Templar Ultimates are lame (PVP)
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✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Karamis_Vimardon✭✭✭✭Having mained Templar since Beta, I can tell you this thread is spot on. Nova is "okay" in xVx scenarios but only in specific situations where it's difficult to dodge roll out of (I.E. choke points) AND if someone happens to synergise it. Sweep is a joke and Remembrance just says "Ignore me for 4-6 seconds then concentrate on me!", the fact that you're stationary makes it extra unappealing.
I don't even bother using them in PvE except trials. I can pop a barrier and BoL everyone to full health in less time than Remembrance. Mathematically the damage morph of Sweep provides better sustained DPS than meteor (Without factoring in burning light procs) when aimed correctly and staying in proximity. Nova in PvE....trials.
For the moment PvP ults are Bats/Barrier by default. Meteor/Nova or Dawnbreaker/Nova upon request.PC NA
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Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
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Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.PC NA
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✭markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.
Barrier is rank 6 Support skill. Not every body has it. And because of Light Weaver channeling Rite of Passage puts you pretty much on resistance hard cap every time so you don't need mobility if you position properly.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU1 -
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✭markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.
You keep missing the point, some fights can drag on a lot longer than any build is made for, sure barrier and healing springs or BoL can be just effective, they do however require you have plenty of resources left in your magic pool to use them, thats where the Ulti is good, when s**ts gone real pear shaped, you're out of resources and your group is on the verge of wiping. Hit the Ulti, magica recovers, group stays alive.....Edited by SirDopey on November 16, 2015 1:18AMNA PC | AD
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Except for this:markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.
and this:markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.
Barrier is rank 6 Support skill. Not every body has it. And because of Light Weaver channeling Rite of Passage puts you pretty much on resistance hard cap every time so you don't need mobility if you position properly.markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.
You keep missing the point, some fights can drag on a lot longer than any build is made for, sure barrier and healing springs or BoL can be just effective, they do however require you have plenty of resources left in your magic pool to use them, thats where the Ulti is good, when s**ts gone real pear shaped, you're out of resources and your group is on the verge of wiping. Hit the Ulti, magica recovers, group stays alive.....
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✭I like rite of passage. I use it in pvp to give myself a few extra seconds of regen when I low and getting hammered. I also use it to keep raid up in heavy damage phases. Cool thing about it its so cheap you can use it more than once a minute0 -
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✭Same thing with sweep, I love that skill as dps OR tank, might not be the best ultimate, but it comes cheap, and is able to be used as a sustained dps skill. I think it would be fantastic if they upped the ult cost to about 100 and added and aoe root/ stun /knock back.0 -
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✭Same thing with sweep, I love that skill as dps OR tank, might not be the best ultimate, but it comes cheap, and is able to be used as a sustained dps skill. I think it would be fantastic if they upped the ult cost to about 100 and added and aoe root/ stun /knock back.
Though I have to agree with some posters here that it's inferior to Dawnbreaker. It really depends if you have some other Aedric Spear ability on your bar or not. If not, it's probably beneficial to go for Sweep for those tree passives, but... if you are melee, chances are that you probably have already some other ability from that tree slotted.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU0 -
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✭markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.
You keep missing the point, some fights can drag on a lot longer than any build is made for, sure barrier and healing springs or BoL can be just effective, they do however require you have plenty of resources left in your magic pool to use them, thats where the Ulti is good, when s**ts gone real pear shaped, you're out of resources and your group is on the verge of wiping. Hit the Ulti, magica recovers, group stays alive.....
You forget that you're not allowed to get into problems. If that happens it's preferable to wipe and blame the rest of the team for low dps or something like that.
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Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
You will do just as fine with healing springs on a healing check. I have healed every inch of group content in this game, and I haven't found any benefit to using the healing ultimate over other options. For example, your group will appreciate an aggressive warhorn much more than they will appreciate a healing ultimate. If you need the healing ultimate to keep your group up, someone(either you or your group) is doing something wrong.Edited by timidobserver on November 16, 2015 1:53AMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭ZoS Do Not Touch Healing passage plz. it's great. just because the pvp community is crying again doesn't mean a overhaul. look howmutch damage they already have do to balance. clearly they dont know what they want. just don't ruin the game for us PvE players1 -
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Lol where did I say I wanted that ability changed? It's a purely situational ultimate that people obviously use, and I wouldn't like to see it altered.ZoS Do Not Touch Healing passage plz. it's great. just because the pvp community is crying again doesn't mean a overhaul. look howmutch damage they already have do to balance. clearly they dont know what they want. just don't ruin the game for us PvE players
It's sweep I feel is lacking and needs a buff.
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✭there were people posting about it sweep could use a buff maybe simular to incapacating strikeEdited by Artjuh90 on November 16, 2015 4:09AM0 -
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Except for this:markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.
and this:markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.
Barrier is rank 6 Support skill. Not every body has it. And because of Light Weaver channeling Rite of Passage puts you pretty much on resistance hard cap every time so you don't need mobility if you position properly.markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »
Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.
So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.
That skill is garbage even for healers. There isn't a place in the game where you should be using it. Healing springs will keep people up just as well and you retain your flexibility and mobility.
There is no one way that everybody "should" be playing you know? That word has no place in both PvE and PvP.
Indeed. However, freedom to do what you want doesn't make what you are doing viable. If you want to do a high stam high weapon damage force pulse build, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that you are going to suck. If you stubbornly want to use your healing ultimate go for it, but that doesn't change that it sucks and there is no real reason to use it over anything else.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Pop a Barrier and use Healing Springs, works better and you maintain mobility and use of other skills.
You keep missing the point, some fights can drag on a lot longer than any build is made for, sure barrier and healing springs or BoL can be just effective, they do however require you have plenty of resources left in your magic pool to use them, thats where the Ulti is good, when s**ts gone real pear shaped, you're out of resources and your group is on the verge of wiping. Hit the Ulti, magica recovers, group stays alive.....
In regards to Barrier: Replace it with Nova then, you still get DR and can keep actively healing, which is stronger than Remembrance.
In regards to Remembrance: If a healer runs out of Magicka in a PvE fight they need to tweak their resource management, because something isn't right. Channeled Focus combined with Major resource buffs puts my regen around the 2800/2 second mark, throw in a resto heavy attack every now and then and BAM, limitless magicka.
Now let's get back to the topic at hand, the application of the ultimates in PvP.PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭Nova is still tops for pve, but I can't imagine using any Templar ultimates in cyrodiil.
People don't even pretend to be bothered by nova anymore in pvp. It used to be good to clear an area that your group could advance into. Now enemies just stand in it and keep on fighting. Most players health regen recovers faster than any damage dealt. I want to add: I too just keep standing in an enemy Templar's nova, there's really no reason to hurry out.
The healing ult is great, but very situational, and many Templars aren't healers. And sweep is cheap, which is nice because its also really ineffective. It's like a weird imitation flame lash.Edited by Reverb on November 16, 2015 4:43AMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche1 -
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You're right. I should have said "its a poor imitation of Flame Lash, disguised as an ultimate"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche3 -
Kaliki✭✭✭✭Yeah, I suppose you're right, if you're a healer there's never any reason to use a massively powerful heal that also gives you and your allies damage mitigation, and doesn't deplete your magicka.
I mean, as a healer I definitely wouldn't use it most of the time, but for the content where there's a phase that serves as a healing check it's amazing.
Back when I still used the healing ultimate for healing checks my raids would often wipe or at least single persons would always die while Im channelling it. Has the number of targets healed changed or is it still the same?
If not, then Illustrous Healing might still be superior. Only good thing about the ulti is that its "free". If its about the damage reduction one might consider using nova instead, as it lasts 9.6 sec opposed to 4.
So yeah, the healing ulti is nice whenever you have sustain issues (which a healer should not have) or if you feel especially lazy and want 4-6 seconds of healing without doing anything. Great ability, really.^^
In PvP it can and will be interrupted, so I cant remember slotting it for more than one afternoon...Edited by Kaliki on November 16, 2015 8:10AM- Templars: Slower by Design® -1 -
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✭✭✭✭Templar ultimates suck(even Chocking Talons better than Empowering Sweep, and it not even ultimate skill). And no need even to theorycrafting, just watch in-game=most of templars are vampires only coz it gives their class at least 1 usefull ultimate Batswarm. If templars had atleast something as usefull as Bolstering Darkness or Soul Tether, you would see much less vamplars.Edited by Cinbri on November 16, 2015 8:39AM2 -
Tors✭✭✭✭✭Why are you using the Templar ultimates in PvP?
Templar is a fantastic support class, and there are a few Ultimates which provide fantastic support not in the Templar treesBetter late Than Pregnant....
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✭✭✭✭✭Why are you using the Templar ultimates in PvP?
Templar is a fantastic support class, and there are a few Ultimates which provide fantastic support not in the Templar trees
Are you saying none of the Ultimates in the Templar skill lines are viable for PVP? Seems like a bit of a design flaw if that's the case.
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Tors✭✭✭✭✭No, Im not saying that none are viable, but there are better alternatives. (situational)
There ARE fantastic solo Templars in PvP (Abraxus for one is awesome, if a bit mean) but if a Templar works with a second player, then those two are able to being down many times their number.
Things like barrier are almost aimed at the Templar, healing/defending the team as well as granting magica regen from the passives.
Actually, I forgot Nova. A nova is almost a pre-requiste of a zerg-ball busting group.
The sweepy-roundy-roundy skill actually helps a fair amount too. A templar can oftern find themselves right in the middle of the group (need to be up close and personal to purge) chuck your round-roundy-sweepy-woo-woo and you can increase your defense to a hight level, allowing you to get those much needed breath of lifes off.
My ultimates are pretty constant on barrier and vamp (vamp for when I need dps because I got jumped solo) and barrier because my raid make me AP If i keep them alive.
If you want a class with a single "HIGHDPS" button, then thats not the templar. Give it to us and (with our healing skills) we would look the the night blades did for a day last week with the bugged refreshing path. Very very overpowered (we are not weak now)Better late Than Pregnant....
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kkravaritieb17_ESO✭✭✭✭Not many people seem to know that dk's deep breath can interrupt a healing ultimate.Edited by kkravaritieb17_ESO on November 16, 2015 9:23AMMember of the glorious Zerg Squad
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Tors✭✭✭✭✭kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »Not many people seem to know that dk's deep breath can interrupt a healing ultimate it seems.
Most things interupt this ultimate. A DK doesent need to take a deep breath, a little burp will do it.Better late Than Pregnant....
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