Maelstrom Arena. One Shots =/= Challenging Content

Anhedonie · November 2015

Arena is a buggy mess. Lag spikes and freezes, weapon swap bug, pulling through block...ugh.

rordogg · November 2015

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

Nifty2g · November 2015

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

rordogg · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

Whoa didn't realize we had a badass here. Didn't really sound like one since you were complaining.

Nifty2g · November 2015

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

Whoa didn't realize we had a badass here. Didn't really sound like one since you were complaining.

I guess you failed to read the OP and understand what this thread was about? That's fine though

rordogg · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

Whoa didn't realize we had a badass here. Didn't really sound like one since you were complaining.

I guess you failed to read the OP and understand what this thread was about? That's fine though

Read it just fine. You're upset you got one shot lol.

rordogg · November 2015

"I want content to be challenging, but I don't want to be punished when I am missing something or doing something wrong" is basically what it sounds like you are trying to say.

Nifty2g · November 2015

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

Whoa didn't realize we had a badass here. Didn't really sound like one since you were complaining.

I guess you failed to read the OP and understand what this thread was about? That's fine though

Read it just fine. You're upset you got one shot lol.

Because one shots are a challenge, right?

usmcjdking · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

Whoa didn't realize we had a badass here. Didn't really sound like one since you were complaining.

I guess you failed to read the OP and understand what this thread was about? That's fine though

Read it just fine. You're upset you got one shot lol.

Because one shots are a challenge, right?

I don't mind one shots.

I mind one shots when it's tied directly to not doing enough damage.

Takllin · November 2015

usmcjdking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

Whoa didn't realize we had a badass here. Didn't really sound like one since you were complaining.

I guess you failed to read the OP and understand what this thread was about? That's fine though

Read it just fine. You're upset you got one shot lol.

Because one shots are a challenge, right?

I don't mind one shots.

I mind one shots when it's tied directly to not doing enough damage.

Question, have you done the arena yet? If so, how far did you get?

rordogg · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

Whoa didn't realize we had a badass here. Didn't really sound like one since you were complaining.

I guess you failed to read the OP and understand what this thread was about? That's fine though

Read it just fine. You're upset you got one shot lol.

Because one shots are a challenge, right?

I don't mind being one shot for doing something wrong, that's the point of making it a challenge. Once you nerf that we begin the process of making it a faceroll like every other piece of content in this game.

rordogg · November 2015

Can you not see how contradictory and stupid that is? Your asking for challenging content. But you don't wanna die when you mess up. You're asking them to make it seem challenging without instantly punishing you for f***** up.

Nifty2g · November 2015

rordogg wrote: »

Can you not see how contradictory and stupid that is? Your asking for challenging content. But you don't wanna die when you mess up. You're asking them to make it seem challenging without instantly punishing you for f***** up.

It's only really challenging past stage 5 dude because of the one shot mechanics, apart from stage 8 that's easier than round 1. The one shots and bugs kick in starting on round 6/7 and 9. Sometimes 5 can be pretty bad

I assume you haven't even tried it though

rordogg · November 2015

You even just said right there it only starts getting challenging when the one shot mechanics are introduced... And no I haven't got to yet but I plan to the second it releases on console. Just hoping it doesn't get Nerfed before I get to give it a go.

usmcjdking · November 2015

Takllin wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

Whoa didn't realize we had a badass here. Didn't really sound like one since you were complaining.

I guess you failed to read the OP and understand what this thread was about? That's fine though

Read it just fine. You're upset you got one shot lol.

Because one shots are a challenge, right?

I don't mind one shots.

I mind one shots when it's tied directly to not doing enough damage.

Question, have you done the arena yet? If so, how far did you get?

Frozen Rink. I got destroyed so badly by the boss that I'm honestly not going to try it again until I get the following -

- Health stat buff
- Health recovery buf
- Sun Shield reverted to launch
- Blinding Flashes back

Ezareth · November 2015

usmcjdking wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

rordogg wrote: »

It's people like you that ruined how challenging this game used to be. Leveling and going through all the veteran areas used to be such a challenge back right when the game launched. Now it's a faceroll and so boring it's not even worth going back through again. Please don't give into this zos. I'd like to have atleast one challenging solo experience to play through.

People like me? I've almost beaten it lol, just making it a little easier for players like you unless you want to get facerolled one round 1?

Whoa didn't realize we had a badass here. Didn't really sound like one since you were complaining.

I guess you failed to read the OP and understand what this thread was about? That's fine though

Read it just fine. You're upset you got one shot lol.

Because one shots are a challenge, right?

I don't mind one shots.

I mind one shots when it's tied directly to not doing enough damage.

Question, have you done the arena yet? If so, how far did you get?

Frozen Rink. I got destroyed so badly by the boss that I'm honestly not going to try it again until I get the following -

- Health stat buff
- Health recovery buf
- Sun Shield reverted to launch
- Blinding Flashes back

Try running sword and board with reflect and use whatever AoE you can muster one the mobs. The boss is a slow hitting pansy that you can just move out of the way of his attacks and never get hit. No need to dodge roll or anything else. It is I feel the biggest DPS phase out of the 7 I've played so far though.

Nifty2g · November 2015

So having beaten arena, I'm going to say the one shots.

The one shots kick in around round 5, the boss does a lot of stuns and the fear into wrecking blow is a thing, it's unavoidable also CC immunity bypasses this boss, not sure if intended. It's not too bad but it's a thing. Round 6 even when you throw the sacks on her and turn her green her spit still can hit for 79k and bypasses that mechanic (i think). Round 7 the boss tends to hit you with scream before the shield is up and if you're not using hardened ward this will one shot regardless it normally hits you twice before the bubble goes up. Round 9 when using the portal to go up top you sometimes become stunned and bar locked unable to move and get knocked straight off. Sometimes when behind the barrier it will knock you down and kill you instantly in the lava.

That's my report of one shots.

Anhedonie · November 2015

Okay, ZOS, what the ***?
Start watching at 45 sec.

https://youtu.be/YBr7AJEzmGw

Xantaria · November 2015

l2p

Xjcon · November 2015

Going to repost this thread and note page 6 when this hits console. I'll be ready with many L2P responses as those players start to make their own whine threads.

Nifty2g · November 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

Going to repost this thread and note page 6 when this hits console. I'll be ready with many L2P responses as those players start to make their own whine threads.

Not really an L2P issue when broken mechanics one shot you

Xjcon · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Going to repost this thread and note page 6 when this hits console. I'll be ready with many L2P responses as those players start to make their own whine threads.

Not really an L2P issue when broken mechanics one shot you

Just noting the other players telling you to L2P when they haven't been in there themselves. I agree with you about the one shot mechanics.

Takllin · November 2015

Anhedonie wrote: »

Okay, ZOS, what the ***?
Start watching at 45 sec.
https://youtu.be/YBr7AJEzmGw

Your shield was down, you have only 15k health. You got hit by two attacks and the water becomes electrified and deals insane damage. Just got unlucky there. That's not an unreasonable or broken mechanic like the others.

Anhedonie · November 2015

Takllin wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Okay, ZOS, what the ***?
Start watching at 45 sec.
https://youtu.be/YBr7AJEzmGw

Your shield was down, you have only 15k health. You got hit by two attacks and the water becomes electrified and deals insane damage. Just got unlucky there. That's not an unreasonable or broken mechanic like the others.

Well, that man-eating plant is pulling me. Why I got hit by these auto-aimed missles? I mean what the hell, where is logic here?

On a serious note, I agree now. It's just hard not to be pissed off after spending 5 hours on that stage.
Well,at least I managed to get to the 8th stage on NB.

Dymence · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

So having beaten arena, I'm going to say the one shots.

The one shots kick in around round 5, the boss does a lot of stuns and the fear into wrecking blow is a thing, it's unavoidable also CC immunity bypasses this boss, not sure if intended. It's not too bad but it's a thing. Round 6 even when you throw the sacks on her and turn her green her spit still can hit for 79k and bypasses that mechanic (i think). Round 7 the boss tends to hit you with scream before the shield is up and if you're not using hardened ward this will one shot regardless it normally hits you twice before the bubble goes up. Round 9 when using the portal to go up top you sometimes become stunned and bar locked unable to move and get knocked straight off. Sometimes when behind the barrier it will knock you down and kill you instantly in the lava.

That's my report of one shots.

Sounds pretty much like a bunch of bugs to me. So much for the one shots.

So all they need to do is sort out their game and fix the bugs, not change the arena in how it mechanically works.

Nifty2g · November 2015

Dymence wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

So having beaten arena, I'm going to say the one shots.

The one shots kick in around round 5, the boss does a lot of stuns and the fear into wrecking blow is a thing, it's unavoidable also CC immunity bypasses this boss, not sure if intended. It's not too bad but it's a thing. Round 6 even when you throw the sacks on her and turn her green her spit still can hit for 79k and bypasses that mechanic (i think). Round 7 the boss tends to hit you with scream before the shield is up and if you're not using hardened ward this will one shot regardless it normally hits you twice before the bubble goes up. Round 9 when using the portal to go up top you sometimes become stunned and bar locked unable to move and get knocked straight off. Sometimes when behind the barrier it will knock you down and kill you instantly in the lava.

That's my report of one shots.

Sounds pretty much like a bunch of bugs to me. So much for the one shots.

So all they need to do is sort out their game and fix the bugs, not change the arena in how it mechanically works.

Well those are the one shots I've been talking about but l2mechanic

and they are the unavoidable one shots I've been talking about
The one that really gets me is when the boss enrages during an attack he will hit you during a cast with the enraged damage

Farorin · November 2015

Challenging is good, being one shot unavoidable is just plain not fun. I haven't played maelstrom a whole lot yet, so I have yet to come across being one shot, but if that was the case, I can see the point.

Dymence · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

So having beaten arena, I'm going to say the one shots.

The one shots kick in around round 5, the boss does a lot of stuns and the fear into wrecking blow is a thing, it's unavoidable also CC immunity bypasses this boss, not sure if intended. It's not too bad but it's a thing. Round 6 even when you throw the sacks on her and turn her green her spit still can hit for 79k and bypasses that mechanic (i think). Round 7 the boss tends to hit you with scream before the shield is up and if you're not using hardened ward this will one shot regardless it normally hits you twice before the bubble goes up. Round 9 when using the portal to go up top you sometimes become stunned and bar locked unable to move and get knocked straight off. Sometimes when behind the barrier it will knock you down and kill you instantly in the lava.

That's my report of one shots.

Sounds pretty much like a bunch of bugs to me. So much for the one shots.

So all they need to do is sort out their game and fix the bugs, not change the arena in how it mechanically works.

Well those are the one shots I've been talking about but l2mechanic and they are the unavoidable one shots I've been talking about
The one that really gets me is when the boss enrages during an attack he will hit you during a cast with the enraged damage

Also something that's been bothering me, Nifty, correct me if I'm wrong but..

Didn't you say somewhere that the difficulty level of vMA is artifically inflated because they just increased the damage mobs do and their health by a ton and that this is a bad way of creating challenging content? Whilst at the same time your nightmare mode concept rests on this very principle? Maybe I'm just getting someone mixed up here, I'm not entirely sure anymore.

Nifty2g · November 2015

Dymence wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

So having beaten arena, I'm going to say the one shots.

The one shots kick in around round 5, the boss does a lot of stuns and the fear into wrecking blow is a thing, it's unavoidable also CC immunity bypasses this boss, not sure if intended. It's not too bad but it's a thing. Round 6 even when you throw the sacks on her and turn her green her spit still can hit for 79k and bypasses that mechanic (i think). Round 7 the boss tends to hit you with scream before the shield is up and if you're not using hardened ward this will one shot regardless it normally hits you twice before the bubble goes up. Round 9 when using the portal to go up top you sometimes become stunned and bar locked unable to move and get knocked straight off. Sometimes when behind the barrier it will knock you down and kill you instantly in the lava.

That's my report of one shots.

Sounds pretty much like a bunch of bugs to me. So much for the one shots.

So all they need to do is sort out their game and fix the bugs, not change the arena in how it mechanically works.

Well those are the one shots I've been talking about but l2mechanic and they are the unavoidable one shots I've been talking about
The one that really gets me is when the boss enrages during an attack he will hit you during a cast with the enraged damage

Also something that's been bothering me, Nifty, correct me if I'm wrong but..

Didn't you say somewhere that the difficulty level of vMA is artifically inflated because they just increased the damage mobs do and their health by a ton and that this is a bad way of creating challenging content? Whilst at the same time your nightmare mode concept rests on this very principle? Maybe I'm just getting someone mixed up here, I'm not entirely sure anymore.

Theres a difference though, read the first part of my OP, the release of the dungeons were perfect, you also have a healer buffing and being able to take damage etc
But throwing 1 person into a solo instance with this amount of damage it's a bit lazy and seems highly untested like they threw a percentage increase from normal and said that'll do without testing it

If you fail to understand the difference that's fine I'm not going to argue nor do I want to, it's easy to mob control when you have a 30k shield that absorbs both physical and magic damage. However I feel like this is a toxic playstyle but that's just me.

I did read that you cleared on your templar

This run took 2 hours and 40 minutes, and I had 49 deaths in total.

The same that went for the DK also goes for templar, the fact that I've never played one in endgame etc etc.

This is while you've been clearing and no deathing on a sorc, you finished around the same time I did but I finished with 454 lives. There is a huge difference between shield stacking sorc and other classes as you have clearly stated

FMonk · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

So having beaten arena, I'm going to say the one shots.

The one shots kick in around round 5, the boss does a lot of stuns and the fear into wrecking blow is a thing, it's unavoidable also CC immunity bypasses this boss, not sure if intended. It's not too bad but it's a thing. Round 6 even when you throw the sacks on her and turn her green her spit still can hit for 79k and bypasses that mechanic (i think). Round 7 the boss tends to hit you with scream before the shield is up and if you're not using hardened ward this will one shot regardless it normally hits you twice before the bubble goes up. Round 9 when using the portal to go up top you sometimes become stunned and bar locked unable to move and get knocked straight off. Sometimes when behind the barrier it will knock you down and kill you instantly in the lava.

That's my report of one shots.

That's not how the Round 6 mechanic works. You don't throw the grenades at the boss, you use them to clear the cobwebs from the pillars, and if you get all of them uncovered it freezes the boss and any adds for ~20 seconds and resets her enrage timer.