Templar Ultimates are lame (PVP)

Alucardo · November 2015

So I've been playing Templar for a bit because it was pretty much the only class I haven't really given the old college try. Pretty fun so far. I really like the stam morphs you're given, and there's a nice balance between usable magicka and stamina abilities. I like that.
But is it just me, or do the Templar ultimates just plain suck? I mean, sweep has potential. It's low cost, and in theory it's good, but it just does jack. It feels like a flawless dawnbreaker abomination.
I think it'd be really sexy if there was a physical damage morph that gave you minor brutality (4% weapon damage) just for having it slotted, and the magical one minor sorcery (4% spell damage), or just buff it a bit at the very least. At the moment it's like slapping someone across the face with a wet sock.
The only good thing about Nova is its synergy, and Rite of Passage, well.. I just can't see myself ever using that one.

If you feel otherwise, please let me know why and how you make the most of Templar ultimates, or what changes you'd like to see if you agree they suck.

Jura23 · November 2015

I think Rite of Passage is awesome. Basically the same thing as Phoenix 5 piece. Even better in small group.

Alucardo · November 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

I think Rite of Passage is awesome. Basically the same thing as Phoenix 5 piece. Even better in small group.

From what I've encountered, using this ultimate just slightly delays the Templars inevitable death. Instead of using an ultimate to help obliterate enemies, they just hide in a shell until the slaughtering begins. Personally, I hate this ability.

Jura23 · November 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I think Rite of Passage is awesome. Basically the same thing as Phoenix 5 piece. Even better in small group.

From what I've encountered, using this ultimate just slightly delays the Templars inevitable death. Instead of using an ultimate to help obliterate enemies, they just hide in a shell until the slaughtering begins. Personally, I hate this ability.

I like to have 1 defensive and 1 offensive ultimate so I can pick which one to use based on the situation. I've already met several palyers I wasn't able to beat, but they couldn't beat me either thx to this ability. So instead of my loss it was a draw.

zornyan · November 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I think Rite of Passage is awesome. Basically the same thing as Phoenix 5 piece. Even better in small group.

From what I've encountered, using this ultimate just slightly delays the Templars inevitable death. Instead of using an ultimate to help obliterate enemies, they just hide in a shell until the slaughtering begins. Personally, I hate this ability.

It's situational, but very useful imo, for example

I always have it on my back bar when soloing in the sewers, the amount of times I've had someone gank me just as I'm finishing off fighting mobs, so my resource are low, quikcly pop this, get back to full health, get a couple recovery ticks to regen stats, and turn around ready to dish out punishment.

Especially handy since in those first few seconds the gankers are usually bursting with everything they have, so using remembrance to survive through it leaves me with the upper hand.

Alucardo · November 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

I like to have 1 defensive and 1 offensive ultimate so I can pick which one to use based on the situation. I've already met several palyers I wasn't able to beat, but they couldn't beat me either thx to this ability. So instead of my loss it was a draw.

That's a fair call, but the 1v1s I've had with Templars that use this, I just spammed heavy attacks while they channelled it to regain my stamina, then burst them down with my useful ultimates when they came out of hiding.
Their Rite of Passage seemed to benefit me more than them sadly. The Templars that have beaten me played more offensively and used Nova to try and keep me at a distance.

Alucardo · November 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Especially handy since in those first few seconds the gankers are usually bursting with everything they have, so using remembrance to survive through it leaves me with the upper hand.

As I said in my comment above, I'm not that stupid :P
I'll use that time to get back my resources, so I like it when Templars use this

Alucardo · November 2015

I guess as a healer in a group I can see the benefits of Rite of Passage. So you're right, @zornyan it's purely situational. Still, I'd like to see their offensive ultimates get a buff, especially sweep

Molag_Crow · November 2015

True. I just use Dawnbreaker.

Alucardo · November 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

True. I just use Dawnbreaker.

I don't blame you in the slightest. Would just be nice if Templar had an Ultimate that maybe wasn't AS good, but was a nice alternative until you get Dawnbreaker. Sweep doesn't even feel like that.

Spearshard · November 2015

Yeah, it's not really designed for 1v1 combat, though you can use it. It really shines when in groups, it's a real life saver, brings the entire group back up to 100%. And in situations in vet dungeons when the boss is really dishing out aoe's when he's at that last few % of hp, can help keep the group from wiping.

eliisra · November 2015

They're really lame yes, if you want a dps or offensive PvP ultimate.

Nova is a group/raid oriented ultimate. It's the synergy that does the dmg. You cant use your own synergy. In PvP, enemies will just walk out of it, unless you have allies rooting and cc'ing them in it.

Sweep is more of a tank ultimate, go for dmg reduction one and use it on big pulls in dungeons etc. Really doesn't do a lot of dmg and can be hard to connect with.

Rite of Passage is obviously a heal ultimate and serves no other purpose.

Best offensive ultimate for templar I feel is Batswarm, goes really well with Puncturing Strikes and Thaumaturge. Sadly you cant play vampire in PvP at the moment, since ZoS supports instagibbing with Camo Hunter. Not that many great choices left. Meteor, Dawnbreaker or Soul Assault.

Alucardo · November 2015

eliisra wrote: »

Best offensive ultimate for templar I feel is Batswarm, goes really well with Puncturing Strikes and Thaumaturge. Sadly you cant play vampire in PvP at the moment, since ZoS supports instagibbing with Camo Hunter. Not that many great choices left. Meteor, Dawnbreaker or Soul Assault.

Man, I'd LOVE bats... if you didn't have to be a Vampire. I currently don't have any, nor do I plan to ever have one. But bats tho.. omg

Alcast · November 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

So I've been playing Templar for a bit because it was pretty much the only class I haven't really given the old college try. Pretty fun so far. I really like the stam morphs you're given, and there's a nice balance between usable magicka and stamina abilities. I like that.
But is it just me, or do the Templar ultimates just plain suck? I mean, sweep has potential. It's low cost, and in theory it's good, but it just does jack. It feels like a flawless dawnbreaker abomination.
I think it'd be really sexy if there was a physical damage morph that gave you minor brutality (4% weapon damage) just for having it slotted, and the magical one minor sorcery (4% spell damage), or just buff it a bit at the very least. At the moment it's like slapping someone across the face with a wet sock.
The only good thing about Nova is its synergy, and Rite of Passage, well.. I just can't see myself ever using that one.

If you feel otherwise, please let me know why and how you make the most of Templar ultimates, or what changes you'd like to see if you agree they suck.

Templars in general need a redoing...
Most attacks are channeled and most projectils are moving VERY slow....

Spearshard · November 2015

I do agree the other ults are a bit lackluster.

Jura23 · November 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

So I've been playing Templar for a bit because it was pretty much the only class I haven't really given the old college try. Pretty fun so far. I really like the stam morphs you're given, and there's a nice balance between usable magicka and stamina abilities. I like that.
But is it just me, or do the Templar ultimates just plain suck? I mean, sweep has potential. It's low cost, and in theory it's good, but it just does jack. It feels like a flawless dawnbreaker abomination.
I think it'd be really sexy if there was a physical damage morph that gave you minor brutality (4% weapon damage) just for having it slotted, and the magical one minor sorcery (4% spell damage), or just buff it a bit at the very least. At the moment it's like slapping someone across the face with a wet sock.
The only good thing about Nova is its synergy, and Rite of Passage, well.. I just can't see myself ever using that one.

If you feel otherwise, please let me know why and how you make the most of Templar ultimates, or what changes you'd like to see if you agree they suck.

Templars in general need a redoing...
Most attacks are channeled and most projectils are moving VERY slow....

I never tried it since then, but they increased travel time of sun fire in IC patch. It was in the patch notes.

Tankqull · November 2015

well you are observing it now...
think about them a year ago, sweep costed 180points nova 350, nova was a poor mans standart 200points more costy with half the standard duration while each tic dealt 1/3 of standards dmg per tic...

Alcast · November 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

So I've been playing Templar for a bit because it was pretty much the only class I haven't really given the old college try. Pretty fun so far. I really like the stam morphs you're given, and there's a nice balance between usable magicka and stamina abilities. I like that.
But is it just me, or do the Templar ultimates just plain suck? I mean, sweep has potential. It's low cost, and in theory it's good, but it just does jack. It feels like a flawless dawnbreaker abomination.
I think it'd be really sexy if there was a physical damage morph that gave you minor brutality (4% weapon damage) just for having it slotted, and the magical one minor sorcery (4% spell damage), or just buff it a bit at the very least. At the moment it's like slapping someone across the face with a wet sock.
The only good thing about Nova is its synergy, and Rite of Passage, well.. I just can't see myself ever using that one.

If you feel otherwise, please let me know why and how you make the most of Templar ultimates, or what changes you'd like to see if you agree they suck.

Templars in general need a redoing...
Most attacks are channeled and most projectils are moving VERY slow....

I never tried it since then, but they increased travel time of sun fire in IC patch. It was in the patch notes.

Ye that speedincrease was just a joke compared to how fast CCrystal frag for example travels lol...

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

True. I just use Dawnbreaker.

I don't blame you in the slightest. Would just be nice if Templar had an Ultimate that maybe wasn't AS good, but was a nice alternative until you get Dawnbreaker. Sweep doesn't even feel like that.

I tried using sweep for the 8 second 15% damage reduction but it just doesn't cut it in PvP. $:\$

Alucardo · November 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Ye that speedincrease was just a joke compared to how fast CCrystal frag for example travels lol...

That feeling when you run faster than your projectiles

mr_wazzabi · November 2015

I use dawnbreaker as well. Sweep seems really weak and not worth an ultimate.
Remembrance is awesome as a group healer. You should try fighting zergs that have 5 or more templars spamming it, especially when they're coordinated. They're impossible to kill.

I heard the solar disturbance morph of nova is pretty good as it snares enemies, but i picked solar prison for group pve for the better synergy.
In pvp, i use dawnbreaker as my offensive ultimate.

k9mouse · November 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

True. I just use Dawnbreaker.

I don't blame you in the slightest. Would just be nice if Templar had an Ultimate that maybe wasn't AS good, but was a nice alternative until you get Dawnbreaker. Sweep doesn't even feel like that.

I tried using sweep for the 8 second 15% damage reduction but it just doesn't cut it in PvP. $:\$

I love my templars and they are great at PVE, IMHO Sorry, if some players did not get the memo that ESO does NOT revolved PVP only. I am happy with my skills as a templar. I have two templars, a vampy and a non-vampy versions and they are good in PVE and the little PVP I do play, they seem to do a good job as well. We can't we have a group focused class / built instead of only focusing on solo play? This is a MMO afterall.

I am really glad that some people enjoy PVP and wish them well.

With that being said, I do have an axe to grind with the PVP players as a whole (not pointing fingers at anyone, just general speaking). Why do the PVP players always whine and complain about skills and demand nerfs? IMHO, in many ways (but not all) PVP players end up messing up the PVE for the rest of us with their never ending demands of overhauls (read nerfs). They never say what skills should be buffed for PVP or PVP.

Digerati · November 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

I think Rite of Passage is awesome. Basically the same thing as Phoenix 5 piece. Even better in small group.

From what I've encountered, using this ultimate just slightly delays the Templars inevitable death. Instead of using an ultimate to help obliterate enemies, they just hide in a shell until the slaughtering begins. Personally, I hate this ability.

Rite of Passage is their best ultimate.. But only if you're a power healer. If you're in a raid vs raid and you've just squeezed out your last heal, you pop your rite and keep the raid up for a few seconds while you and the other healers catch your breath. It's definitely made the difference in a ton of zerg fights, for me.

Junkogen · November 2015

Much like the Argonian racial passives, despite how underpowered they are ZOS won't redo or drastically change them because they're sole focus is DLC and Crown Store. Ain't nobody got time to overhaul Templars. #truth

Mumyo · November 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

So I've been playing Templar for a bit because it was pretty much the only class I haven't really given the old college try. Pretty fun so far. I really like the stam morphs you're given, and there's a nice balance between usable magicka and stamina abilities. I like that.
But is it just me, or do the Templar ultimates just plain suck? I mean, sweep has potential. It's low cost, and in theory it's good, but it just does jack. It feels like a flawless dawnbreaker abomination.
I think it'd be really sexy if there was a physical damage morph that gave you minor brutality (4% weapon damage) just for having it slotted, and the magical one minor sorcery (4% spell damage), or just buff it a bit at the very least. At the moment it's like slapping someone across the face with a wet sock.
The only good thing about Nova is its synergy, and Rite of Passage, well.. I just can't see myself ever using that one.

If you feel otherwise, please let me know why and how you make the most of Templar ultimates, or what changes you'd like to see if you agree they suck.

Yup... exactly my words, especially the part with the dawnbreaker abomination.
The healing ult isnt so good too(should have some additional effects). Nova is a acceptable situational ult which indeed has its use sometimes but its too expensive.

Vyle_Byte · November 2015

Agreed. Templar ults are crap. Its pretty bad when a class has to use ultimates that are available to everyone because their own are so... lackluster. This is definitely one of my biggest complaints about a class I love to play.

SemiD4rkness · November 2015

Never used them, only once I used sweep and it was because I went for a tanky build that pretty much failed in pvp.
Dawnbreaker and clouding swarm all the way.

timidobserver · November 2015

Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.

Jura23 · November 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Yeh the ultimates are pretty bad. The only one of them that there is ever any reason to use is Nova, and that highly depends on the situation.

So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.

Vyle_Byte · November 2015

Jura23 wrote: »

So there is no use for probably the strongest healing ability that is? Come on.

Not every templar is a healer or a group only player, which is really all that Ult is good for. Don't get me wrong, its pretty good, but yes, its very situational.

Taleof2Cities · November 2015

I think Nightblades have the most underwhelming ultimates at the moment, IMHO. When our PvP raid leader assigns roles for a new group, we hardly ever talk about Nightblade class ultimates.