Cannot Complete 'Long Live The King' (Orsinium MQ)

Zilch · November 2015

McSwaggins wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Please not another post about this. Please just look up other people who have made this post, come to the conclusion that it is absolutely ridiculous to be able to do anything you want with a 77 million gold bounty. You wouldn't expect someone on the FBI's top ten wanted criminals to be able to walk through new york city, go order a pizza or something without being noticed.

Stop making real life analogies when you're refering to a game. Don't be that guy.

Okay, I can't *** money in real life, does this mean I should be able to in game? No! Don't be the guy that thinks there is no realism in the game

You're playing a virtual game in a fantasy world and you're clawing on to the little bit of realism in the game there is for you? Jeez. News flash: If you die in real life, it's permanent. How about we implement that in the game? There's realism for you.

McSwaggins · November 2015

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Please not another post about this. Please just look up other people who have made this post, come to the conclusion that it is absolutely ridiculous to be able to do anything you want with a 77 million gold bounty. You wouldn't expect someone on the FBI's top ten wanted criminals to be able to walk through new york city, go order a pizza or something without being noticed.

Stop making real life analogies when you're refering to a game. Don't be that guy.

Okay, I can't *** money in real life, does this mean I should be able to in game? No! Don't be the guy that thinks there is no realism in the game

You're playing a virtual game in a fantasy world and you're clawing on to the little bit of realism in the game there is for you? Jeez. News flash: If you die in real life, it's permanent. How about we implement that in the game? There's realism for you.

So you really want to play this card? Obviously in a game, there needs to be realism, but everything isn't going to be as real as it is in the real world. But that still doesn't mean that there should be no consequences for killing a bunch of innocents! Jesus, even in a game where you basically will always kill innocents like GTA V, there is still consequences for those actions. Asking to be able to kill innocents left, right and centre, and not be punished for your actions, is absolutely ridiculous!

Zilch · November 2015

McSwaggins wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Please not another post about this. Please just look up other people who have made this post, come to the conclusion that it is absolutely ridiculous to be able to do anything you want with a 77 million gold bounty. You wouldn't expect someone on the FBI's top ten wanted criminals to be able to walk through new york city, go order a pizza or something without being noticed.

Stop making real life analogies when you're refering to a game. Don't be that guy.

Okay, I can't *** money in real life, does this mean I should be able to in game? No! Don't be the guy that thinks there is no realism in the game

You're playing a virtual game in a fantasy world and you're clawing on to the little bit of realism in the game there is for you? Jeez. News flash: If you die in real life, it's permanent. How about we implement that in the game? There's realism for you.

So you really want to play this card? Obviously in a game, there needs to be realism, but everything isn't going to be as real as it is in the real world. But that still doesn't mean that there should be no consequences for killing a bunch of innocents! Jesus, even in a game where you basically will always kill innocents like GTA V, there is still consequences for those actions. Asking to be able to kill innocents left, right and centre, and not be punished for your actions, is absolutely ridiculous!

I agree that it needs realism. But you need to know where to draw the line.
In GTA, you get stars and if you end up dying, you're basicly free to roam around again.
Bad analogy since there isn't any real punishment in GTA. Why would there be? It's a game.

In this game, you have several NPCs not willing to talk to you and guards wanting to kill you on sight, which is fair, you've commited a crime, there's the punishment and realism you're grasping for.
But when you're unable to progress in the game, due to the "realism"-card so many of you are so keen on to berattle, that's where the line needs to be drawn.

Caligamy_ESO · November 2015

Whats with all these people lately that think they're playing GTA?

Volkodav · November 2015

Yeah,but if the OP is going for that bounty achievement,he wont get it if he lets the guards kill him.You'll only need to do it once though and you'll be cleared of all bounty.If he isnt going for that achievement,I cant think why he would let himself get that much bounty to begin with!

McSwaggins · November 2015

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Please not another post about this. Please just look up other people who have made this post, come to the conclusion that it is absolutely ridiculous to be able to do anything you want with a 77 million gold bounty. You wouldn't expect someone on the FBI's top ten wanted criminals to be able to walk through new york city, go order a pizza or something without being noticed.

Stop making real life analogies when you're refering to a game. Don't be that guy.

Okay, I can't *** money in real life, does this mean I should be able to in game? No! Don't be the guy that thinks there is no realism in the game

You're playing a virtual game in a fantasy world and you're clawing on to the little bit of realism in the game there is for you? Jeez. News flash: If you die in real life, it's permanent. How about we implement that in the game? There's realism for you.

So you really want to play this card? Obviously in a game, there needs to be realism, but everything isn't going to be as real as it is in the real world. But that still doesn't mean that there should be no consequences for killing a bunch of innocents! Jesus, even in a game where you basically will always kill innocents like GTA V, there is still consequences for those actions. Asking to be able to kill innocents left, right and centre, and not be punished for your actions, is absolutely ridiculous!

I agree that it needs realism. But you need to know where to draw the line. In GTA, you get stars and if you end up dying, you're basicly free to roam around again. Bad analogy cause there isn't no real punishment in GTA. Why would there be? It's a game.

In this game, you have several NPCs not willing to talk to you and guards wanting to kill you on sight, which is fair, you've commited a crime, there's the punishment and realism you're grasping for.
But when you're unable to progress in the game, due to the "realism"-card so many of you are so keen on to berattle, that's where the line needs to be drawn.

There is a real punishment, you even stated the punishment in your comment. The punishment is you gets stars, and the police come after you. You don't always die, you can run away and hide, and wait for the police to forget about you, and you can continue the game. That is basically what the OP needs to do. They have acquired a high bounty, so they must wait for that bounty to go away before they can continue. The games have the exact same punishment, except this bounty would be like having 4 million stars instead of just 5.

Xantaria · November 2015

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

At one point in this quest you are supposed to buy the King's favourite Ale.

Apparently I do have almost 77 million of bounty and the vendor of said Ale does not want to talk to me making it impossible for me to complete the quest.

I can not longer advance in Orsinium and can not finish the Mainquest of content I paid for!

As an outlaw you can still talk to Quest-NPCs of any kind. Just vendors do not want to talk to you anymore. When I made the decision to be an outlaw that meant that I was still able to complete pretty much every quest in the game. That this changed and I can't complete Orsinium at all is not acceptable. There needs to be a away around this vendor.

So... you've gone this long without realizing that you can't talk to Vendors with a bounty? And... what also is surprising, is that you have plenty of quests where you talk to Vendors, Bankers, Guards... how are you so clueless?

Edit: Also... it doesn't matter if you paid for the content, you are the reason you can't complete the quest. This is not an error on ZOS. It's on you. That statement is irrelevant.

Completely Wrong. If you ahve to talk to someone for a quest it's always NOT a vendor but a person next to a vendor or the extra person in the bank when talking to some banker is the task. It's made in a way that allows us to paly how we want. Just not in Orsinium.

Xantaria · November 2015

Dear wrote: »

When I was in beta I was so happy to run around and talk to NPCs.
I was talking to a farmer who had all his little happy sheep around.
Another player walked up and started massacring all the poor sheep.
I was so shocked I didn't do anything but stare at the screen for a while.
(I admit I screamed WHHYYYY at the player through the screen, though.)
I haven't seen someone murder an NPC yet, but I don't look forward to that.

The fact that the Justice System seems to be giving sheepslayers more repercussions makes me so happy. I am just smiling now.

never even killed a single sheep but OK you must be a very justice driven person.

I wonder if you can differentiate between a game and the real world.

THUMBS UP!

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Xantaria · November 2015

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Please not another post about this. Please just look up other people who have made this post, come to the conclusion that it is absolutely ridiculous to be able to do anything you want with a 77 million gold bounty. You wouldn't expect someone on the FBI's top ten wanted criminals to be able to walk through new york city, go order a pizza or something without being noticed.

Stop making real life analogies when you're refering to a game. Don't be that guy.

OP, maybe you can buy the drink on another character and transfer it to your criminal through banking, until this bug is fixed.

I tried, but the vendor does not sell it to a character that does not have the quest, and even If I would do all of orsinium again on a meaningless alt I doubt I would be able to transfer that into my bank as it will most likely be a quest item.

Xantaria · November 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah,but if the OP is going for that bounty achievement,he wont get it if he lets the guards kill him.You'll only need to do it once though and you'll be cleared of all bounty.If he isnt going for that achievement,I cant think why he would let himself get that much bounty to begin with!

wrong. you NEVER loose your bounty when youa re killed. The guards just take all the money you have and try to pay your bounty with that. But I don't have 77 million nor would I run around with that amount to get my bounty cleared.

Xantaria · November 2015

And guys listen again:

You CAN talk to ANY NPC that has a quest. NO matter if it is a Vendor or not. Got it?

You can NOT talk to THIS specific vendor in Orsinium that is needed for this quest!
And this is the issue here. And it's a BUG.

usmcjdking · November 2015

rofl

Zilch · November 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Please not another post about this. Please just look up other people who have made this post, come to the conclusion that it is absolutely ridiculous to be able to do anything you want with a 77 million gold bounty. You wouldn't expect someone on the FBI's top ten wanted criminals to be able to walk through new york city, go order a pizza or something without being noticed.

Stop making real life analogies when you're refering to a game. Don't be that guy.

OP, maybe you can buy the drink on another character and transfer it to your criminal through banking, until this bug is fixed.

I tried, but the vendor does not sell it to a character that does not have the quest, and even If I would do all of orsinium again on a meaningless alt I doubt I would be able to transfer that into my bank as it will most likely be a quest item.

Oh okay. Hope the bug gets fixed.

Xantaria · November 2015

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Please not another post about this. Please just look up other people who have made this post, come to the conclusion that it is absolutely ridiculous to be able to do anything you want with a 77 million gold bounty. You wouldn't expect someone on the FBI's top ten wanted criminals to be able to walk through new york city, go order a pizza or something without being noticed.

Stop making real life analogies when you're refering to a game. Don't be that guy.

Okay, I can't *** money in real life, does this mean I should be able to in game? No! Don't be the guy that thinks there is no realism in the game

You're playing a virtual game in a fantasy world and you're clawing on to the little bit of realism in the game there is for you? Jeez. News flash: If you die in real life, it's permanent. How about we implement that in the game? There's realism for you.

So you really want to play this card? Obviously in a game, there needs to be realism, but everything isn't going to be as real as it is in the real world. But that still doesn't mean that there should be no consequences for killing a bunch of innocents! Jesus, even in a game where you basically will always kill innocents like GTA V, there is still consequences for those actions. Asking to be able to kill innocents left, right and centre, and not be punished for your actions, is absolutely ridiculous!

I agree that it needs realism. But you need to know where to draw the line.
In GTA, you get stars and if you end up dying, you're basicly free to roam around again.
Bad analogy since there isn't any real punishment in GTA. Why would there be? It's a game.

In this game, you have several NPCs not willing to talk to you and guards wanting to kill you on sight, which is fair, you've commited a crime, there's the punishment and realism you're grasping for.
But when you're unable to progress in the game, due to the "realism"-card so many of you are so keen on to berattle, that's where the line needs to be drawn.

Exactly. And that's where it has been drawn by Zenimax in the past. Just not in Orsinium.

willymchilybily · November 2015

@Xantaria

I 100% agree with you. you're not alone

They have a justice system in place (guards and so forth, limitation to vendor options) already making being an outlaw a challenge. Tying a quest in this way to vendor item that cant be received if you have a bounty is ridiculous. and i cant believe intentional. they have never before prevented quest progression for being an outlaw

And for the people saying words to the effect of you did the crime do the time......really? you really care enough about something that doesn't effect you so much you take the moral high ground in this fantasy realm where you are supposed to be able to play how you like....why not go be of use saving valaste and being a goody two shoes, rather than judging a playstyle.

Volkodav · November 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Dear wrote: »

When I was in beta I was so happy to run around and talk to NPCs.
I was talking to a farmer who had all his little happy sheep around.
Another player walked up and started massacring all the poor sheep.
I was so shocked I didn't do anything but stare at the screen for a while.
(I admit I screamed WHHYYYY at the player through the screen, though.)
I haven't seen someone murder an NPC yet, but I don't look forward to that.

The fact that the Justice System seems to be giving sheepslayers more repercussions makes me so happy. I am just smiling now.

never even killed a single sheep but OK you must be a very justice driven person.

I wonder if you can differentiate between a game and the real world.

THUMBS UP!

There's an achievement for killing different animals,including sheep.One for killing an Ox,or a bull.And one for Murderer.Even one for Mass Murderer. Maybe that sheep killer was working on his or her achievements then.

I_killed_Vivec · November 2015

I was surprised when "justice" was introduced that NPCs would talk to me when I had a bounty on my head.

I still think it's weird that bankers will deal with me when I have a bounty and stolen goods on me.

laksikus · November 2015

found1779 wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

At one point in this quest you are supposed to buy the King's favourite Ale.

Apparently I do have almost 77 million of bounty and the vendor of said Ale does not want to talk to me making it impossible for me to complete the quest.

I can not longer advance in Orsinium and can not finish the Mainquest of content I paid for!

As an outlaw you can still talk to Quest-NPCs of any kind. Just vendors do not want to talk to you anymore. When I made the decision to be an outlaw that meant that I was still able to complete pretty much every quest in the game. That this changed and I can't complete Orsinium at all is not acceptable. There needs to be a away around this vendor.

send me all your gear before you rage quit.

well, its not ZOS fault, its your own.
i dont even know what id have to do to get a bounty that high.

but its clear that you did it on purpose. i would rather say ZOS has to fix all other quests (inlcuding bas game quests), as you shouldnt be able to do quests for the highest legal authorities (Knings and Queens, as well as Mage and Fighters guild) in tamriel with a bounty that high.

You can complete other quest with a bounty just not this one me showing i completed a quest in riften where you have to talk to a blacksmith to complete it even with a bounty a bounty is not intended to stop players from completing a quest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocay1fgpsRM

but a bounty should be entended to stop players from doing certain things.
Why the hell should a king give a world saving quest to an outlaw that has several million bounty?
ZOS should jsut change all quests that allowed completing before to no completion with that high bounty.

And if you talk about realism, you dont have to go that far to GTA.
You can go to TES 3 Morrowind, where you could screw up mainquest if you killed an essential npc, or could be banished from all guilds.

LadyNalcarya · November 2015

McSwaggins wrote: »

Jesus, even in a game where you basically will always kill innocents like GTA V, there is still consequences for those actions.

This ^
And btw, this is why we need player enforcer system.

So players with high bounty could "clear" their chars.

laksikus wrote: »

Why the hell should a king give a world saving quest to an outlaw that has several million bounty?
ZOS should jsut change all quests that allowed completing before to no completion with that high bounty.

And this
I think that rewards from killing/stealing might be increased, but being an infamous criminal should block some quests and city vendors (if the bounty is really high). So there would be some kind of risk/reward system.

Kas · November 2015

imho they should just make it possible to alternatively steal the drink somewhere/somehow.

myrrrorb14_ESO · November 2015

Grats on the bounty!

Part of the appeal of the Justice system is to become a criminal. It allows you to be a master thief or cold blooded killer. It adds the in game consequences of not being able to buy things from law abiding citizens though. This too is part of the Justice system and it makes sense.

That being said they should have a workaround for criminals. Being able to steal items (including quest items) from vendors. This would make it challenging and more in line with your particular disposition.

Until they impliment something, you are scrooged. Sorry man, but we don't serve your kind here

Nifty2g · November 2015

You deserve this for playing on console

NeillMcAttack · November 2015

People seem to think that when the justice system was introduced that ZOS didn't think that maybe people might end up with bounties too high to clear and so would not be able to progress through quests. Except they DID. Which is why this is the first time this problem has risen. It's clearly a bug (more of an oversight really). And that is all there is to it.

Would love an official word on this.

Artjuh90 · November 2015

do the crime pay the time

JD2013 · November 2015

There is no bug. If it were a bug, I would feel some sympathy for the OP.

Killing lots of NPC's and stealing stuff from the very vendor that you need to interact with is his choice and nobody else's choice.

laksikus · November 2015

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

People seem to think that when the justice system was introduced that ZOS didn't think that maybe people might end up with bounties too high to clear and so would not be able to progress through quests. Except they DID. Which is why this is the first time this problem has risen. It's clearly a bug (more of an oversight really). And that is all there is to it.

Would love an official word on this.

if you get a bounty that high its not ZOS fault, its yourselfs.
i dont know why ZOS should fix this as it aint rly a bug.

its nearly the same as if he would say i cant walk past a guard cos my bounty is too high

NeillMcAttack · November 2015

If it is the case and the system is working as intended then are the other NPC's that allow interaction as part of quests bugged. It has to be one or the other right??!!

myrrrorb14_ESO · November 2015

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

If it is the case and the system is working as intended then are the other NPC's that allow interaction as part of quests bugged. It has to be one or the other right??!!

Yep. I would assume that the other quests are bugged, but you never know. I guess that support contacted the OP (or maybe it was someone else with the same problem) and said to pay off the bounty...

But it would be nice if a dev would chime in on whether it is intended or not.

WandaMey · November 2015

That makes perfect sense... you're a merchant, you recognize a guy with a 77 million gold bounty so you refuse to sell him booze and tell him to get lost. Not like the guy could kill you or steal it or compell you to get it for free.

Only one explanation, the vendor drank it before you came. Maybe he shared with the designers.

Enodoc · November 2015

While I disagree with the stance ZOS have taken with regards to NPC interaction and bounties, it still seems to be the case that, under the current iteration of the Justice System, having a high bounty does not impede quest progress. Therefore the issue the OP is facing is technically a bug.