As you can buy all parts of the motif from an npc vendor and can't get it as random drops I don't see a reason why a whole book should exist. The only advantage would be that it's faster to read one book than all the different chapters.

Yeah but its very hard right now to find a very small dedicated group of people to farm alliance points with. Without running into a 21 person gankathon

SirDopey wrote: »

Whats wrong with the sword motiff?????

DON'T go there...

Taemethius wrote: »

If a whole book shows up in the crown store it will be a slap in the face to the people that grind for it.


All these full motif books on the crown store are a joke, its pay to win.

If I can go buy a whole book and charge people coins to craft the gear its pay to win. In the meantime I put crafters out of buisness who might not be able to make a full set.



~This comment was not made to incite hate,panic or anger~

The full motif will show up in the Crown Store. ZOS said they wanted to wait around a DLC to do so, that means we will likely see the Akaviri and Ancient Orc motifs around the time of Thieves' Guild release.

Which is good! It adds money to ZOS' coffers and it is fully cosmetic.

Taemethius wrote: »

If a whole book shows up in the crown store it will be a slap in the face to the people that grind for it.


All these full motif books on the crown store are a joke, its pay to win.

If I can go buy a whole book and charge people coins to craft the gear its pay to win. In the meantime I put crafters out of buisness who might not be able to make a full set.



~This comment was not made to incite hate,panic or anger~

LOL .... A motif book being Pay To Win.. So much lol...

and nope.. your comment was made it incite a whole lot of lolz.

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Taemethius wrote: »

If a whole book shows up in the crown store it will be a slap in the face to the people that grind for it.


All these full motif books on the crown store are a joke, its pay to win.

If I can go buy a whole book and charge people coins to craft the gear its pay to win. In the meantime I put crafters out of buisness who might not be able to make a full set.



~This comment was not made to incite hate,panic or anger~

LOL .... A motif book being Pay To Win.. So much lol...

Many crafters make tons of gold for the newest style. So if you can skip the grind for pages and go right into making gear for gold it is pay to win.

1. Your able to make tons of gold of the style.
2. You take your gold you made and buy mats to upgrade your own sets with out any grind at all.
3. You get a set of full legendary with no back breaking at all.

So yes it is pay to win. It couldnt be more clear. I know because i charge 40k for 5 pieces of akaviri.

Alucardo wrote: »

Taemethius wrote: »

If I can go buy a whole book and charge people coins to craft the gear its pay to win. In the meantime I put crafters out of buisness who might not be able to make a full set.

If you've seen my rant on the Xivkyn motif in the crown store, then you'll know I'm against full motifs in the crown store too, but calling it p2w is a bit extreme. The styles add no bonuses to your gear - they're purely cosmetic.

Always thought the prices for these were way too high. 500k AP for a single chapter? I will buy with crowns when it hits the stores or they drop a decimal point

Having chapters as leaderboard rewards would be cool too. Unless of course they already are...

They probably could offer a whole book though and give a slight discount over buying them one at a time.

TERMINAT0R_XVII wrote: »

Yeah but its very hard right now to find a very small dedicated group of people to farm alliance points with. Without running into a 21 person gankathon

i´m PvPing solo or in a micro group up to 4 players and have the entire akaviri motif bundle on my crafter, just needs a bit of dedication and fun in pvping - wich currently is plummetting thx to the lag issue.

Elhanan wrote: »

Taemethius wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

Can i take a moment to apreciate how people claim that a Crafting aesthetic style is Pay2Win ?
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Okay i'm done

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Oh It's just a craft style that's not even that fancy, just make Khajiit style armor with either ancient elf or breton Shoulders and you're good.

People pay gold for the new style to be crafted. Is it really that hard to see?

You buy motif for crowns. You turn around and sell those crafted items for coins.

You did not earn the right to craft that style you paid for it.

The prices people are willing to pay for crafted gear is insulting. As one of the very few 9-trait crafters on PS4, I can say that having unique styles has never helped me achieve higher prices for crafted items.

It's not insulting, it's that crafting is so damn easy for everyone to do. No ones going to pay loads of gold to get anything crafted when it's so widely accessible.

me_ming wrote: »

Taemethius wrote: »

1. Your able to make tons of gold of the style.
2. You take your gold you made and buy mats to upgrade your own sets with out any grind at all.
3. You get a set of full legendary with no back breaking at all.

So yes it is pay to win. It couldnt be more clear. I know because i charge 40k for 5 pieces of akaviri.

Alucardo wrote: »

Taemethius wrote: »

If I can go buy a whole book and charge people coins to craft the gear its pay to win. In the meantime I put crafters out of buisness who might not be able to make a full set.

If you've seen my rant on the Xivkyn motif in the crown store, then you'll know I'm against full motifs in the crown store too, but calling it p2w is a bit extreme. The styles add no bonuses to your gear - they're purely cosmetic.

1. I have my Xivkyn-styled Kagernac's Hope crafted by a guild mate without a charge. I provided the mats (and tipped him 4k gold). All of my guilds would craft anyone in guild for free for those players who wants certain style (as long as they provide the mats).

2. I highly doubt you have gotten a lot of gold (or people) wanting you to craft a certain style for a very expensive amount of gold (when they, may or may not, have guilds which are like mine).

I'm sure most players are conscious of the style that they're wearing, but I honestly, have not heard anyone saying that just because he learned a certain style he got better at playing the game. I would pay appropriate gold for a set piece I need, irregardless of style.

lol. No offense, and not trying to be rude here, but that "pay-to-win" remark is really just hilarious.

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here, it is not my personal view but I can see the point. A crafter is able to sell items in a specific style. Akaviri is the style worn by the Blades, the elite guard of the Emperor, and if I remember the past games you were only able to get one or 2 of the items during a quest, but you had to hand them back (the only one I remember is the opening quest of Oblivion when you got the katana but the guard removed it from you stating you are not worthy or something).

So for someone wanting to RP as a Blade, they will pay for that style no matter what. The crafter can make a lot of gold from this. The crafter can then use that gold to pay for items that will improve his/her stable of characters, put to guild to buy better vendor, pay top coin for items in guild vendors pushing up prices, accumulate a vast pool of gold so when housing does appear, they can buy the best straight off the line. So in a way, it is pay to win.

However, it is not a direct pay to win. To make a vast amount of gold the player would have to advertise or get the word out that he can craft in that style.

Why do all the "crafting style motifs are P2W" have Almeri avatars?

You make me want to switch alliances!