaderboards and rewards associated with it
    3. Class and skill balance

    Congrats on your clear of the arena did you use crit surge?

    Edit : Forget the question, I'm 100% sure you did, Congrats I hope you pulled the weapon you were looking for.

    Edited by acw37162 on December 1, 2015 4:09PM
  • Dymence
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    acw37162 wrote: »
    Dymence wrote: »
    acw37162 wrote: »
    Dymence wrote: »
    Why is this relevant?

    It's relevant for at least three very important reason IF the data shows what I think it will show. If you don't know what the reasons are, I'm sorry.

    So what are your three obscure important reasons? It just seems like another entitlement thread to be honest.

    For what it's worth, I completed it on my stamina sorc without vigor.

    It would be an entitlement thread if I ha demanded something not asked for data and if the data supports argument then it's not entitlement.

    1. Stamina vs Magica balancing
    2. Maelstrom has leaderboards and rewards associated with it
    3. Class and skill balance

    Congrats on your clear of the arena did you use crit surge?

    Edit : Forget the question, I'm 100% sure you did, Congrats I hope you pulled the weapon you were looking for.

    Your first two reasons aren't even related to your question regarding data.

    Yes, I used crit surge, and it was obvious you were going to tackle that. I don't need to do it on my stamina sorc to pull the weapon I was hoping for though, as I long since have almost every weapon in every desirable trait from multiple completions on my magicka sorc and nb.
  • acw37162
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    Dymence wrote: »
    acw37162 wrote: »
    Dymence wrote: »
    acw37162 wrote: »
    Dymence wrote: »
    Why is this relevant?

    It's relevant for at least three very important reason IF the data shows what I think it will show. If you don't know what the reasons are, I'm sorry.

    So what are your three obscure important reasons? It just seems like another entitlement thread to be honest.

    For what it's worth, I completed it on my stamina sorc without vigor.

    It would be an entitlement thread if I ha demanded something not asked for data and if the data supports argument then it's not entitlement.

    1. Stamina vs Magica balancing
    2. Maelstrom has leaderboards and rewards associated with it
    3. Class and skill balance

    Congrats on your clear of the arena did you use crit surge?

    Edit : Forget the question, I'm 100% sure you did, Congrats I hope you pulled the weapon you were looking for.

    Your first two reasons aren't even related to your question regarding data.

    Yes, I used crit surge, and it was obvious you were going to tackle that. I don't need to do it on my stamina sorc to pull the weapon I was hoping for though, as I long since have almost every weapon in every desirable trait from multiple completions on my magicka sorc and nb.


    The first two apply and have game wide and game design implications. So could the easily ten more reasons I could suggest that go to design, content, and balancing but I have no desire to argue with anyone -about reasoning I wanted the data if the could/would get it.

    Everything until then is speculation and theory crafting on which we obviously disagree.

    Congrats again on the mutiple clears, scores, and weapon cache.
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