Will DKs ever be buffed back?

Anak14 · November 2015

I was just wondering if the DKs are going to be buffed up again for PvP reasons. We went from one of the best classes to the worst. Wondering because if not i have to start over. Am a vet 6 DK and don't have the time to level up again.

Stoney_McGeee · November 2015

Us Dks can dream.. lets just wish that they fix our broken skills first .

But idk if they will, since people STILL are screaming the nerf gun at us Dks.

wait until talons become unblockable, people will be screaming on the forums they can't run, and its not "fair".

Aunatar · November 2015

Yeah I often hear "Can't duel your class" while dueling people with my stamina DK, because you know.. wrecking blow and defensive stance are so OP DK's skills..

Stoney_McGeee · November 2015

Aunatar wrote: »

Yeah I often hear "Can't duel your class" while dueling people with my stamina DK, because you know.. wrecking blow and defensive stance are so OP DK's skills..

i refuse to go to the WB dark side.. every class is on that ban wagon lol its tempting due to Dk class skills but ill reroll my Dk into a tank before i do that.

OrphanHelgen · November 2015

Already see nerf DK comments before they even get buffed, but lets hope.
They where OP when ult gaining was different and you could constantly have a standard up.. now other classes are buffed to the same level, but DK got nerfed and nerfed so the gap are too huge now. DK pls buff. Very much buff, stamina buff pls since I am stamina and I want best!

dday3six · November 2015

Likely yes, in the coming balance patch DK will be updated. As that's really the issue. DK's were designed around older, no longer existing mechanics.

Jitterbug · November 2015

early next year they said

Armitas · November 2015

The changes to inferno, molten weapons, and stone fist have not been what I would consider a success. They each missed the the mark in at least one core aspect. They are going to rebalance the classes soon, so I really hope they ask for feedback before the pts, otherwise it will be more of the same...changes that fail to live up to their expectations.

If they keep us in the dark until pts releases, like they always do, it will be too late to make changes, to late to get it right, and then we will have to wait another year and a half for another attempt.

Morozov · November 2015

I have really only played a DK since stress testing the server in Beta. I PVP mainly because *** pve, so I cant comment what PVE changes there should be. My one main complaint, and we have all heard it before, is the lack of a class gap closer. I only play magica and I feel needing to switch to SnB or 2HR just to have a closer really limits the ability to create a build I enjoy playing.

Most all the other changes are balancing numerical values so they work well or how an ability should work differently, ut not having a closer is the one thing that has stuck with me since launch.

And before anyone says anything, don't tell me chains was supposed to be the closer because its a dumb ability that's just dumb. If its not fixed "earlier next year" im gonna have to drop the sub or move on the FO4 or something else

Cody · November 2015

All the classes need rebalanced, but not just the classes; all the abilities as well.

AfkNinja · November 2015

Why do DK all hate chains? I mean it gap closes and empowers, Is it cause of the CC immunity?

Forestd16b14_ESO · November 2015

/drinks we can only dream but with all the crying that there is. Like players were crying just cause are talons are no longer blockable imagine how much they cry if we actually got buffed to be valid choice again.

Morozov · November 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

Why do DK all hate chains? I mean it gap closes and empowers, Is it cause of the CC immunity?

yes.....when it actually decides to drag itself out of bed in the morning, make the coffee, get its clothes on, decide its going to work...../facepalms, runs back in the house cause it forgot its keys.....and THEN goes and works.

I stopped using it early on because it was buggy and unreliable and I have never looked back. Is it working 100% of the time now?

EDIT: tbh the only CC immunity I have ever seen come out of chains was when I got CC'd by trying to use it. It kept me in place when I was spamming my keyboard and cursing why it wouldn't work.

EDIT EDIT: Im a bit too critical of my own class, but I have to agree with Cody, the abilities and classes need some reworkin'

AfkNinja · November 2015

To be fair Toppling Charge, Templar's gap closer, has always been bugged as well. Even Crit charge bugs out sometimes. Only NB's Ambush works 100% of the time because it's a teleport not a gap closer.

Armitas · November 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

Why do DK all hate chains? I mean it gap closes and empowers, Is it cause of the CC immunity?

Its unreliable, when it fails to work it fails to work on all targets for a while. If the opponent dodge rolls no gap close happens. When it works its amazing, when it fails it fails hardcore.

hardcore_gmr · November 2015

In my opinion 5 key buffs need to happen for dragon knights. ...

1. Dot skills need their upfront damage increased and their damage over time damage decreased to account for purge and other methods of removing dots.
2. Lava whip needs a serious rework, damage buff and one morph for stamina
3. Igneous weapons needs to drop the charge mechanic and act as a straight execute buff. 150% extra damage on all flame abilities for wounded targets for x seconds..
4. Chains need to be a proper gap closer. It needs to be consistent and it needs to drop cc immunity. It should function like all other gap closers and either pull the target to you or you to the target, they need to pick a direction and stick with it.
5. Buff ultimate regen for the class to fit what an ultimate cost for the game now, not what it cost at release, either that or change the secondary function of the class to be something other than a cool ultimate and a slow ultimate regen machine.

hammayolettuce · November 2015

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willymchilybily · November 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

Why do DK all hate chains? I mean it gap closes and empowers, Is it cause of the CC immunity?

It's terrible because when it doesn't work (target too far above or below you) y axis nerf you can't gap close, normally just as you are chasing fleeing enemy because you have no move speed

When it does work the enemy doesn't always reach you, so often when I do pull some one and they are out of talons range or pulled to my side not in front of me, and get free cc immunity preventing other options

And empowering chains has the worst range of any gap closer I do believe most take other morph due to this

I'll upload vid in this post later

EDIT

https://youtu.be/JUJ8eM7YWws

Cody · November 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

Why do DK all hate chains? I mean it gap closes and empowers, Is it cause of the CC immunity?

Chains is one of the most useless abilities in the game imo. It gives enemies CC immunity when used, preventing a DK from using CCs like petrify and the like to their advantage. It needs to be replaced with something else.

Personofsecrets · November 2015

There are plans for DK's to be re-balanced. This could just lead to more nerfs though.

1Grumpy_dunmer1 · November 2015

willymchilybily wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Why do DK all hate chains? I mean it gap closes and empowers, Is it cause of the CC immunity?

It's terrible because when it doesn't work (target too far above or below you) y axis nerf you can't gap close, normally just as you are chasing fleeing enemy because you have no move speed

When it does work the enemy doesn't always reach you, so often when I do pull some one and they are out of talons range or pulled to my side not in front of me, and get free cc immunity preventing other options

And empowering chains has the worst range of any gap closer I do believe most take other morph due to this

I'll upload vid in this post later

EDIT
https://youtu.be/JUJ8eM7YWws

LOL i play a magicka dk too and have suffered through those same glitches funny to see them. My whole group starts laughing like crazy when i get that major expedition X100!

Draxys · November 2015

hardcore_gmr wrote: »

In my opinion 5 key buffs need to happen for dragon knights. ...

1. Dot skills need their upfront damage increased and their damage over time damage decreased to account for purge and other methods of removing dots.
2. Lava whip needs a serious rework, damage buff and one morph for stamina
3. Igneous weapons needs to drop the charge mechanic and act as a straight execute buff. 150% extra damage on all flame abilities for wounded targets for x seconds..
4. Chains need to be a proper gap closer. It needs to be consistent and it needs to drop cc immunity. It should function like all other gap closers and either pull the target to you or you to the target, they need to pick a direction and stick with it.
5. Buff ultimate regen for the class to fit what an ultimate cost for the game now, not what it cost at release, either that or change the secondary function of the class to be something other than a cool ultimate and a slow ultimate regen machine.

Lots of agree, except on lava whip. You know they will take the good one and make it stam. I've been saying all along, they need to have certain skills that scale off of your highest stat. It solves the problem and doesn't take a good morph away from half the class population.

TheNephilimCrow · November 2015

Honestly, I keep hearing from in game players that say they love DKs. They aren't having any issues at all. Not to be that guy or anything, but... could this be a L2P issue versus a Buff issue? I am pretty active in the PvP scene and anyone I talk to regarding this loves Dragon Knights.

Draxys · November 2015

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Honestly, I keep hearing from in game players that say they love DKs. They aren't having any issues at all. Not to be that guy or anything, but... could this be a L2P issue versus a Buff issue? I am pretty active in the PvP scene and anyone I talk to regarding this loves Dragon Knights.

This is mostly about magicka DK. Stamina DK is in a much better spot than magicka right now.

TheNephilimCrow · November 2015

Draxys wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Honestly, I keep hearing from in game players that say they love DKs. They aren't having any issues at all. Not to be that guy or anything, but... could this be a L2P issue versus a Buff issue? I am pretty active in the PvP scene and anyone I talk to regarding this loves Dragon Knights.

This is mostly about magicka DK. Stamina DK is in a much better spot than magicka right now.

Now that I think about it, I don't recall them mentioning which one they ran as. I know a few of them are Magicka. Idk. Maybe its how they play. Could just be a personal preference issue.

TheNephilimCrow · November 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

To be fair Toppling Charge, Templar's gap closer, has always been bugged as well. Even Crit charge bugs out sometimes. Only NB's Ambush works 100% of the time because it's a teleport not a gap closer.

On behalf of the Nightblades, this isn't true. There are times where Ambush/Lotus Fan doesn't work. If someone is even slightly higher then you in PvP, you won't always connect or teleport. Also, if someone dodge rolls as soon as you do it, you will just do the animation of you teleporting, but not actually teleporting. Nothing works 100% of the time. Stick with the Lysol saying "Kills 99.99% of Bacteria".

Jade1986 · November 2015

Draxys wrote: »

hardcore_gmr wrote: »

In my opinion 5 key buffs need to happen for dragon knights. ...

1. Dot skills need their upfront damage increased and their damage over time damage decreased to account for purge and other methods of removing dots.
2. Lava whip needs a serious rework, damage buff and one morph for stamina
3. Igneous weapons needs to drop the charge mechanic and act as a straight execute buff. 150% extra damage on all flame abilities for wounded targets for x seconds..
4. Chains need to be a proper gap closer. It needs to be consistent and it needs to drop cc immunity. It should function like all other gap closers and either pull the target to you or you to the target, they need to pick a direction and stick with it.
5. Buff ultimate regen for the class to fit what an ultimate cost for the game now, not what it cost at release, either that or change the secondary function of the class to be something other than a cool ultimate and a slow ultimate regen machine.

Lots of agree, except on lava whip. You know they will take the good one and make it stam. I've been saying all along, they need to have certain skills that scale off of your highest stat. It solves the problem and doesn't take a good morph away from half the class population.

So much that, I agree your offensive abilities need to scale off of your highest stat.

alduiin · November 2015

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Already see nerf DK comments before they even get buffed, but lets hope.
They where OP when ult gaining was different and you could constantly have a standard up.. now other classes are buffed to the same level, but DK got nerfed and nerfed so the gap are too huge now. DK pls buff. Very much buff, stamina buff pls since I am stamina and I want best!

Dk was op yes but that was when scales reflected unlimited projectiles because of the ult gain u got from it that's why they were op.
And people (non vet noobs) never understood that if they see wings on a dk they keep shooting arrows at him and feeding ult, so basically the bad players got punished before for being bad which is a good thing.

eliisra · November 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

There are plans for DK's to be re-balanced. This could just lead to more nerfs though.

Sadly. They been nerfing DK's on a monthly basis for 1.5 year now, why stop?

I predict:
Molten Weapons = Mega Nerf, because someone from ZoS HQ watched heavy stealth attacks in a video made by Alcast. Failing to understand that it's actually broken Camo Hunter instagibbing vampires over and over.

Helping Hands = Minor nerf. Becuse DK can still block more than your average NB bowturd.

Take Flight = Does high dmg if you're a stamina build. Still allows you to fly up and clear bowturds from keep walls. I predict a a nerf here to.

Have fun with your DK's after next "balancing patch"

amgaladhb16_ESO · November 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

Why do DK all hate chains? I mean it gap closes and empowers, Is it cause of the CC immunity?

In addition to all the comments above the empower provided by those chain only give a buff to stamina ability and not all ability or magicka ability which would make senses as it s a magicka ability

hardcore_gmr · November 2015

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Honestly, I keep hearing from in game players that say they love DKs. They aren't having any issues at all. Not to be that guy or anything, but... could this be a L2P issue versus a Buff issue? I am pretty active in the PvP scene and anyone I talk to regarding this loves Dragon Knights.

I love both my dragon knights, magic and stamina, but with magic dk so many damage skills are dot based which can be purged or negated....this leaves magic dk with low damage output and forced to spam lava whip.

Draxys wrote: »

hardcore_gmr wrote: »

In my opinion 5 key buffs need to happen for dragon knights. ...

1. Dot skills need their upfront damage increased and their damage over time damage decreased to account for purge and other methods of removing dots.
2. Lava whip needs a serious rework, damage buff and one morph for stamina
3. Igneous weapons needs to drop the charge mechanic and act as a straight execute buff. 150% extra damage on all flame abilities for wounded targets for x seconds..
4. Chains need to be a proper gap closer. It needs to be consistent and it needs to drop cc immunity. It should function like all other gap closers and either pull the target to you or you to the target, they need to pick a direction and stick with it.
5. Buff ultimate regen for the class to fit what an ultimate cost for the game now, not what it cost at release, either that or change the secondary function of the class to be something other than a cool ultimate and a slow ultimate regen machine.

Lots of agree, except on lava whip. You know they will take the good one and make it stam. I've been saying all along, they need to have certain skills that scale off of your highest stat. It solves the problem and doesn't take a good morph away from half the class population.

I'll take either morph, both are good. There is a fundamental problem with skills that scale off your highest stat and that is that it completely makes the other resource pool useless. .. especially for stamina because then everything would scale off that. Using the highest stat is akin to moving toward a one resource game and while that sounds great for stamina users it really hurts magic users because their are non skills, like rolling and break free, that require stamina and these would leave magic in min/max hell as they would have the abilities but not enough stamina to properly defend themselves. Truthfully the best solution is a third morph for all class skills....but that seems like wishful thinking at this point...so the next best thing would be to give molten whip to stamina users and give it a heal similar to burning embers and this way magic dk doesn't get hit as hard by losing that skill.