FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I'm against shield stacking, most sorcs on this forum are, I wish they would remove it from the game. I only use hardened ward in pvp and have done since shieldbreaker set came out. Tank, damage and mobility aren't classes, nice try though lol.

AfkNinja wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

You're wrong about Repentance. The passive regen is not the same as the potion buffs. You're thinking of the other morph that no one uses, because it is completely useless and even than that morph still has the passive regen (Both morphs are mostly useless outside of PVE, keep trying to sell it to me though.). The buffs are only when you activate the skill. Channeled Focus is 12 seconds, but it gives the same armor buffs as Bound Armor plus it adds in magic regen and on top of that, it is not a toggle. And you don't have to stand in place to get the benefits (You do or it only lasts 8 seconds. Irrelevant though as I wasn't arguing to much about the armor skills but Proactive defense vs reactive). btw Ezareth was complaining about having to recast Boundless Storm if changed to 10 seconds, I just find that funny. Templar has the shortest armor buff yet is a turret style class that's just....what? It's okay when it happens to Templar.)

I need to practice playing my sorc? That's funny. Read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote. I said that my Templar can stand in close proximity to multiple enemy players longer than my sorc can (Yes you specified this without any supporting information so I assumed a Magic Templar would use light because the Magic passives are pretty boss). That is because sorcs have to maintain distance. If that ward goes down, there are very few options for healing (Yup only surge, and dark exchange which I am unsure of the effectiveness). And not all of us are using a resto staff (True, yet also not my point.)

I know very few Templars that use light armor (I do). People are always surprised when I tell them I wear 5 light because of how much damage I can mitigate and how much I can live through and keep others alive through (You claim not everyone wears light then state you wear light which means you have the same armor as a Sorc. If both classes are in light mitigation will be the same). To this day, I have not been successfully ganked on my horse on my Templar. My sorc has been (anecdotal, irrelevant. If you don't want me using those arguments you should avoid them also.).

And it doesn't matter that a sorc shield cast lasts 20 seconds (Yes it does if you think about my point on Proactive defense vs reactive). It's only going to absorb 8-12k worth of damage, depending on the player (For that one shield, most sorc use 2 or more. Not all though). You have to cast it about as frequently as a templar would need to cast Blazing Shield or Harness Magic. But the thing is that a Templar doesn't need to do this, because of healing.

"You have to cast it about as frequently as a templar would need to cast Blazing Shield or Harness Magic." I singled out this line because your argument is terrible. Templar doesn't use Blazing Shield because it has been nerfed like so many times including a double nerf for IC. It's useless and to make it usefull requires to much of a build sacrifice.

"But the thing is that a Templar doesn't need to do this, because of healing."

When a Templar heals (his class defense) he can do no dmg.
When a Sorcerer uses his class defense (shields) he procs Crystal Frags so even when on defense he's on offense.
When a DK uses class defense (heals or shields or blocks) he does no dmg,
When a NB uses his class defense (shadow teleport/cloak to Healing ward) he does no dmg.

One of these classes is not like the others.

They just need to make some small adjustments to shielding like limiting how many can be active at the same time.

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When did this turn into Templar vs Sorcerer?

Well, I play both and my Templar has multiple skills to increase regen(This is strait up wrong, we have 2. One of which requires bodies to work at all. Also the "passive" effect it gives is the same as a potion and does not stack. And to get the MP from channeled focus we have to recast every 8 seconds. NO ONE ELSE HAS AN ARMOR THAT'S 8 SECONDS, 12 if you stand still.), better healing (Only as a magic class, much worse healing as stamina compared to sorc), and can last longer in close proximity to enemy players than my sorc can. (This is wrong as well, Sorc has the highest mobility in the game and the BEST PROACTIVE defense. If you are dying faster on sorc than Templar than you likely just need practice playing sorc.)

Everyone needs to stop arguing and actually take a moment to consider the actual points brought up in this thread, we aren't just bashing on SORCS we see an imbalance and would point it out for ANY CLASS. Do I personally want Sorc nerfed? No. I don't even want the shield changed to scale on HP, what we DO WANT however is a review of these mechanics because they are not fair OR a buff to other classes to bring us up to par.

This isn't a Templar vs Sorcerer thread, Templar was only brought up to argue a point about PROACTIVE DEFENSE vs REACTIVE DEFENSE. We are merely emphasizing you can PREEMPT DAMAGE which is BETTER than reacting to heal or cloak or block cause you can keep fighting. How to kill any magic class from stealth -> DMG to CC to death, if they are magic and wearing cloth they likely can be burst down in a few seconds unless you give them time to react.

Ezareth argued earlier Sorcs need those shields cause without them you get insta-gibbed from steath, ironically he didn't even acknowledge that Magic Templar, Magic Dragon Knight and Magic NB are going to be wearing similar armor (cloth) and likely in the same scenario would ALSO BE INSTA-GIBBED because ALL OF THEIR DEFENSES ARE REACTIONARY not PROACTIVE. At least you can PREPARE for the fight before it happens, no one else can. Sorcerer is essentially the Batman of ESO.

Can a Templar use non-class shields? Yes. Will he gain the same benefit as a Sorcerer, not likely. Will anyone gain the same benefit as a Sorc? No because no one has a 20 second huge class shield which scales much higher than other class shields. At the very least shields should only stack 2 at a time, a Major ward and a minor ward like every other buff.

You're wrong about Repentance. The passive regen is not the same as the potion buffs. You're thinking of the other morph that no one uses, because it is completely useless and even than that morph still has the passive regen. The buffs are only when you activate the skill. Channeled Focus is 8 seconds, but it gives the same armor buffs as Bound Armor plus it adds in magic regen and on top of that, it is not a toggle. And you don't have to stand in place to get the benefits.

I need to practice playing my sorc? That's funny. Read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote. I said that my Templar can stand in close proximity to multiple enemy players longer than my sorc can. That is because sorcs have to maintain distance. If that ward goes down, there are very few options for healing. And not all of us are using a resto staff.

I know very few Templars that use light armor. People are always surprised when I tell them I wear 5 light because of how much damage I can mitigate and how much I can live through and keep others alive through. To this day, I have not been successfully ganked on my horse on my Templar. My sorc has been.

And it doesn't matter that a sorc shield cast lasts 20 seconds. It's only going to absorb 8-12k worth of damage, depending on the player. You have to cast it about as frequently as a templar would need to cast Blazing Shield or Harness Magic. But the thing is that a Templar doesn't need to do this, because of healing.

Er let's see

Channeled focus adds regen if you STAND IN THE TINY TINY CIRCLE and last for 8 Seconds

lightning form lasts for 20 seconds, does damage AND grants a speed buff AND last for 20 seconds.

Unless your telling me all pvp fights are static?

No, it doesn't. You get the regen for 8 seconds whether you're in or out of the circle. Go try it.

Actually it now only regens whilst standing in it, got nerfed in the last patch, even the tooltip states.

"Recover x magicka per 0.5 seconds WHILST STANDING IN THE RUNE"

Jesus you people don't have a clue

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When did this turn into Templar vs Sorcerer?

Well, I play both and my Templar has multiple skills to increase regen(This is strait up wrong, we have 2. One of which requires bodies to work at all. Also the "passive" effect it gives is the same as a potion and does not stack. And to get the MP from channeled focus we have to recast every 8 seconds. NO ONE ELSE HAS AN ARMOR THAT'S 8 SECONDS, 12 if you stand still.), better healing (Only as a magic class, much worse healing as stamina compared to sorc), and can last longer in close proximity to enemy players than my sorc can. (This is wrong as well, Sorc has the highest mobility in the game and the BEST PROACTIVE defense. If you are dying faster on sorc than Templar than you likely just need practice playing sorc.)

Everyone needs to stop arguing and actually take a moment to consider the actual points brought up in this thread, we aren't just bashing on SORCS we see an imbalance and would point it out for ANY CLASS. Do I personally want Sorc nerfed? No. I don't even want the shield changed to scale on HP, what we DO WANT however is a review of these mechanics because they are not fair OR a buff to other classes to bring us up to par.

This isn't a Templar vs Sorcerer thread, Templar was only brought up to argue a point about PROACTIVE DEFENSE vs REACTIVE DEFENSE. We are merely emphasizing you can PREEMPT DAMAGE which is BETTER than reacting to heal or cloak or block cause you can keep fighting. How to kill any magic class from stealth -> DMG to CC to death, if they are magic and wearing cloth they likely can be burst down in a few seconds unless you give them time to react.

Ezareth argued earlier Sorcs need those shields cause without them you get insta-gibbed from steath, ironically he didn't even acknowledge that Magic Templar, Magic Dragon Knight and Magic NB are going to be wearing similar armor (cloth) and likely in the same scenario would ALSO BE INSTA-GIBBED because ALL OF THEIR DEFENSES ARE REACTIONARY not PROACTIVE. At least you can PREPARE for the fight before it happens, no one else can. Sorcerer is essentially the Batman of ESO.

Can a Templar use non-class shields? Yes. Will he gain the same benefit as a Sorcerer, not likely. Will anyone gain the same benefit as a Sorc? No because no one has a 20 second huge class shield which scales much higher than other class shields. At the very least shields should only stack 2 at a time, a Major ward and a minor ward like every other buff.

You're wrong about Repentance. The passive regen is not the same as the potion buffs. You're thinking of the other morph that no one uses, because it is completely useless and even than that morph still has the passive regen. The buffs are only when you activate the skill. Channeled Focus is 8 seconds, but it gives the same armor buffs as Bound Armor plus it adds in magic regen and on top of that, it is not a toggle. And you don't have to stand in place to get the benefits.

I need to practice playing my sorc? That's funny. Read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote. I said that my Templar can stand in close proximity to multiple enemy players longer than my sorc can. That is because sorcs have to maintain distance. If that ward goes down, there are very few options for healing. And not all of us are using a resto staff.

I know very few Templars that use light armor. People are always surprised when I tell them I wear 5 light because of how much damage I can mitigate and how much I can live through and keep others alive through. To this day, I have not been successfully ganked on my horse on my Templar. My sorc has been.

And it doesn't matter that a sorc shield cast lasts 20 seconds. It's only going to absorb 8-12k worth of damage, depending on the player. You have to cast it about as frequently as a templar would need to cast Blazing Shield or Harness Magic. But the thing is that a Templar doesn't need to do this, because of healing.

Er let's see

Channeled focus adds regen if you STAND IN THE TINY TINY CIRCLE and last for 8 Seconds

lightning form lasts for 20 seconds, does damage AND grants a speed buff AND last for 20 seconds.

Unless your telling me all pvp fights are static?

No, it doesn't. You get the regen for 8 seconds whether you're in or out of the circle. Go try it.

Actually it now only regens whilst standing in it, got nerfed in the last patch, even the tooltip states.

"Recover x magicka per 0.5 seconds WHILST STANDING IN THE RUNE"

Jesus you people don't have a clue

The only one without a clue here is you. The tooltip is wrong. You recover magic for 8 seconds whether you're in or out. Again, I'm going to tell you to go actually test it instead of making yourself look like a fool.

I have tested it, multiple times, and I don't gain any magicka over my standard recovery stat unless I'm literally standing in the rune, maybe it's a pc exclusive glitch, but on console it works as the tooltip suggests.

zornyan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When did this turn into Templar vs Sorcerer?

Well, I play both and my Templar has multiple skills to increase regen(This is strait up wrong, we have 2. One of which requires bodies to work at all. Also the "passive" effect it gives is the same as a potion and does not stack. And to get the MP from channeled focus we have to recast every 8 seconds. NO ONE ELSE HAS AN ARMOR THAT'S 8 SECONDS, 12 if you stand still.), better healing (Only as a magic class, much worse healing as stamina compared to sorc), and can last longer in close proximity to enemy players than my sorc can. (This is wrong as well, Sorc has the highest mobility in the game and the BEST PROACTIVE defense. If you are dying faster on sorc than Templar than you likely just need practice playing sorc.)

Everyone needs to stop arguing and actually take a moment to consider the actual points brought up in this thread, we aren't just bashing on SORCS we see an imbalance and would point it out for ANY CLASS. Do I personally want Sorc nerfed? No. I don't even want the shield changed to scale on HP, what we DO WANT however is a review of these mechanics because they are not fair OR a buff to other classes to bring us up to par.

This isn't a Templar vs Sorcerer thread, Templar was only brought up to argue a point about PROACTIVE DEFENSE vs REACTIVE DEFENSE. We are merely emphasizing you can PREEMPT DAMAGE which is BETTER than reacting to heal or cloak or block cause you can keep fighting. How to kill any magic class from stealth -> DMG to CC to death, if they are magic and wearing cloth they likely can be burst down in a few seconds unless you give them time to react.

Ezareth argued earlier Sorcs need those shields cause without them you get insta-gibbed from steath, ironically he didn't even acknowledge that Magic Templar, Magic Dragon Knight and Magic NB are going to be wearing similar armor (cloth) and likely in the same scenario would ALSO BE INSTA-GIBBED because ALL OF THEIR DEFENSES ARE REACTIONARY not PROACTIVE. At least you can PREPARE for the fight before it happens, no one else can. Sorcerer is essentially the Batman of ESO.

Can a Templar use non-class shields? Yes. Will he gain the same benefit as a Sorcerer, not likely. Will anyone gain the same benefit as a Sorc? No because no one has a 20 second huge class shield which scales much higher than other class shields. At the very least shields should only stack 2 at a time, a Major ward and a minor ward like every other buff.

You're wrong about Repentance. The passive regen is not the same as the potion buffs. You're thinking of the other morph that no one uses, because it is completely useless and even than that morph still has the passive regen. The buffs are only when you activate the skill. Channeled Focus is 8 seconds, but it gives the same armor buffs as Bound Armor plus it adds in magic regen and on top of that, it is not a toggle. And you don't have to stand in place to get the benefits.

I need to practice playing my sorc? That's funny. Read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote. I said that my Templar can stand in close proximity to multiple enemy players longer than my sorc can. That is because sorcs have to maintain distance. If that ward goes down, there are very few options for healing. And not all of us are using a resto staff.

I know very few Templars that use light armor. People are always surprised when I tell them I wear 5 light because of how much damage I can mitigate and how much I can live through and keep others alive through. To this day, I have not been successfully ganked on my horse on my Templar. My sorc has been.

And it doesn't matter that a sorc shield cast lasts 20 seconds. It's only going to absorb 8-12k worth of damage, depending on the player. You have to cast it about as frequently as a templar would need to cast Blazing Shield or Harness Magic. But the thing is that a Templar doesn't need to do this, because of healing.

Er let's see

Channeled focus adds regen if you STAND IN THE TINY TINY CIRCLE and last for 8 Seconds

lightning form lasts for 20 seconds, does damage AND grants a speed buff AND last for 20 seconds.

Unless your telling me all pvp fights are static?

No, it doesn't. You get the regen for 8 seconds whether you're in or out of the circle. Go try it.

Actually it now only regens whilst standing in it, got nerfed in the last patch, even the tooltip states.

"Recover x magicka per 0.5 seconds WHILST STANDING IN THE RUNE"

Jesus you people don't have a clue

The only one without a clue here is you. The tooltip is wrong. You recover magic for 8 seconds whether you're in or out. Again, I'm going to tell you to go actually test it instead of making yourself look like a fool.

I have tested it, multiple times, and I don't gain any magicka over my standard recovery stat unless I'm literally standing in the rune, maybe it's a pc exclusive glitch, but on console it works as the tooltip suggests.

It´s not a glitch but working as intended. The effects of rune focus stay on you for 8 seconds after leaving the rune.

The tooltip clearly states you only get the magicka buff whilst inside the rune. And only the armor buff has the 8 sec duration

AfkNinja wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Again I will state that I play both a Templar and a Sorcerer and I am very effective with both classes. I use Repentance and Blazing Shield in PVP(Why blazing shield? It's so small...it lasts 6 seconds and any overflow dmg hits you unmitigated...). Until this latest patch, I was using it with 22-23k health (Even worse). The new drink gives me 28k health, so it will be slightly better.

The reason you need to recast either shield is due to taking damage. If I'm just traveling from one place to another, the 20 seconds vs 6 is great, but when you're taking damage the length of time for the shield doesn't make a difference. You have to recast either of the shields every few seconds when you're actually fighting. (Proactive defense means it doesn't matter when the dmg comes, you'll be ready cause your shield is always up. Templar's shield is pathetic and won't even absorb one full WB, btw any dmg from that WB that is over your shield cap hits you unmitigated meaning your armor means nothing if you use Blazing Shield. Instead templars have heals, which require you to take the dmg first to use them, clearly this type of defense is not as efficient as proactive shields. For sorcs it isn't as bad cause you can just recast it before it pops and hardened ward is like 2x-3x better.)

A Sorcerer can only proc frags when casting Hardened Ward if it is on the same bar. Most have an offensive and a defensive bar, which places them opposite of each other. Sure, you can put them on the same bar, but most don't just because it isn't part of a layout that makes sense and is fluid to play. The only setup where that would work is if you have Hardened Ward on both bars, but that is another skill slot that would be better used for something else.

I am not a sorc main so I'll defer to your advice. But I wouldn't put hardened ward on both bars, I'd probly put crystal frags on both bars so no matter what spell I am using I can immediately block cancel to a CF if I want.

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When did this turn into Templar vs Sorcerer?

Well, I play both and my Templar has multiple skills to increase regen(This is strait up wrong, we have 2. One of which requires bodies to work at all. Also the "passive" effect it gives is the same as a potion and does not stack. And to get the MP from channeled focus we have to recast every 8 seconds. NO ONE ELSE HAS AN ARMOR THAT'S 8 SECONDS, 12 if you stand still.), better healing (Only as a magic class, much worse healing as stamina compared to sorc), and can last longer in close proximity to enemy players than my sorc can. (This is wrong as well, Sorc has the highest mobility in the game and the BEST PROACTIVE defense. If you are dying faster on sorc than Templar than you likely just need practice playing sorc.)

Everyone needs to stop arguing and actually take a moment to consider the actual points brought up in this thread, we aren't just bashing on SORCS we see an imbalance and would point it out for ANY CLASS. Do I personally want Sorc nerfed? No. I don't even want the shield changed to scale on HP, what we DO WANT however is a review of these mechanics because they are not fair OR a buff to other classes to bring us up to par.

This isn't a Templar vs Sorcerer thread, Templar was only brought up to argue a point about PROACTIVE DEFENSE vs REACTIVE DEFENSE. We are merely emphasizing you can PREEMPT DAMAGE which is BETTER than reacting to heal or cloak or block cause you can keep fighting. How to kill any magic class from stealth -> DMG to CC to death, if they are magic and wearing cloth they likely can be burst down in a few seconds unless you give them time to react.

Ezareth argued earlier Sorcs need those shields cause without them you get insta-gibbed from steath, ironically he didn't even acknowledge that Magic Templar, Magic Dragon Knight and Magic NB are going to be wearing similar armor (cloth) and likely in the same scenario would ALSO BE INSTA-GIBBED because ALL OF THEIR DEFENSES ARE REACTIONARY not PROACTIVE. At least you can PREPARE for the fight before it happens, no one else can. Sorcerer is essentially the Batman of ESO.

Can a Templar use non-class shields? Yes. Will he gain the same benefit as a Sorcerer, not likely. Will anyone gain the same benefit as a Sorc? No because no one has a 20 second huge class shield which scales much higher than other class shields. At the very least shields should only stack 2 at a time, a Major ward and a minor ward like every other buff.

You're wrong about Repentance. The passive regen is not the same as the potion buffs. You're thinking of the other morph that no one uses, because it is completely useless and even than that morph still has the passive regen. The buffs are only when you activate the skill. Channeled Focus is 8 seconds, but it gives the same armor buffs as Bound Armor plus it adds in magic regen and on top of that, it is not a toggle. And you don't have to stand in place to get the benefits.

I need to practice playing my sorc? That's funny. Read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote. I said that my Templar can stand in close proximity to multiple enemy players longer than my sorc can. That is because sorcs have to maintain distance. If that ward goes down, there are very few options for healing. And not all of us are using a resto staff.

I know very few Templars that use light armor. People are always surprised when I tell them I wear 5 light because of how much damage I can mitigate and how much I can live through and keep others alive through. To this day, I have not been successfully ganked on my horse on my Templar. My sorc has been.

And it doesn't matter that a sorc shield cast lasts 20 seconds. It's only going to absorb 8-12k worth of damage, depending on the player. You have to cast it about as frequently as a templar would need to cast Blazing Shield or Harness Magic. But the thing is that a Templar doesn't need to do this, because of healing.

Er let's see

Channeled focus adds regen if you STAND IN THE TINY TINY CIRCLE and last for 8 Seconds

lightning form lasts for 20 seconds, does damage AND grants a speed buff AND last for 20 seconds.

Unless your telling me all pvp fights are static?

No, it doesn't. You get the regen for 8 seconds whether you're in or out of the circle. Go try it.

Actually it now only regens whilst standing in it, got nerfed in the last patch, even the tooltip states.

"Recover x magicka per 0.5 seconds WHILST STANDING IN THE RUNE"

Jesus you people don't have a clue

The only one without a clue here is you. The tooltip is wrong. You recover magic for 8 seconds whether you're in or out. Again, I'm going to tell you to go actually test it instead of making yourself look like a fool.

I have tested it, multiple times, and I don't gain any magicka over my standard recovery stat unless I'm literally standing in the rune, maybe it's a pc exclusive glitch, but on console it works as the tooltip suggests.

The recovery doesn't show on your Character information.

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When did this turn into Templar vs Sorcerer?

Well, I play both and my Templar has multiple skills to increase regen(This is strait up wrong, we have 2. One of which requires bodies to work at all. Also the "passive" effect it gives is the same as a potion and does not stack. And to get the MP from channeled focus we have to recast every 8 seconds. NO ONE ELSE HAS AN ARMOR THAT'S 8 SECONDS, 12 if you stand still.), better healing (Only as a magic class, much worse healing as stamina compared to sorc), and can last longer in close proximity to enemy players than my sorc can. (This is wrong as well, Sorc has the highest mobility in the game and the BEST PROACTIVE defense. If you are dying faster on sorc than Templar than you likely just need practice playing sorc.)

Everyone needs to stop arguing and actually take a moment to consider the actual points brought up in this thread, we aren't just bashing on SORCS we see an imbalance and would point it out for ANY CLASS. Do I personally want Sorc nerfed? No. I don't even want the shield changed to scale on HP, what we DO WANT however is a review of these mechanics because they are not fair OR a buff to other classes to bring us up to par.

This isn't a Templar vs Sorcerer thread, Templar was only brought up to argue a point about PROACTIVE DEFENSE vs REACTIVE DEFENSE. We are merely emphasizing you can PREEMPT DAMAGE which is BETTER than reacting to heal or cloak or block cause you can keep fighting. How to kill any magic class from stealth -> DMG to CC to death, if they are magic and wearing cloth they likely can be burst down in a few seconds unless you give them time to react.

Ezareth argued earlier Sorcs need those shields cause without them you get insta-gibbed from steath, ironically he didn't even acknowledge that Magic Templar, Magic Dragon Knight and Magic NB are going to be wearing similar armor (cloth) and likely in the same scenario would ALSO BE INSTA-GIBBED because ALL OF THEIR DEFENSES ARE REACTIONARY not PROACTIVE. At least you can PREPARE for the fight before it happens, no one else can. Sorcerer is essentially the Batman of ESO.

Can a Templar use non-class shields? Yes. Will he gain the same benefit as a Sorcerer, not likely. Will anyone gain the same benefit as a Sorc? No because no one has a 20 second huge class shield which scales much higher than other class shields. At the very least shields should only stack 2 at a time, a Major ward and a minor ward like every other buff.

You're wrong about Repentance. The passive regen is not the same as the potion buffs. You're thinking of the other morph that no one uses, because it is completely useless and even than that morph still has the passive regen. The buffs are only when you activate the skill. Channeled Focus is 8 seconds, but it gives the same armor buffs as Bound Armor plus it adds in magic regen and on top of that, it is not a toggle. And you don't have to stand in place to get the benefits.

I need to practice playing my sorc? That's funny. Read what I actually wrote instead of what you think I wrote. I said that my Templar can stand in close proximity to multiple enemy players longer than my sorc can. That is because sorcs have to maintain distance. If that ward goes down, there are very few options for healing. And not all of us are using a resto staff.

I know very few Templars that use light armor. People are always surprised when I tell them I wear 5 light because of how much damage I can mitigate and how much I can live through and keep others alive through. To this day, I have not been successfully ganked on my horse on my Templar. My sorc has been.

And it doesn't matter that a sorc shield cast lasts 20 seconds. It's only going to absorb 8-12k worth of damage, depending on the player. You have to cast it about as frequently as a templar would need to cast Blazing Shield or Harness Magic. But the thing is that a Templar doesn't need to do this, because of healing.

Er let's see

Channeled focus adds regen if you STAND IN THE TINY TINY CIRCLE and last for 8 Seconds

lightning form lasts for 20 seconds, does damage AND grants a speed buff AND last for 20 seconds.

Unless your telling me all pvp fights are static?

No, it doesn't. You get the regen for 8 seconds whether you're in or out of the circle. Go try it.

Actually it now only regens whilst standing in it, got nerfed in the last patch, even the tooltip states.

"Recover x magicka per 0.5 seconds WHILST STANDING IN THE RUNE"

Jesus you people don't have a clue

The only one without a clue here is you. The tooltip is wrong. You recover magic for 8 seconds whether you're in or out. Again, I'm going to tell you to go actually test it instead of making yourself look like a fool.

I have tested it, multiple times, and I don't gain any magicka over my standard recovery stat unless I'm literally standing in the rune, maybe it's a pc exclusive glitch, but on console it works as the tooltip suggests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFK_UQz79RI

Darnathian wrote: »

The amount of bias in this thread is astounding. Seriously telling two players how bad they are for raising some valid concerns is uncalled for. Sure some points could have been made better but they were not countered very well.

Straight up are nb's and sorc's way above DKS and temps? If you say no keep enjoying your opness while it lasts. Because balancing is coming. Zos already confirmed it. Early next year.

And I promise you it is not DKs and Templars that will be brought down to earth. Come live with us mortals and let's see all those L2P comments. Because trust me I will be quoting them.