FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Only if they release a purely pvp version of the rest of tamriel. In all seriousness though there would be an awful lot of useless space, and you can already join an almost purely pve version of cyrodiil in the many buff campaigns. Slightly unrelated; the group finder will put you in groups with members of the enemy factions if you want to pve with them.

Well, the rest of Tamriel doesn't have the facilities to host PVP (no keeps or resources to capture), so I don't think that would work. Allowing players of different factions in the same zone would be cool though, and allowing them to duel each other would be even cooler.

Useless space...eh, I can see your point. I guess maybe add more content into Cyrodiil to make up for it. You know, fill that space? As for buff campaigns, I'm in EP. We're always losing, no matter what campaign I join.

We only just got the orsinium update on console, and I haven't tried the group finder yet. Does it work only in orsinium, or does it work in other zones too?

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

I've thought about the possibility of hiring bodyguards so that my character can visit Cyrodiil and the Imperial City a bit more safely.

In a PVE environment, that wouldn't be necessary. I honestly don't think people should have to go to those lengths purely for the sake of doing your own thing.

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

I've thought about the possibility of hiring bodyguards so that my character can visit Cyrodiil and the Imperial City a bit more safely.

In a PVE environment, that wouldn't be necessary. I honestly don't think people should have to go to those lengths purely for the sake of doing your own thing.

Since when Cyrodiil and the Imperial City are pve?

They're not. I'm saying there should be a separate PVE variant of Cyrodiil.

I can work with this. We can make a trade. If there were a way to enter a solely PvP version of the PVE maps, then we can have a way to enter a purely PVE version of the PvP Maps.

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

I've thought about the possibility of hiring bodyguards so that my character can visit Cyrodiil and the Imperial City a bit more safely.

In a PVE environment, that wouldn't be necessary. I honestly don't think people should have to go to those lengths purely for the sake of doing your own thing.

Since when Cyrodiil and the Imperial City are pve?

When they added things like skyshards, dungeons, fishing, and non-PvP quests all over the map.

Dear wrote: »

Oh gods. As a PVE player, I am NOT looking forward to being REPEATEDLY MURDERED by PVPers as I try to quest in so called "enemy" territory. I don't align myself to any faction. I just want to get to know the people of the world and explore the land and learn the story.

This is going to be *** Aion all over again. I would try to quest, and people would run up and attack me. I always had to put all my stats into being able to run away and heal myself so that I wouldn't have to attack any players... SIGH.

Body guards is a great idea, though. But I feel like that would draw attention to us if there was a more visible group. As one person, I might be able to sneak around better...

Maybe I should start naming my characters things like "Please-no-Kill" and "Just-want-to-Quest" or "Ignore-This-PVE-Player"

Take a friend/guildie to be your bodyguard. Or offer a sum of gold in zone to anyone who can protect you. I would be someone's bodyguard for a few hours for 10k gold or something.

Edit: in all honesty it's not hard to find a campaign where you are very unlikely to encounter enemy players. Haderus EU for example is an AD buff campaign, the whole place is yellow. I went there earlier to duel my brother and I'm pretty sure we were the only ones there.

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Only if they release a purely pvp version of the rest of tamriel. In all seriousness though there would be an awful lot of useless space, and you can already join an almost purely pve version of cyrodiil in the many buff campaigns. Slightly unrelated; the group finder will put you in groups with members of the enemy factions if you want to pve with them.

Well, the rest of Tamriel doesn't have the facilities to host PVP (no keeps or resources to capture), so I don't think that would work. Allowing players of different factions in the same zone would be cool though, and allowing them to duel each other would be even cooler.

Useless space...eh, I can see your point. I guess maybe add more content into Cyrodiil to make up for it. You know, fill that space? As for buff campaigns, I'm in EP. We're always losing, no matter what campaign I join.

We only just got the orsinium update on console, and I haven't tried the group finder yet. Does it work only in orsinium, or does it work in other zones too?

Works for all dungeons. My guild are AD and yesterday we could only get 3 together for the gold daily so my brother (guildie) used the group finder to find a 4th player. The group finder gave us a filthy red healer, but he was a damn good filthy red healer. So good we wanted to use him again for a second run, but we couldn't invite him to the group even though we new his @name. So it seems you can group with enemy faction players only through the group finder, which is a shame and I think zos missed a trick here. It's a step in the right direction though; at least we know it's possible within the game mechanics.

So, it works for dungeons and orsinium but nowhere else? That's something that probably needs changing.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

As much as I hate PvP, I think that providing a "non-PvP-campaign" would be the most boring place in the entire game ever. There's no (or so little) story, there's no (or so boring) landscape, there's no lore, and no quests (PvE quests are dull and the only thing exciting about them is the PvP risk).
Cyrodiil is nothing without PvP.

PVE content exists in Cyrodiil, and what you've described as "exciting" is just an annoyance for most people. If Cyrodiil was to be pure PVP, they should've kept it pure PVP. Completing PVE content in Cyrodiil is a huge pain in the ass due to the boundaries put in place specifically because it's a PVP zone (i.e. you can only respawn in keeps your alliance owns, therefor if your alliance owns none, you getting killed means going literally all of the way back to the start).

You say there's no story, there's no landscape, there's no lore, and no exciting quests, and that's why Cyrodiil would suck as a PVE zone. Honestly, I want to clear the quests purely for the sake of completing them (so I can leave it behind until I'm ready to participate in PVP properly), so that doesn't bother me TOO much.

Nothing much can be done about the landscape, so we'll leave that aside. The other stuff could probably be added in. How's this? In the PVE Cyrodiil, there could be an exclusive questline involving the alliances working together in a temporary truce to regain the Imperial City from the daedra? I know it sounds similar to the final quest in the main storyline, but maybe it could take place around the same time (ESO seems to take place in a Dragon Break, so it would fit lore-wise)?

That'd give ZOS plenty of opportunity to add story, lore, and a ton of quests to what you describe as being "the most boring place in the entire game ever."

What do you think?

Leandor wrote: »

If you want to PvE in Cyrodiil, do this:

• Choose a campaign that even during prime time has only one faction that has more than one bar. It doesn't matter which faction that is.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Find a player that wants to do the same and group up. More than two players are not necessary.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Join said campaign during off hours. The best time is when even the high population campaigns are empty.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Start with the quest area that is furthest away from your home gate. That way, even if you get killed, you can go to one nearby.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Never return to the same quest zone if you got killed. Take a break there and start another one.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Never both talk to a quest giver at the same time. One talks to the NPC, the other stays hidden as far away as his gap closer has range.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Bruma is the worst part, since you always have to enter buildings.

The best advice, though, is: If you don't like PvP, don't PvE in a PvP zone. You really don't need those 9 skillpoints all that much.

The fact that this is necessary in order to do PVE in Cyrodiil is exactly why there needs to be change. If they put PVE content in that zone, it should actually be feasible to accomplish.

With regards to "don't PVE in a PVP zone"...I'm a completionist, so that's out of the question for me. I need to complete all quests in Cyrodiil, gather all skyshards, aquire all lorebooks, and destroy all dark anchors. I might bother with the rest if I get around to it later.

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

If you want to PvE in Cyrodiil, do this:

• Choose a campaign that even during prime time has only one faction that has more than one bar. It doesn't matter which faction that is.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Find a player that wants to do the same and group up. More than two players are not necessary.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Join said campaign during off hours. The best time is when even the high population campaigns are empty.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Start with the quest area that is furthest away from your home gate. That way, even if you get killed, you can go to one nearby.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Never return to the same quest zone if you got killed. Take a break there and start another one.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Never both talk to a quest giver at the same time. One talks to the NPC, the other stays hidden as far away as his gap closer has range.
• Sneak everywhere.
• Bruma is the worst part, since you always have to enter buildings.

The best advice, though, is: If you don't like PvP, don't PvE in a PvP zone. You really don't need those 9 skillpoints all that much.

The fact that this is necessary in order to do PVE in Cyrodiil is exactly why there needs to be change. If they put PVE content in that zone, it should actually be feasible to accomplish.

With regards to "don't PVE in a PVP zone"...I'm a completionist, so that's out of the question for me. I need to complete all quests in Cyrodiil, gather all skyshards, aquire all lorebooks, and destroy all dark anchors. I might bother with the rest if I get around to it later.

Finishing the PvE content in Cyrodiil is easily achievable, it just takes a proper tactic. Same as completing a trial requires a proper tactic. If you are willing to do what is necessary for the second example, why not for Cyrodiil?

If you are a completionist, as you claim, then you would go and find a way to do it instead of complain on the forums.

Instead, you sound like the proverbial entitled kid that can't stand the fact that there is a part of the game you aren't capable of dealing with. As such, I won't give this any more attention.

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

As much as I hate PvP, I think that providing a "non-PvP-campaign" would be the most boring place in the entire game ever. There's no (or so little) story, there's no (or so boring) landscape, there's no lore, and no quests (PvE quests are dull and the only thing exciting about them is the PvP risk).
Cyrodiil is nothing without PvP.

PVE content exists in Cyrodiil, and what you've described as "exciting" is just an annoyance for most people. If Cyrodiil was to be pure PVP, they should've kept it pure PVP. Completing PVE content in Cyrodiil is a huge pain in the ass due to the boundaries put in place specifically because it's a PVP zone (i.e. you can only respawn in keeps your alliance owns, therefor if your alliance owns none, you getting killed means going literally all of the way back to the start).

You say there's no story, there's no landscape, there's no lore, and no exciting quests, and that's why Cyrodiil would suck as a PVE zone. Honestly, I want to clear the quests purely for the sake of completing them (so I can leave it behind until I'm ready to participate in PVP properly), so that doesn't bother me TOO much.

Nothing much can be done about the landscape, so we'll leave that aside. The other stuff could probably be added in. How's this? In the PVE Cyrodiil, there could be an exclusive questline involving the alliances working together in a temporary truce to regain the Imperial City from the daedra? I know it sounds similar to the final quest in the main storyline, but maybe it could take place around the same time (ESO seems to take place in a Dragon Break, so it would fit lore-wise)?

That'd give ZOS plenty of opportunity to add story, lore, and a ton of quests to what you describe as being "the most boring place in the entire game ever."

What do you think?

I think... many things ! And remember I'm a pure PvEer, just like you.

- You say you're a completionist. Fine, but even as a completionist, there are a couple of achievements, namely the PvP ones, that you'll never get. Whatever you think is too tedious or difficult for you, just give up. ZOS doesn't have to make it easier just for your sake...
- You need the skyshards and skillpoints : so do we all. Believe me, they're not hard to get. Sometimes PvP gets in the way, you get ganked... try again, that's all. Follow @Leandor 's advice. You can do it alone, too. I swear that's no problem, if you accept that sometimes unexpected things can occur and that you have to be on your guard.
- The "storyline" you suggest would be contradictory with the main quest line : remember, they couldn't even agree to combine their forces to fight the daedra back then, which is why you had to do all the work with the mages and the fighters' guilds. Why would they agree now ?
- If ZOS has to allocate resources into designing new quests and stuff, I prefer them to do it for new content, not for Cyrodiil'. (I mean, Cyrodiil's "PvE", not PvP's global issues which obviously deserve a lot of attention at the moment).
- I know there are many people here who'd like to separate PvP from PvE completely, but even if I dislike PvP I appreciate the mix of the two and ZOS' efforts to keep it that way.
- Don't tell ME about dragonbreaks (and CHIM and all this stuff)... I consider it as a (cheap) trick to "explain" lore inconsistencies between the games. That's just my vision of things, but I'd prefer them not to come up with even more "dragonbreak'ish" stuff.

EDIT : oh, and I forgot : don't come up with "options don't hurt anyone, those who prefer PvP-Cyrodiil would still have that option". Well no, the option of a pure PvE Cyrodiil would of course change the nature of Cyrodiil for everyone else. Just like the option of non-gated access to IC changed the very nature of the entire IC DLC, unfortunately.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Personally I think there should be a Daedra army roaming the wilds of Cyrodiil going from keep to keep destroying everything in it's path. And they should be at a size where they are considered a serious threat and when they kill you, they take AP away. So if your war party comes across a faction fighting the Daedra onslaught you have a choice gank the enemy for easy AP and risk losing it all when the Daedra attention is set on you or assist the enemy faction.

I that one !! (Not every detail, but in general)
@ZOS_RichLambert , what do you think ?

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