'It doesn't drop anything worth using so there's no point.'

Islyn · November 2015

redspecter23 wrote: »

Orsinium has solid xp from creation right up to V16. No other zone can say that.

It has two daily quests which both have the potential to drop some great loot.

It has the top tier nodes in the game, harvestable from really low levels potentially.

The only other zone remotely comparable is Cyrodiil.

I'm struggling to figure out what the OP actually wanted that wasn't delivered.

What? I am saying that there is still other stuff to do that new people want to do but cannot as the number of experienced people who want to also teach them aren't there.

I have undaunted maxed and all my gear. I don't need to do pledges yet I do them 3x a day or so to help others.

Also not everyone has Orsinium.

I never said anything bad about orsinuim either but it is true that it will be another grind. Repeatable dailies = grind.

Not that I mind or even actually care.

However it will take most hard core players a week if that to complete orsinium objectives.

After that it will be rinse repeat. Again which is fine and my OP has nothing to do with.

:-)

Islyn · November 2015

KerinKor wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Salmonoid wrote: »

I still haven't done Craglorn, I'd like to do it but people don't seem to want to do it after they've grinded to vr16.

I don't see why not, it's content and you may as well full clear the area.

You're on PS4 NA or I would Crag with ya. It is FUN and a really awesome story line to boot.

Most the people who think Craglorn is Grindlorn and stupid have never even done the quests. It really is good (EXCEPT the MAJOR MAJOR nerf to Shada's Tear So Sad.)

Yeah I really enjoyed Crag's quests. They should be done by anyone who likes story.

Some people would love to but the 1990s group-or-die design of Craglorn means most who weren't around when the land-rush took place never will get the chance.

I did most of craglorn with one other person except certain doors which was indeed a pain because you needed 4 people on same phase of quest to open and a couple bosses we had to call a tank in literally to tank. Other than that...

Also when you say land rush I think Archeage and feel confused as to what you refer. Clarify please?

Volkodav · November 2015

You can please some of the people some of the time,and all of the people some of the time.BUT,..you cant please all of the people all of the time.

Islyn · November 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

You can please some of the people some of the time,and all of the people some of the time.BUT,..you cant please all of the people all of the time.

True that.

newtinmpls · November 2015

Islyn wrote: »

I never said anything bad about orsinuim either but it is true that it will be another grind. Repeatable dailies = grind.

Well... depends on if you like them.

For some weird reason I like Fungal Grotto a lot. Really a lot. Like I had one character that did it five different times in five different groups - and there was some RPing too...

I really like some of the repeatable quests in IC - some of them are really logical in that there wouldn't be "an end to it" so it makes sense to keep working at the project/task. I'd like to see more logic in repeatable quests.

JMadFour · November 2015

Salmonoid wrote: »

I still haven't done Craglorn, I'd like to do it but people don't seem to want to do it after they've grinded to vr16.

I don't see why not, it's content and you may as well full clear the area.

and the people who speed-leveled to VR16 and refuse to do Craglorn with you, those are likely the same people who come to forums and cry about "there is nothing to do".

UltimaJoe777 · November 2015

I will never understand why people gripe about not getting anything worthwhile for their time so much. Isn't just playing the game worthwhile? I mean we are all here to play the game after all. What's the point if all you care about is just collecting all that meta-approved gear? I mean look at it this way: If that is all you care about then what will you do once you get it? Spend all your time in Cyrodiil or MSA Leaderboards? The fact that it takes so much effort to get anything worthwhile gives you something to shoot for that actually lasts! If you get it too soon not only is what Gidorick said about it losing value true but you also end up with a lot less to shoot for far too soon! I get RNG is a butthole and can be frustrating to anyone, I truly do, but simply raising the drop rates because you hate RNG is not the answer.

Islyn · November 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

I never said anything bad about orsinuim either but it is true that it will be another grind. Repeatable dailies = grind.

Well... depends on if you like them.

For some weird reason I like Fungal Grotto a lot. Really a lot. Like I had one character that did it five different times in five different groups - and there was some RPing too...

I really like some of the repeatable quests in IC - some of them are really logical in that there wouldn't be "an end to it" so it makes sense to keep working at the project/task. I'd like to see more logic in repeatable quests.

A grind is a grind whether you like them or not.

Anything you have to repeat for XP/Gear is a grind.

Islyn · November 2015

JMadFour wrote: »

Salmonoid wrote: »

I still haven't done Craglorn, I'd like to do it but people don't seem to want to do it after they've grinded to vr16.

I don't see why not, it's content and you may as well full clear the area.

and the people who speed-leveled to VR16 and refuse to do Craglorn with you, those are likely the same people who come to forums and cry about "there is nothing to do".

Yeah exactly and ALSO many of these same people are the ones who cannot clear even things like Vet DC because they literally don't know their class well enough.

Marrtha · November 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I will never understand why people gripe about not getting anything worthwhile for their time so much. Isn't just playing the game worthwhile?

This is to summarize the entire thread.. ISN'T JUST PLAYING GOOD ENOUGH?

I have a friend who maxed all crafts, got to max rank, crafted purple Magnus set, and is now just standing around Belkarth. I got to r14 (back in the days....), got gear, upgraded it to legendary myself... And he was still standing around there. Probably afking and alt-tabbing, but jeez, was that what you were paying subscription for? I have never done a single thing with him in game, except for chatting. Even that sort of 'players' is better than 'PLAYERS' who just ignore you when you ask for help, but are besties with you as soon as they need it. This guy at least explained crafting to me lol and some lore tidbits.

Islyn · November 2015

Marrtha wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I will never understand why people gripe about not getting anything worthwhile for their time so much. Isn't just playing the game worthwhile?

This is to summarize the entire thread.. ISN'T JUST PLAYING GOOD ENOUGH?

I have a friend who maxed all crafts, got to max rank, crafted purple Magnus set, and is now just standing around Belkarth. I got to r14 (back in the days....), got gear, upgraded it to legendary myself... And he was still standing around there. Probably afking and alt-tabbing, but jeez, was that what you were paying subscription for? I have never done a single thing with him in game, except for chatting. Even that sort of 'players' is better than 'PLAYERS' who just ignore you when you ask for help, but are besties with you as soon as they need it. This guy at least explained crafting to me lol and some lore tidbits.

Tell him he can go with us sometime if he wants

I would be doing something now but my right eye is nearly swollen shut from Dentist surgery Monday AM. :P

Marrtha · November 2015

Islyn wrote: »

Marrtha wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I will never understand why people gripe about not getting anything worthwhile for their time so much. Isn't just playing the game worthwhile?

This is to summarize the entire thread.. ISN'T JUST PLAYING GOOD ENOUGH?

I have a friend who maxed all crafts, got to max rank, crafted purple Magnus set, and is now just standing around Belkarth. I got to r14 (back in the days....), got gear, upgraded it to legendary myself... And he was still standing around there. Probably afking and alt-tabbing, but jeez, was that what you were paying subscription for? I have never done a single thing with him in game, except for chatting. Even that sort of 'players' is better than 'PLAYERS' who just ignore you when you ask for help, but are besties with you as soon as they need it. This guy at least explained crafting to me lol and some lore tidbits.

Tell him he can go with us sometime if he wants I would be doing something now but my right eye is nearly swollen shut from Dentist surgery Monday AM. :P

I think he quit, saw him on again for only a short while when IC hit. So weird o:

And woah, is it that bad? Damn

Hope you get better soon..

Volkodav · November 2015

Here's another point for those annoyed because there's not enough of this or that:
ESO.
It is what it is.
It isnt what you demand it to be.
You should not expect it to be morphed to your own standards.
Go into it and just accept that there will eventually be an end.
Get over it,guys. :}

nordsavage · November 2015

That is just difference between MMO jockeys and Elder Scrolls fans.

Islyn · November 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Here's another point for those annoyed because there's not enough of this or that:
ESO.
It is what it is.
It isnt what you demand it to be.
You should not expect it to be morphed to your own standards.
Go into it and just accept that there will eventually be an end.
Get over it,guys. :}

Ok and No one demanded it to be anything. lol.

If ya comment on my post at least read the OP or else quote to whom you are replying. ;-)

Time to come out of the whiskey river and dry off...*hands you a towel*

Islyn · November 2015

nordsavage wrote: »

That is just difference between MMO jockeys and Elder Scrolls fans.

Soooo which of these prefers being logged on to do nothing but stand about in Stormhaven looking at themselves to doing anything even if they've done it? MMO Jockeys or Elder Scrolls Fans.

The OP doesn't really apply to people who haven't cleared trials a bunch or who cannot clear pledges with ease because they would still be willing to get in there.

I think people like to put on these airs or even convince themselves that they're just 'above' certain content so that instead of having fun they just shoot themselves in the foot over their own arrogance and stand there lookin at their character's backside

Yep because too good to do something 'easy' or 'boring' but perfectly ok with standing around /w ing everyone how good and bored you are.

Stikato · November 2015

This is pretty simple.

A large part of the fun in MMOs is progression. The more activities in the game that don't have progression, the less fun there is to be had. This game is built on repetitive, static content. That wasn't our decision.So yeah, if there is nothing to get from running a dungeon for the 10th time, it just isn't fun. If doing a trial for the 10th time yields nothing of value, then that isn't fun.

Now, pvp, for me is fun without the progression. But a lot of other activities in the game are not. If this was a true TES title, with consequential choices, and an immersive world, then maybe that wouldn't matter. But ZOS has made an MMO with TES races, locations, and lore. Not a multiplayer TES game.

Islyn · November 2015

Stikato wrote: »

This is pretty simple.

A large part of the fun in MMOs is progression. The more activities in the game that don't have progression, the less fun there is to be had. This game is built on repetitive, static content. That wasn't our decision.So yeah, if there is nothing to get from running a dungeon for the 10th time, it just isn't fun. If doing a trial for the 10th time yields nothing of value, then that isn't fun.

And yet these same people will play the same RPGs and FPSs repeatedly for which you get _nothing_ ;-)

Stikato wrote: »

Now, pvp, for me is fun without the progression.

Used to be....to me now it is too zerg-y but oh well, still OK sometimes ;-)

Stikato wrote: »

But a lot of other activities in the game are not. If this was a true TES title, with consequential choices, and an immersive world, then maybe that wouldn't matter. But ZOS has made an MMO with TES races, locations, and lore. Not a multiplayer TES game.

True.

Tholian1 · November 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I will never understand why people gripe about not getting anything worthwhile for their time so much. Isn't just playing the game worthwhile? I mean we are all here to play the game after all. What's the point if all you care about is just collecting all that meta-approved gear? I mean look at it this way: If that is all you care about then what will you do once you get it? Spend all your time in Cyrodiil or MSA Leaderboards? The fact that it takes so much effort to get anything worthwhile gives you something to shoot for that actually lasts! If you get it too soon not only is what Gidorick said about it losing value true but you also end up with a lot less to shoot for far too soon! I get RNG is a butthole and can be frustrating to anyone, I truly do, but simply raising the drop rates because you hate RNG is not the answer.

Of course just playing the game is worthwhile.

The problem, as I see it, is that people will only chase the prize for so long. ZOS dangles the must have item in front of players faces and snatches it away every time they grab for it until many just lose interest and stop reaching for it. Keep doing that enough, and people will be conditioned to expect to never get the prize and will stop trying no matter what the newest must have item is.

Yes I know it is RNG, but ZOS controls that and needs to realize that not everyone lives in the game 24/7 and deserves to be rewarded from time to time too.

Volkodav · November 2015

Islyn wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Here's another point for those annoyed because there's not enough of this or that:
ESO.
It is what it is.
It isnt what you demand it to be.
You should not expect it to be morphed to your own standards.
Go into it and just accept that there will eventually be an end.
Get over it,guys. :}

Ok and No one demanded it to be anything. lol.

If ya comment on my post at least read the OP or else quote to whom you are replying. ;-)

Time to come out of the whiskey river and dry off...*hands you a towel*

Thats just rude.I wasnt insulting anyone.And yes,perhaps I should have mentioned it wasnt about the OPs post at all.However,the insult was uncalled for. And,yes tons of people in the forums want the game to be how they want it to be,and most of the threads prove that.
Oh,and my name is in regards to a song,not for the fact that I drink Whiskey.Although,I imagine you dont know that song,or do you?
By Willie Nelson? Whiskey River?
(I rarely drink,btw.)

Islyn · November 2015

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Here's another point for those annoyed because there's not enough of this or that:
ESO.
It is what it is.
It isnt what you demand it to be.
You should not expect it to be morphed to your own standards.
Go into it and just accept that there will eventually be an end.
Get over it,guys. :}

Ok and No one demanded it to be anything. lol.

If ya comment on my post at least read the OP or else quote to whom you are replying. ;-)

Time to come out of the whiskey river and dry off...*hands you a towel*

Thats just rude.I wasnt insulting anyone.And yes,perhaps I should have mentioned it wasnt about the OPs post at all.However,the insult was uncalled for. And,yes tons of people in the forums want the game to be how they want it to be,and most of the threads prove that.
Oh,and my name is in regards to a song,not for the fact that I drink Whiskey.Although,I imagine you dont know that song,or do you?
By Willie Nelson? Whiskey River?
(I rarely drink,btw.)

Oh I did not mean to be insulting or rude I am very sorry. I admit i was joking, but I didn't mean to offend or barb or anything.

newtinmpls · November 2015

Islyn wrote: »

A grind is a grind whether you like them or not.

Anything you have to repeat for XP/Gear is a grind.

YMMV and it does.

If I like to do it = not a grind.

If I like to do it a LOT = still not a grind.

I'm here in game because I like it. I don't have to have any particular gear because I like PLAYING the game, not seeing my name on a leaderboard or finishing X trial in X time.

for me ... not a grind.

Islyn · November 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

A grind is a grind whether you like them or not.

Anything you have to repeat for XP/Gear is a grind.

YMMV and it does.

If I like to do it = not a grind.

If I like to do it a LOT = still not a grind.

I'm here in game because I like it. I don't have to have any particular gear because I like PLAYING the game, not seeing my name on a leaderboard or finishing X trial in X time.

for me ... not a grind.

hah I almost said the same; If you like it, it doesn't feel like a grind.

(Repeating stuff to get stuff is a grind, but doesn't feel like it then Yay! I could say I like killing mobs over and over, because depending on the mobs, I do - but people here would still call it a grind and want it nerfed ;-) )

DenMoria · November 2015

I have a question:

Is this game about adventure and excitement and just having fun wandering about Tamriel and getting trouble or is it about collecting meaningless items, trophies and acknowledgements?

Just wondering so I can stop enjoying and start grinding and complaining if the later is the case.

Volkodav · November 2015

Islyn wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Here's another point for those annoyed because there's not enough of this or that:
ESO.
It is what it is.
It isnt what you demand it to be.
You should not expect it to be morphed to your own standards.
Go into it and just accept that there will eventually be an end.
Get over it,guys. :}

Ok and No one demanded it to be anything. lol.

If ya comment on my post at least read the OP or else quote to whom you are replying. ;-)

Time to come out of the whiskey river and dry off...*hands you a towel*

Thats just rude.I wasnt insulting anyone.And yes,perhaps I should have mentioned it wasnt about the OPs post at all.However,the insult was uncalled for. And,yes tons of people in the forums want the game to be how they want it to be,and most of the threads prove that.
Oh,and my name is in regards to a song,not for the fact that I drink Whiskey.Although,I imagine you dont know that song,or do you?
By Willie Nelson? Whiskey River?
(I rarely drink,btw.)

Oh I did not mean to be insulting or rude I am very sorry. I admit i was joking, but I didn't mean to offend or barb or anything.

Whew! I am soo glad. Please forgive me for being so sensitive.I had recently been bit by another member here,and perhaps I saw it as another attack. I became what I always gripe about a thin s kinned whiner. XD

Stikato · November 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

I have a question:

Is this game about adventure and excitement and just having fun wandering about Tamriel and getting trouble or is it about collecting meaningless items, trophies and acknowledgements?

Just wondering so I can stop enjoying and start grinding and complaining if the later is the case.

The Tamriel we are were used to, where there are were dangers and consequences around every corner?

"But this is a MMO"

Then fine, give me progression.

Ez-mode + little progression = boring.

AlnilamE · November 2015

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

First, we *need* cross faction overworld zones. Right now, if you want to do any of that content, you are not able to play with 2/3 of the other players who are also looking to do this content.

????

You don't need to group for any of the overworld content in this game.

Islyn wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Salmonoid wrote: »

I still haven't done Craglorn, I'd like to do it but people don't seem to want to do it after they've grinded to vr16.

I don't see why not, it's content and you may as well full clear the area.

You're on PS4 NA or I would Crag with ya. It is FUN and a really awesome story line to boot.

Most the people who think Craglorn is Grindlorn and stupid have never even done the quests. It really is good (EXCEPT the MAJOR MAJOR nerf to Shada's Tear So Sad.)

Yeah I really enjoyed Crag's quests. They should be done by anyone who likes story.

Some people would love to but the 1990s group-or-die design of Craglorn means most who weren't around when the land-rush took place never will get the chance.

I did most of craglorn with one other person except certain doors which was indeed a pain because you needed 4 people on same phase of quest to open and a couple bosses we had to call a tank in literally to tank. Other than that...

Also when you say land rush I think Archeage and feel confused as to what you refer. Clarify please?

FYI, the requirement that all 4 people be on the same phase of the quest was removed over a year ago. I have helped many players open the portal in the Missing Guardian quest so they could continue (and most of the time helped them with it because I do enjoy that quest).

Xjcon · November 2015

Wait? Solo content is toxic to a MMO? Like WTF?

It's fun for some, I get that! But the whole point to play a MMO is to do group content.

Knootewoot · November 2015

Since achievements and loot, people don't play for "fun" anymore. They want a reward and that's it, whether it's fun or not.

When, for example, people played Battlefield 1942... there where no leaderboards, achievements, unlocks or whatever. People played for fun.
When I play BF2142 or BF3, I had many people leave the game because "they already have all unlocks" or "have a *** K/D ratio".

The same for mmo's. I played Starwars Galaxies, which didn't have quests to start with and there was no reward for anything. But people played... for "fun". Same could be said for Vanguard or other mmo's which did have rewards for most quests/raids, but people did stuff over and over again like overland raids which didn't give rewards, but because it was fun.
These days, if there is no better loot reward then they already have... they don't like to do it.

I love the dungeons in TESO. I could do them over and over again. I wish I found a group who would do all dungeons on veteran mode with me. I don't need a reward. I play for the fun.

I don't care about achievements. I don't like the fishing... so I won't have the master angler achievement. Other people also don't like the fishing, but do go for the achievement... why? They play not to have fun, but for the unlocks.

Alucardo · November 2015

I somewhat disagree. Nobody wants to do anything so I end up trying to solo the world bosses in Wrothgar. When someone shows up and we finally kill it, those soul gems they drop are the most beautiful things I've ever seen, because they help replace the countless deaths I've had up to that point. That's value right there.
But yeah, I'm being a little sarcastic (and truthful) and fully agree.