I'm certainly not a fan of what the OP suggests. As a new player, I would never expect to catch up rapidly to a player that may have played the game for several years. I'm fairly content with the catch up system they have in the game right now. It seems that every time I complete a quest or sneeze, I'm awarded a CP. I'm working my way through Caldwell's for the first time on my main and I feel that the system is very fair how it stands right now. The vet levels are slow for me however the CP points come very rapidly. Currently V13 and have 150 CP points or so (I think...never really look at them).

Part of the satisfaction (for me) when playing an MMO or single player game is feeling a sense of accomplishment as you invest time and effort into a character. If I was able to buy a CP scroll that awarded me a huge chuck of points, I think my interest in the game would wane. I'm NOT a competitive player though and mostly like to take my time exploring the world and questing. If Zen were to introduce such a thing, I think they would need to think very carefully about implementation. If a brand new player was able to buy their way to CP cap, I think this would be spitting in the face of the long term players. Let the long term players have a edge. With time and effort, a new player can eventually catch up. If someone gets discouraged from the very start and has the attitude of "This game sucks, I'll never catch up and it's unfair," then perhaps the game isn't for them. I've never had that attitude. I'm usually very excited to start sometime new, know that I have lots of work to do, and then happily go off and play the game! So please don't speak for all of us new players.

Out of curiosity, how did games like EQ handle their AA system? I heard some of the same things about vet players having tons of AA points they accumulated over the years. Did EQ ever introduce some catchup system?

Teeeerrrrrrrrrrrible Idea dude..... just aweful...

Say NO to any P2W items....

I'd dont mind paying for utility items, and costumes/mounts, but absolutly not on skill points, champion points, attribute points.

BugCollector wrote: »

Hear me out. Even with the catch-up mechanic, in a year or so, new players will NEVER be able to catch up with longtime players. Those new players will get very frustrated and eventually they will give up on the game, because there's no way they'll ever catch-up on Champion Points. Those players should be able to buy CP in the Crown Store for a hefty price and ONLY until they've reached the cap.
Is there really another solution?

I strongly disagree with even the remote possibility of this. You already have crown scrolls, rings of mara, and 2 player xp boost. You do not need anything else.

I've managed to gain almost 300 CP in a couple of months on my first alt with only the 10% ESO+ buff. I even have XP scrolls in my inventory but have never used them (got them as part of the Black Fredas pack, so haven't had much time either). I never grind for XP, as I've just been going through the questlines in a normal fashion.

The catchup system is awesome, in that I can get a whole heap of CP without even needing to use the XP scrolls/potions, so the idea of being able to buy CP is not needed.

Like many others on this thread, I would leave the game if they implemented this as it would be a shameless cash-grab from ZOS that would completely ruin the balance and be a much smaller step away from hiding progression behind necessary purchases.

Because CP's aren't actual character levels I understand why the topic was written but I disagree that CP's should ever be something to buy. There are exp scrolls and right now the lack of them are on sale so that covers buy CP's, character levels and as current VR level with some work.

The catch-up system with a cap works well and if someone comes later, they should start behind and work to progress but the system helps and will continue to help a player with lesser CP's.

Not no, but hell no.

buying any kind of actual character advancement from the Crown Store is a horrendous idea.

if they do this, then they may as well just let people buy max level, max cp, fully geared, fully-min/maxed characters already specced for them and forget the rest of the game.

sorry, but your idea sucks. royally. people are "tearing down" the thread because it should be torn down.

the current catch-up mechanic is fine. it does not need to changed.

BugCollector wrote: »

Hear me out. Even with the catch-up mechanic, in a year or so, new players will NEVER be able to catch up with longtime players. Those new players will get very frustrated and eventually they will give up on the game, because there's no way they'll ever catch-up on Champion Points. Those players should be able to buy CP in the Crown Store for a hefty price and ONLY until they've reached the cap.
Is there really another solution?

Horrible idea, how about thought that there is a pvp version where champion points don't matter or tiered champion points level. You can engage in mode x if you have less than 100 cp's or that kind of thing. Seems like it would take care of both issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eal4fep7pK4

incase I wasn't clear with my other post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB4Nby2Ai-g

When they raise the cap, I expect they will change the CP formula. That means people who just hit 50 would get CP way quicker than people who just hit 50 now. So new people would be able to catch up.

People suggesting XP pots and other multipliers are missing the point. Multiplying by 1.7 doesn't matter much when the marginal increase in XP needed per CP keeps rising the way it currently does if there is no change to the current formula.

What matters is the adjustment made when the XP needed at for each point when the cap is raised.

zornyan wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Ruben wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I think champion point selling would be a good thing for the game.

I'm not being dishonest. We already have pay to win. Pay to win is part of many games. Get over it.

What is pay to win currently? Please, do not say XP scrolls because if they are "pay to win" category there would not be this thread asking for a P2W mechanic for something gained with XP.

Why not? The problem with the current P2W scheme via XP/CP scrolls is that it was designed to fool players that it is not a P2W scheme. And it works, a lot of players do not get that extra CPs gained thanks to XP/CP scrolls are effectively paid for advantage over players who did not pay. Unfortunately, it also means that some credit card warriors do not know they should go and pay to win there.
I understand that after all those talks about how ZOS does not want to monetize its players and how subs are the business model for ESO, convenience only and blah blah blah, P2W has to be implemented carefully, step by step, but I think our community is ripe for it. Either there should be flat out CPs in the cash shop, or at least ZOS could explain e.g. in some future ESO live how existing P2W schemes work, that XP/CP scrolls are in fact cash to CPs scheme, repair kits cash to gold scheme etc., so that even the most simple among us could go and actually pay to win.

Not even remotely p2w, on ps4 most guilds give out xp pots for free weekly, it's a system in game already.

Besides someone using a scroll to level whilst questing won't be getting half the xp of someone grinding in the most effecient areas with our a scroll.

He will still get more CPs than a player questing without scrolls. There will be power gap between the two; he will have paid to win over the other player.

zornyan wrote: »

It's not an advantage, there is a cap in place that prevents anyone gaining any more power than anyone else...

A cap most definitely does not prevent anyone from gaining more power. A cap on CPs does not equal to players having the same amount of CPs.

zornyan wrote: »

they could buy 50 scrolls but still not use them correctly, and they are not required. I've gained over 120 cp in a week recently without a scroll (from 140 to 270)

There is no cash to gold scheme, everything in the crown store is account bound, and is actually significantly weaker than its in game counterpart.

Tri pots, food and drink buffs etc are all far weaker than their (very cheaply or even free if you put the time in) crafted in gsme counterparts.

It is irrelevant that is account bound or somehow worse than in game counterparts. If you buy repairs, potions, motifs etc. with crowns, you keep their worth in gold which you would have had to spend otherwise. Therefore, you convert cash to extra gold.

zornyan wrote: »

Oh wait is a bear mount p2w?

That is as P2W as anything can possibly be, because AFAIK there no way you could get that mount without paying.
Even if you could, even if the bear was not an objective (win) per se, effort spent on getting it could not be spent on e.g. grinding gear, CPs, whatever, therefore there would again be power gap between those who paid and those who did not.

zornyan wrote: »

Repair kits? Yeah that 1300 gold at endgame is terrible for players, I mean it's not like doing certain content or jobs nets you several hundred thousand a week...

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

When they raise the cap, I expect they will change the CP formula. That means people who just hit 50 would get CP way quicker than people who just hit 50 now. So new people would be able to catch up.

People suggesting XP pots and other multipliers are missing the point. Multiplying by 1.7 doesn't matter much when the marginal increase in XP needed per CP keeps rising the way it currently does if there is no change to the current formula.

What matters is the adjustment made when the XP needed at for each point when the cap is raised.

The Champion point cost automatically goes down when the cap is raised. They already showed us how it is calculated.


To the guy saying that the bear mount is pay to win: LOL.

k2blader wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

Hear me out. Even with the catch-up mechanic, in a year or so, new players will NEVER be able to catch up with longtime players. Those new players will get very frustrated and eventually they will give up on the game, because there's no way they'll ever catch-up on Champion Points. Those players should be able to buy CP in the Crown Store for a hefty price and ONLY until they've reached the cap.
Is there really another solution?

I agree with your premise and think that is the downfall of this game. It would be "funny" to see how many people would buy CPs. Personally I don't think anything in this game is is worth doing that.

Probably they will lose more paying customers if they introduce such a shamelles p2w nonsense.
And those lazy people who want to buy a "win" button will quit shortly after they get what they want. There's a lot of examples of how p2w ruined games - mostly f2p ones of course. And eso is b2p so extra paywalls (and no, dlcs are not a paywalls, its just new content. You would've paid for them even if the game stayed p2p - there was a subscription fee) are not acceptable.

how about selling CP ingame between players instead of crowns?

simply no to all,CP is fine as it is now its easy to get them