Maelstrom Arena is Elite Level, not Veteran

Volkodav · November 2015

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Maybe your skill bars are suboptimal, you dont block, you make junk potions, you dont use reflective scales, you dont understand the mechanics...

Im a v16 dragonknight with only 135 cp and I expect to complete it. Why? Because I saw my group get housed on Sanct. Ophidia over and over and over again, until all 12 people finally knew the mechanics by heart and did the right things. It sounds like Maelstrom is the same deal. You go from wiping to completing based on strategy alone.

Goodness,..was this reply informative to anyone? You 'expect' to complete it? In other words you havent yet,right? So why tell the OP that they dont understand the mechanics,that they dont use the reflective scales,that they dont block,or that they make junk potions and their skill bars are suboptimal? Have you actually seen the OP playing yet? If not,how did you come to assume these conclusions. Complete it if you're going to insult the OP,..dont just 'expect' to complete it.

Darnathian · November 2015

wrathofrraath wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

wrathofrraath wrote: »

What exactly is the problem with having an elite level dungeon again ?

It allows only a small fraction of players access to masters weapons. That's why.

They are called Master weapons after all

Ah. Funny. Not.

You must not be a pvper. Go tell the PVP playerbase they will be at a disadvantage because of that.

MLRPZ · November 2015

Practice more ?
patch hit 2 days ago and everybody's crying because he can't do all the content for now. What's your point ? you're waiting to complain that there's no new content ?
I'm more than happy with this new solo challenge

sagitter · November 2015

Thx you, thx you, didn't know i am elite. I did untill stage 7 on first try , about 2 hours, without pts train or guide.

wrathofrraath · November 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

wrathofrraath wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

wrathofrraath wrote: »

What exactly is the problem with having an elite level dungeon again ?

It allows only a small fraction of players access to masters weapons. That's why.

They are called Master weapons after all

Ah. Funny. Not.

You must not be a pvper. Go tell the PVP playerbase they will be at a disadvantage because of that.

Nah PVE. I came to ESO from Dark Souls, so I'm all about Maelstrom the way it is. Sometimes you gotta get rekt to git gud.

Atzel · November 2015

Is this the EGO boost thread ? I hope its the right place.

http://imgur.com/uLogL0i

Obviously the other 2 guys are better players than me and i accept it! ( Or non smokers )
If we can , you can too , if you fail you know the answer right ?
And before you say anything... i dont even have PTS and i HATE PVE!... but i need to do it to gear up.

So how about adding mealstrom weapons in Cyrodiil top2% rewards ? like 5 GOLD ones all mealstrom ? If i can farm 3 in one day in PVE why PvP players should be left behind ?

Soulac · November 2015

I'm totally fine with the difficulty and expect to die if I do something wrong.
What I can't accept is the fact that playing Stamina is way harder than Magicka.
Every boss uses undodgeable AoEs, some of them are not even blockable and on top of that cloak doesn't work since it's a boss mobs.
Didn't play further than stage five since it was already kinda late, but it'd have been much easier if I could use healing ward.
I also stopped to count th amount of times the adds on stage five hitted me through dodge with an uppercut.. What is the point in running a stamina build in PvE if you can't use the defense mechanics given to them?

Will finish arena veteran on my stamina NB as soon as I got enough time, but such one shot mechanics are not exactly fun.

olsborg · November 2015

ye oneshot mechanics are not fun. The arena is abit OP, if you have to die x amount of times, all you do is respawn it to death, wich isnt winning imo.

Docmandu · November 2015

olsborg wrote: »

ye oneshot mechanics are not fun. The arena is abit OP, if you have to die x amount of times, all you do is respawn it to death, wich isnt winning imo.

It is for ZOS, think of all the repair kits they'll sell in the Crown Store!!!

sickboy2808 · November 2015

Am i ever going to be able to finish it as a Tank? I aint rolling another Char. No frigging way ZOS

byrom101b16_ESO · November 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

There's a difference between L2p and 79k dmg in one hit

asneakybanana wrote: »

CarbonHD wrote: »

I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.

Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.

Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.

This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.

Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.

Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.

What purpose and reason? I have no idea.

On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!

Stop complaining and begging for nerfs. Content shouldn't be completed by everyone day 1. I remember when v coa came out there weren't a ton of people who could actually complete it. Now that the mechanics are out and all the strategies it's a cake walk. Same with vICP and vwgt people complained to no end about the difficulty of those 2 dungeons when they first came out and now everyone can do them and they've been out for just over 2 months.

Also you are playing one of the weaker specs in there. Try out a mag nb or mag sorc and it will be far easier. Also on my Dk complete it didn't take me hours and hours and hours. It took me 2 hours and 12 deaths. So I used about 10k in pots and maybe 2k on repairs. So I definitely didn't spend 100k. I will be posting a guide for both sorc and mag Dk within the coming week to help out everyone that's having trouble.

vWGT and vICP both got nerfed so that's not the best example.

And this has already been nerfed twice on the pts. If it had been left as it originally we then I would agree that it's only for elite players since that was actually hard and a real test of people's skill. But now? It's a nice easy hour and a half run that most players that are willing to spend more than 15 minutes in can clear.

Nice and easy 90 mins that most players can clear after 15 minutes practice?

If you are going to be both a forum troll and elitist jerk all at once, at least try to keep your farcical claims within the realms of reality.

hrothbern · November 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

This is about statistics....completion statistics to be exact, which ZOS has readily available. Give it time and they will adjust to game needs based on that info.

And not only the completion rates as such...
but also the improvement of the completion rates...
showing the learning curve of the player base

timidobserver wrote: »

I was planning to wait until the weekend to focus on the arena, but I guess I need to go ahead and do it if I want to experience the intended difficulty. Judging by the amount of whining, next week's forecast is cloudy with an 80% chance of nerfs.

Before anything happens, a nerf or adding more levels, I believe that ZOS should stick to their current balance until the statistics are more conclusive.

and... BTW.... I wonder what the CP is of the whiners. I think that the Maelstrom Arena can only be properly judged on info of 400+ CP players. My character, now 280 CP, will be much much stronger at 501 CP.

And what Undaunted and Alliance level have the whiners? 4-6% on max stats is a lot. When I did this Gauntlet quest in Orsinium (with the priests), it made a hell of a difference when I used "retreating Manoevre" or not.

NinjaApacHe · November 2015

With my magicka NB I went straight to round 3 without dying, then wife called for dinner. Maybe other rounds are terrible, dunno yet.How many rounds in total? I received a reward at 2nd or 3rd, don't remember.

NinjaApacHe · November 2015

Ah, only 1 thing: rewards BoP s**k.

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2015

sagitter wrote: »

Thx you, thx you, didn't know i am elite. I did untill stage 7 on first try , about 2 hours, without pts train or guide.

If you did that you were on normal, not on vet.

PaddingtonBear · November 2015

got up to stage 6 boss, died to silly enrage mechanic. Took me 4 hours to get that fresh on live with only 200+ cp

Ezareth · November 2015

Saturn wrote: »

How far have you gotten?

I've got to the 8th round so far but haven't really had more than a few hours at a time to play it since it was release and haven't even seen what the 8th round looks like.

NovaShadow · November 2015

As a stam nb my only option seems to be to switch to mana. I cannot get past the first boss, my fps/ping are fine but my skills just take longer than usual to go off and I keep taking all the boss's hits at once which insta death from full health. Something funny going on.

Not sure if switching my entire build to mana would make any difference.

Saturn · November 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

How far have you gotten?

I've got to the 8th round so far but haven't really had more than a few hours at a time to play it since it was release and haven't even seen what the 8th round looks like.

As a DK? I have a friend who has gotten to stage 7 (don't know if he passed it after I logged yesterday) on a stam DK. I think DKs might just require a lot more work to bring through compared to other classes, I don't know why though, I mean obviously the DK shield sucks, but maybe it is just lack of people trying it on DKs and just facerolling it on sorcs >.< but out of all the completions only ~6% are DKs..

Sharkano · November 2015

There's a bunch of guys here who are posting how they are doing in Normal mode and think they are in vet, lol.

leandro.800ub17_ESO · November 2015

usmcjdking wrote: »

I'm still waiting for that tank completion...

LOL. I tried and on mobs ok but bosses are designed to be pure dps race (time 1shtop mechanics)

Wycks · November 2015

If ZOS created 3 modes there would be no problems or adjustments.

Normal - For casual players /under geared, etc. Like it is now.
Vet Mode - 3-5x harder than Normal, do-able with a range of specs/builds but still very hard, RNG loot.
Elite mode - Like it is now and guarantees at least a 50% drop for a master weapon and unique title/colors.

Games have levels for a reason, having 2 just makes development balancing harder.

Ezareth · November 2015

Saturn wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

How far have you gotten?

I've got to the 8th round so far but haven't really had more than a few hours at a time to play it since it was release and haven't even seen what the 8th round looks like.

As a DK? I have a friend who has gotten to stage 7 (don't know if he passed it after I logged yesterday) on a stam DK. I think DKs might just require a lot more work to bring through compared to other classes, I don't know why though, I mean obviously the DK shield sucks, but maybe it is just lack of people trying it on DKs and just facerolling it on sorcs >.< but out of all the completions only ~6% are DKs..

This was my magicka sorc. Once I beat it on my Sorc I'll try it on my Stamina NB. I breezed through Stage 8 in about 30 minutes late night before running into the PITA that is the final boss and banging my head against a wall for a few hours.

I do know that reflective scales are amazing in this dungeon because I run sword and board on my magicka Sorc and it is awesome. I can't imagine being able to reflect 4 things in a row with wings although I guess there is no stun attached so maybe it isn't that much better.

Few people who have beaten it so far never tried it in PTS. I'm about 11-12 hours in so far with 3 days of trying it for 3-4 hours. I think from what I see it is very challenging but everyone who tries should be able to complete it if they continue learning the mechanics and improving.

Saturn · November 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

How far have you gotten?

I've got to the 8th round so far but haven't really had more than a few hours at a time to play it since it was release and haven't even seen what the 8th round looks like.

As a DK? I have a friend who has gotten to stage 7 (don't know if he passed it after I logged yesterday) on a stam DK. I think DKs might just require a lot more work to bring through compared to other classes, I don't know why though, I mean obviously the DK shield sucks, but maybe it is just lack of people trying it on DKs and just facerolling it on sorcs >.< but out of all the completions only ~6% are DKs..

This was my magicka sorc. Once I beat it on my Sorc I'll try it on my Stamina NB. I breezed through Stage 8 in about 30 minutes late night before running into the PITA that is the final boss and banging my head against a wall for a few hours.

I do know that reflective scales are amazing in this dungeon because I run sword and board on my magicka Sorc and it is awesome. I can't imagine being able to reflect 4 things in a row with wings although I guess there is no stun attached so maybe it isn't that much better.

Few people who have beaten it so far never tried it in PTS. I'm about 11-12 hours in so far with 3 days of trying it for 3-4 hours. I think from what I see it is very challenging but everyone who tries should be able to complete it if they continue learning the mechanics and improving.

I'd imagine that a sorc would be the easiest class to do it on. The shield stacking is crazy, especially if you do the max magicka pet build, what 30k+ shields that are spammable, lol. I have yet to try it on my DK (veteran that is), but I'll try out the wings. I know my stam dk friend is using that a lot.

Ezareth · November 2015

Saturn wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

How far have you gotten?

I've got to the 8th round so far but haven't really had more than a few hours at a time to play it since it was release and haven't even seen what the 8th round looks like.

As a DK? I have a friend who has gotten to stage 7 (don't know if he passed it after I logged yesterday) on a stam DK. I think DKs might just require a lot more work to bring through compared to other classes, I don't know why though, I mean obviously the DK shield sucks, but maybe it is just lack of people trying it on DKs and just facerolling it on sorcs >.< but out of all the completions only ~6% are DKs..

This was my magicka sorc. Once I beat it on my Sorc I'll try it on my Stamina NB. I breezed through Stage 8 in about 30 minutes late night before running into the PITA that is the final boss and banging my head against a wall for a few hours.

I do know that reflective scales are amazing in this dungeon because I run sword and board on my magicka Sorc and it is awesome. I can't imagine being able to reflect 4 things in a row with wings although I guess there is no stun attached so maybe it isn't that much better.

Few people who have beaten it so far never tried it in PTS. I'm about 11-12 hours in so far with 3 days of trying it for 3-4 hours. I think from what I see it is very challenging but everyone who tries should be able to complete it if they continue learning the mechanics and improving.

I'd imagine that a sorc would be the easiest class to do it on. The shield stacking is crazy, especially if you do the max magicka pet build, what 30k+ shields that are spammable, lol. I have yet to try it on my DK (veteran that is), but I'll try out the wings. I know my stam dk friend is using that a lot.

I don't know any sorc beating it using a pet build. With max magicka of 43K and 100 points into bastion my Hardened ward is up to 19K but my magicka regen is only 904.

I did end up beating it last night and I would call it anything but easy, and I think I could probably do the final fight at least with less difficulty on my NB.

Saturn · November 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

How far have you gotten?

I've got to the 8th round so far but haven't really had more than a few hours at a time to play it since it was release and haven't even seen what the 8th round looks like.

As a DK? I have a friend who has gotten to stage 7 (don't know if he passed it after I logged yesterday) on a stam DK. I think DKs might just require a lot more work to bring through compared to other classes, I don't know why though, I mean obviously the DK shield sucks, but maybe it is just lack of people trying it on DKs and just facerolling it on sorcs >.< but out of all the completions only ~6% are DKs..

This was my magicka sorc. Once I beat it on my Sorc I'll try it on my Stamina NB. I breezed through Stage 8 in about 30 minutes late night before running into the PITA that is the final boss and banging my head against a wall for a few hours.

I do know that reflective scales are amazing in this dungeon because I run sword and board on my magicka Sorc and it is awesome. I can't imagine being able to reflect 4 things in a row with wings although I guess there is no stun attached so maybe it isn't that much better.

Few people who have beaten it so far never tried it in PTS. I'm about 11-12 hours in so far with 3 days of trying it for 3-4 hours. I think from what I see it is very challenging but everyone who tries should be able to complete it if they continue learning the mechanics and improving.

I'd imagine that a sorc would be the easiest class to do it on. The shield stacking is crazy, especially if you do the max magicka pet build, what 30k+ shields that are spammable, lol. I have yet to try it on my DK (veteran that is), but I'll try out the wings. I know my stam dk friend is using that a lot.

I don't know any sorc beating it using a pet build. With max magicka of 43K and 100 points into bastion my Hardened ward is up to 19K but my magicka regen is only 904.

I did end up beating it last night and I would call it anything but easy, and I think I could probably do the final fight at least with less difficulty on my NB.

Easy by comparison is what I meant

And I think the completions pretty much speak to this as sorcerers on NA have twice as many clears as any other class, and DKs lacking behind with 5 (last I checked).

Teiji · November 2015

Saturn wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

How far have you gotten?

I've got to the 8th round so far but haven't really had more than a few hours at a time to play it since it was release and haven't even seen what the 8th round looks like.

As a DK? I have a friend who has gotten to stage 7 (don't know if he passed it after I logged yesterday) on a stam DK. I think DKs might just require a lot more work to bring through compared to other classes, I don't know why though, I mean obviously the DK shield sucks, but maybe it is just lack of people trying it on DKs and just facerolling it on sorcs >.< but out of all the completions only ~6% are DKs..

This was my magicka sorc. Once I beat it on my Sorc I'll try it on my Stamina NB. I breezed through Stage 8 in about 30 minutes late night before running into the PITA that is the final boss and banging my head against a wall for a few hours.

I do know that reflective scales are amazing in this dungeon because I run sword and board on my magicka Sorc and it is awesome. I can't imagine being able to reflect 4 things in a row with wings although I guess there is no stun attached so maybe it isn't that much better.

Few people who have beaten it so far never tried it in PTS. I'm about 11-12 hours in so far with 3 days of trying it for 3-4 hours. I think from what I see it is very challenging but everyone who tries should be able to complete it if they continue learning the mechanics and improving.

I'd imagine that a sorc would be the easiest class to do it on. The shield stacking is crazy, especially if you do the max magicka pet build, what 30k+ shields that are spammable, lol. I have yet to try it on my DK (veteran that is), but I'll try out the wings. I know my stam dk friend is using that a lot.

I don't know any sorc beating it using a pet build. With max magicka of 43K and 100 points into bastion my Hardened ward is up to 19K but my magicka regen is only 904.

I did end up beating it last night and I would call it anything but easy, and I think I could probably do the final fight at least with less difficulty on my NB.

Easy by comparison is what I meant And I think the completions pretty much speak to this as sorcerers on NA have twice as many clears as any other class, and DKs lacking behind with 5 (last I checked).

Better of checking EU leaderboards. http://esoleaderboards.com/index.php?choice=msa

NA is still struggling to catch up to EU in terms of members on the leaderboards.

EU DK 12
NA DK 5
EU NB 53
NA NB 25
EU Sorc 64
NA Sorc 36
EU Templar 25
NA Templar 17

Looks like NA need to L2P.

caperon · November 2015

I've just gave up at last boss after 14 hours in the arena, had 100 lives left, but had enought. I play a magicka DK and the crematorial guards are a pain for me. I only managed to get to the second phase (upper platform) 3 times of like 100 tries. It was my 2nd atempt, first one got to stage 6 - round 4.

I don't think ill come back in the current state: 300+ shards, 100 tripots, 100 spell power pots, CP respect, morph respect and like 20 crown store repair kits (i guess thats the real objective of this insane dificulty). Its just too expensive for me, maybe if i get to the CP cap I'll try again.

I didn't have much fun. Too many 1 shots since stage 5-6, maybe not playing the right build (5 kagrenac-3 willpower - 2 torug - 1 kena). In general my problem has been survive, the incoming damage its just too high.

I'm waiting to see the patch hit consoles....

Shadesofkin · November 2015

CarbonHD wrote: »

I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.

Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.

Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.

This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.

Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.

Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.

What purpose and reason? I have no idea.

On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!

I'm convinced it's a matter of build and skill. I will be...the very best...like no one ever was.

Xantaria · November 2015

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

The patch has been out for one day and there are already several completions, no nerfs needed. It took two full patches for the first hard mode Sanctum clear and you didnt see any of us asking for nerfs to kill it, we just had to get good.

THIS!!!!!