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Eclipse: Templar Dawn's Wrath Skill

EgoRush
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Total Eclipse of the heart? More like totally useless skill.

Does anyone use this as anything more than a gimmick? It used to be pretty okay in PvP because you could spam cast it on multiple people and see shards flying back at casters - great fun. Now it can only be applied to 1 person, the explosion does sub-par damage, the self heal from Total Dark is pitiful (honestly, who thought to give Templars MORE self healing outside of the Restoring Light skill line?!). I preferred when it nerfed the targets spell damage (though if this returned it should nerf weapon damage too imo).

I ask myself often as a Templar enthusiast, what are we missing in terms of class skills? Going from my own opinion and what I read in the forum it is mobility and being able to snare/crowd control (cc). Considering they removed Blinding Flashes and replaced it with an entirely new skill, I'm requesting all who care to vote on whether Eclipse should be eclipsed by a better skill in our Dawn's Wrath skill tree. Perhaps something with mobility, cc-capability, or get Blinding Flashes back in.

Before Stamplars come stampeding their way in here, know that I have love for you too and therefore request any new skill (or a return of Blinding Flashes) has a stamina and magicka morph.

Cast your votes if you care to people! And please feel free to comment with ideas on new skills or other suggestions.

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Edited by EgoRush on November 22, 2015 1:58PM
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Character: Oriantha (Templar Healer), Zelda's Inferno (Dragonknight Tank), The Lumen Sage (Stamina Sorcerer DD), The Umbra Witch (Magicka Nightblade DD), Flirts-With-Boys (Stamina Nightblade DD), Oriantha Ellesidil (Magicka Sorcerer DD/healer), Wariantha (Magicka Warden in the making)

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Eclipse: Templar Dawn's Wrath Skill 47 votes

Keep Eclipse
12%
AkinosTheBullElsirSpacemonkeyLeon119nordickittyhawk 6 votes
Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes
46%
Mujuromyrrrorb14_ESOlolo_01b16_ESOSpringt-Über-Zwergecontact.opiumb16_ESOHowlBunnehImdrefanJa50nXAshamrayKatinasLettigallGunphuRAGUNAnoOneSharmonyAfkNinjamr_wazzabiitsDeejCryhavocLord-Gibson 22 votes
Replace with mobility skill
23%
KalikiSotha_SilstalkerherotimidobservereliisradutchbrownieAlcastRa'ShtarmaxjapankNoMaassPlizZohr 11 votes
Replace with crowd control skill
14%
cote-bmsb16_ESOEejit1331EgoRushReverbMLRPZCatchMeTrollingIl3rotherhood 7 votes
Replace with other
2%
Cinbri 1 vote
  • Imdrefan
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    Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes
    OMFG give me blinding flashes back please!

    All the melee Stam builds in PvP would cry.

    And some aoe cc again in PvE for my tank.

    Please let this happen.
    Drefan - VR14 AD Templar
    Decibel
    Dark Flare to the Face
  • Springt-Über-Zwerge
    Springt-Über-Zwerge
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    Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes
    Blinding flashes would be awesome but wouldnt say no to a mobility buff or aoe cc too
    PC,EU, EP
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  • Baconlad
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    I say keep the skill....but it needs something...only time its useful is if the enemy you're fighting doesn't have any stamina to break cc. It should be able to be applied like DK reflect or shield reflect. All the damn time. Maybe if they made it a blind that you couldn't attack at all with single target abilities, only AOE, make it not cc breakable, and for balance sake give the enemy a buff preventing reuse for ten seconds or so.would be cool if they made it so that it blacked out your screen too! Real blind
  • timidobserver
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    Replace with mobility skill
    Healing RItual and Eclipse are my two skills that should be deleted and replaced.

    I am pretty sure blinding flashes isn't coming back, so I marked mobility skill.
    Edited by timidobserver on November 23, 2015 12:07AM
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  • EgoRush
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    Replace with crowd control skill
    I actually struggled to pick between mobility/cc/blinding flashes. And you're right, @timidobserver, Healing Ritual is another dire skill in need of some love. I use it occasionally in PvP for healing large bomb groups that stack constantly, but it still just feels like an inferior Breath of Life.
    Server: EU Pact
    Guild: Hodor (PvE - www.hodor-guild.eu), Chimaira (PvE)
    Character: Oriantha (Templar Healer), Zelda's Inferno (Dragonknight Tank), The Lumen Sage (Stamina Sorcerer DD), The Umbra Witch (Magicka Nightblade DD), Flirts-With-Boys (Stamina Nightblade DD), Oriantha Ellesidil (Magicka Sorcerer DD/healer), Wariantha (Magicka Warden in the making)

    Current vMA score (Templar): Pending return to game
    World Record for all trials pre-Thieves Guild
    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj clear
    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj speed run clear
    Returning to the game for Morrowind
  • Elsir
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    Keep Eclipse
    I guess I'm in the minority with this but I feel it works pretty okay. My only gripe with it is the fact that it's hard to tell from a distance whether the target you wish to place it on is already immune to CC having broken something already so in the heat of a battle, I may find myself trying to spam it in case I miss my next opportunity and end up sacrificing precious milliseconds.
    Anna (AKA: Elsir)
    Templar
  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes
    Blinding Flashes <3
  • Ashamray
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    Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes
    Flashes! Flashes! Вспышка! Вспышка!
    Boadrig, EU PC

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  • Imdrefan
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    Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes
    Elsir wrote: »
    I guess I'm in the minority with this but I feel it works pretty okay. My only gripe with it is the fact that it's hard to tell from a distance whether the target you wish to place it on is already immune to CC having broken something already so in the heat of a battle, I may find myself trying to spam it in case I miss my next opportunity and end up sacrificing precious milliseconds.

    I do use it in PvP sometimes and you will get a message at the top (right?) of your screen saying target immune, and that will tell you if they recently did a CC break.
    Drefan - VR14 AD Templar
    Decibel
    Dark Flare to the Face
  • EgoRush
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    Replace with crowd control skill
    Elsir wrote: »
    I guess I'm in the minority with this but I feel it works pretty okay. My only gripe with it is the fact that it's hard to tell from a distance whether the target you wish to place it on is already immune to CC having broken something already so in the heat of a battle, I may find myself trying to spam it in case I miss my next opportunity and end up sacrificing precious milliseconds.

    Do you think Eclipse is effective as it is now or could do with a bit of a buff? Perhaps I should've included an option for keeping Eclipse but reworking it a bit. I don't understand why they changed it to only affect 1 person at a time - was this EVER complained about in the forums for a nerf? I've never seen anyone complain that Eclipse, of all skills, needed a nerf, so the change really came out of the blue for me. I'd be content to keep Eclipse if they returned it to being spammable on multiple targets.
    Server: EU Pact
    Guild: Hodor (PvE - www.hodor-guild.eu), Chimaira (PvE)
    Character: Oriantha (Templar Healer), Zelda's Inferno (Dragonknight Tank), The Lumen Sage (Stamina Sorcerer DD), The Umbra Witch (Magicka Nightblade DD), Flirts-With-Boys (Stamina Nightblade DD), Oriantha Ellesidil (Magicka Sorcerer DD/healer), Wariantha (Magicka Warden in the making)

    Current vMA score (Templar): Pending return to game
    World Record for all trials pre-Thieves Guild
    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj clear
    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj speed run clear
    Returning to the game for Morrowind
  • Imdrefan
    Imdrefan
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    Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes
    EgoRush wrote: »
    Elsir wrote: »
    I guess I'm in the minority with this but I feel it works pretty okay. My only gripe with it is the fact that it's hard to tell from a distance whether the target you wish to place it on is already immune to CC having broken something already so in the heat of a battle, I may find myself trying to spam it in case I miss my next opportunity and end up sacrificing precious milliseconds.

    Do you think Eclipse is effective as it is now or could do with a bit of a buff? Perhaps I should've included an option for keeping Eclipse but reworking it a bit. I don't understand why they changed it to only affect 1 person at a time - was this EVER complained about in the forums for a nerf? I've never seen anyone complain that Eclipse, of all skills, needed a nerf, so the change really came out of the blue for me. I'd be content to keep Eclipse if they returned it to being spammable on multiple targets.

    I think it could use a buff maybe increasing damge of reflected spells similar to dk wings, if it remains only able to cast on one target.

    It has a really high magicka cost, so I don't see the problem with it being spammable. In PvP you just CC break and wait it out.

    It will never happen, because of the off balance damage bonus in the champion system, but I really want blinding flashes back.
    Edited by Imdrefan on November 23, 2015 1:23PM
    Drefan - VR14 AD Templar
    Decibel
    Dark Flare to the Face
  • Elsir
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    Keep Eclipse
    Imdrefan wrote: »
    I do use it in PvP sometimes and you will get a message at the top (right?) of your screen saying target immune, and that will tell you if they recently did a CC break.

    Oh yes, I do see the message, but I find myself spamming it so I don't miss my chance that once their CC immunity has worn off, I can put my eclipse on them before they maybe take an immovable potion or stealth out or some such thing that would otherwise stop me from placing my eclipse on them.
    EgoRush wrote: »
    Do you think Eclipse is effective as it is now or could do with a bit of a buff? Perhaps I should've included an option for keeping Eclipse but reworking it a bit. I don't understand why they changed it to only affect 1 person at a time - was this EVER complained about in the forums for a nerf? I've never seen anyone complain that Eclipse, of all skills, needed a nerf, so the change really came out of the blue for me. I'd be content to keep Eclipse if they returned it to being spammable on multiple targets.

    Is it effective? No, I don't think it is. But it's doing enough for adaptable purposes. EG: Eclipse an annoying mage guard while I puncturing sweep a group of melee guards down. Often this is JUST enough to say it's not useless, but I can't say it's the best thing in the world or hold it above the alternate suggestion of Blinding Light. It's the skill I would change out if I needed Rapid Manoeuvres or something else temporary.

    I'm not sure why they changed it either. Perhaps a cap of 3 targets, but 1 was definitely a HUGE change in respect to how the skill used to work. Considering how many stamina builds are out there, even magicka users are able to break out of a lot more these days, I never thought the way it was could be considered "broken" or in need of a nerf so I didn't expect it either. I thought they accidentally(™) broke it before I read the change was in fact intended.

    I guess what I'm getting at is, I don't find it useless. Though, I don't think it's amazing either. I didn't think it needed nerfing from what it used to work as.
    I would not be heart broken to see it replaced, would be impressed if they unnerfed it, would be happy enough if they buffed it a little, but wouldn't be displeased if it remained the same. My vote went for "remain the same" because of that. If it didn't change, I wouldn't mind.
    Edited by Elsir on November 23, 2015 1:28PM
    Anna (AKA: Elsir)
    Templar
  • CatchMeTrolling
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    Replace with crowd control skill
    Need a great hard cc that'll make people think twice about rushing us, we're meant to stand our ground but can't always do that in the way we should. Especially when we're usually the target to take out first.
  • eliisra
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    Replace with mobility skill
    Dont think there's much point in dreaming about Blinding Flashes.

    ZoS wants templars to have a lot of situational skills. Blinding Flashes used to be just that, since most guys prior to 1.6 used staff or bow.

    But today, Blinding Flashes would no longer be situational. It would be really good. Half the population plays stamblades or spams Wrecking Blow. With Blazing Shield turned into uselessness, that skill would save your butt. So no way in hell it's coming back.

    Give me mobility buff. Remove Healing Ritual, Eclipse or both.

    Eclipse was okay when you could use it on multiple targets. But now it's a weak single target debuff. Only shuts down offensive abilities. Eclipsed targets can still heal, shield and use utility like Purge that conveniently removes Eclipse, if you feel like saving stamina.
  • Joy_Division
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    Umm...

    I just want my old Eclipse back when it was actually one of the few decent Templar skills. So, no, replace it with nothing.

    That being said, I do want blinding flashes back - replace it with the other trash in our skill-lines: backlash, healing ritual, sun shield, etc.

    Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.
  • EgoRush
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    Replace with crowd control skill
    Umm...

    I just want my old Eclipse back when it was actually one of the few decent Templar skills. So, no, replace it with nothing.

    That being said, I do want blinding flashes back - replace it with the other trash in our skill-lines: backlash, healing ritual, sun shield, etc.

    Backlash is great for PvE, so I wouldn't want to see that go. Healing Ritual is useless for both PvE and PvP pretty much, so I'd say that would please more of a majority. Sun Shield was nerfed too hard even before Battle Spirit came in and made the shield completely useless. It needs a damage buff or to scale off our largest stat (magicka/stamina).

    What about the Javelin? Thrown with god-like strength to tickle enemies. I could consider keeping Eclipse but returning it to being spammable on multiple targets, then get Blinding Flashes in over that Javelin or Healing Ritual. Perhaps the Blinding Flashes morph that damages enemies could be turned into a HoT instead if it was moved to the healing tree of Templar abilities.

    I feel like I'm starting to ask for too much and over-complicating this thread now ha.
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    Current vMA score (Templar): Pending return to game
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    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj clear
    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj speed run clear
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  • MissBizz
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    I just want it to be able to be cast on more than one player/NPC again... this skill saved my butt SO many times when I was soloing public dungeons I shouldn't have been soloing...
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  • myrrrorb14_ESO
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    Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes
    Love Blinding Flashes. A nice cc would be cool too though.

    Don't get rid of my Healing ritual! I spam the heck out of that skill. Keeps everyone alive in range :smiley:
  • TheBull
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    Keep Eclipse
    Um Total dark is freaking awesome. It's one of the most powerful skills in the game for pvp. It's a complete shut down of all caster offensive magic, plus it heals you!

    Get rid of the stupid skill that stores your dmg then releases it.
    Edited by TheBull on November 23, 2015 3:38PM
  • EgoRush
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    Replace with crowd control skill
    TheBull wrote: »
    Um Total dark is freaking awesome. It's one of the most powerful skills in the game for pvp. It's a complete shut down of all caster offensive magic, plus it heals you!

    Get rid of the stupid skill that stores your dmg then releases it.

    I used to feel the same way and I've even tested Total Dark in vMA to shut down mages and get extra healing, but even they just break free of it and continue as if nothing happened. Compare it to the DK reflective scales ability: Eclipse costs more, can be broken out of or purged, only affects the target rather than reflecting everything from you, does not reflect arrows/flying blades. It is a worse version in almost every way.
    Server: EU Pact
    Guild: Hodor (PvE - www.hodor-guild.eu), Chimaira (PvE)
    Character: Oriantha (Templar Healer), Zelda's Inferno (Dragonknight Tank), The Lumen Sage (Stamina Sorcerer DD), The Umbra Witch (Magicka Nightblade DD), Flirts-With-Boys (Stamina Nightblade DD), Oriantha Ellesidil (Magicka Sorcerer DD/healer), Wariantha (Magicka Warden in the making)

    Current vMA score (Templar): Pending return to game
    World Record for all trials pre-Thieves Guild
    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj clear
    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj speed run clear
    Returning to the game for Morrowind
  • Imdrefan
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    Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes
    TheBull wrote: »
    Um Total dark is freaking awesome. It's one of the most powerful skills in the game for pvp. It's a complete shut down of all caster offensive magic, plus it heals you!

    Get rid of the stupid skill that stores your dmg then releases it.

    If you time your cast really well, it can be great but good PvPers are spamming CC break the second they see the telegraphed cast.
    Drefan - VR14 AD Templar
    Decibel
    Dark Flare to the Face
  • Jura23
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    I don't care about this skill at all. I think Defensive stance, which I use, is much better reflect. 6 seconds against single specific enemy is just useless.

    There's lot of suggestions, but not really anything I like so much. For example I don't care about about mobility. There's rapids + if they ever fix Toppling Charge that would also help a lot. I think they should focus on fixing current skills.
    Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU
  • Jura23
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    I like the idea that somebody brought up recently in soem templar thread - that more skills should be like Solar Flare - have 2 very different and both useful morphs. I feel the same way. Would be great strategy for future updates.
    Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU
  • EgoRush
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    Replace with crowd control skill
    Jura23 wrote: »
    I don't care about this skill at all. I think Defensive stance, which I use, is much better reflect. 6 seconds against single specific enemy is just useless.

    There's lot of suggestions, but not really anything I like so much. For example I don't care about about mobility. There's rapids + if they ever fix Toppling Charge that would also help a lot. I think they should focus on fixing current skills.

    That's why I added an option to vote for "replace with other" so people can vote there and maybe add in a suggestion that hasn't been voiced yet, if they have one. Agreed on fixing current skills (Toppling is still broken and can trap you in the animation, plus a delay on follow-up skills), but there are other threads for that.
    Server: EU Pact
    Guild: Hodor (PvE - www.hodor-guild.eu), Chimaira (PvE)
    Character: Oriantha (Templar Healer), Zelda's Inferno (Dragonknight Tank), The Lumen Sage (Stamina Sorcerer DD), The Umbra Witch (Magicka Nightblade DD), Flirts-With-Boys (Stamina Nightblade DD), Oriantha Ellesidil (Magicka Sorcerer DD/healer), Wariantha (Magicka Warden in the making)

    Current vMA score (Templar): Pending return to game
    World Record for all trials pre-Thieves Guild
    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj clear
    World first V16 Maw of Lorkhaj speed run clear
    Returning to the game for Morrowind
  • Jura23
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    EgoRush wrote: »
    Jura23 wrote: »
    I don't care about this skill at all. I think Defensive stance, which I use, is much better reflect. 6 seconds against single specific enemy is just useless.

    There's lot of suggestions, but not really anything I like so much. For example I don't care about about mobility. There's rapids + if they ever fix Toppling Charge that would also help a lot. I think they should focus on fixing current skills.

    That's why I added an option to vote for "replace with other" so people can vote there and maybe add in a suggestion that hasn't been voiced yet, if they have one. Agreed on fixing current skills (Toppling is still broken and can trap you in the animation, plus a delay on follow-up skills), but there are other threads for that.

    Yeah I didn't mean your poll, I meant the discussion itself.
    Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU
  • Joy_Division
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    EgoRush wrote: »
    Umm...

    I just want my old Eclipse back when it was actually one of the few decent Templar skills. So, no, replace it with nothing.

    That being said, I do want blinding flashes back - replace it with the other trash in our skill-lines: backlash, healing ritual, sun shield, etc.

    Backlash is great for PvE, so I wouldn't want to see that go. Healing Ritual is useless for both PvE and PvP pretty much, so I'd say that would please more of a majority. Sun Shield was nerfed too hard even before Battle Spirit came in and made the shield completely useless. It needs a damage buff or to scale off our largest stat (magicka/stamina).

    What about the Javelin? Thrown with god-like strength to tickle enemies. I could consider keeping Eclipse but returning it to being spammable on multiple targets, then get Blinding Flashes in over that Javelin or Healing Ritual. Perhaps the Blinding Flashes morph that damages enemies could be turned into a HoT instead if it was moved to the healing tree of Templar abilities.

    I feel like I'm starting to ask for too much and over-complicating this thread now ha.

    Backlash use to be OK for PVE but with the amount of spell damage and magicka we have, that capped damage number isn't worth the effort to chase.

    Javelin is another underwhelming templar skill I'd trade for blinding flashes.
    Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.
  • AfkNinja
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    Swap Eclipse for Blinding Flashes

    Backlash use to be OK for PVE but with the amount of spell damage and magicka we have, that capped damage number isn't worth the effort to chase.

    Javelin is another underwhelming templar skill I'd trade for blinding flashes.

    I agree backlash is very lackluster due to that dmg cap however I personally love Binding Javelin and would be very sad to see it go. I'd rather they just add Major Fracture to Binding Javelin so it has a clearly defined use, ST CC and Fracture.
  • Cinbri
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    Replace with other
    Replace it with AOE crowd control, not single target.
  • cote-bmsb16_ESO
    cote-bmsb16_ESO
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    Replace with crowd control skill
    Gime some cc.. Or give eclipse more bubbles. Everyone gets a bubble.
  • Khaos_Bane
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    A lot of Templar skills need to be re-done, and this is certainly one of them.
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