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Vet maelstrom "Balanced" for all classes
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MrGrimey✭✭✭✭✭It's Ironic... People didn't want dueling and pvp arenas because "this game isn't balanced for 1v1 and small scale pvp" and it would lead to nerfs.
But we get a solo PVE arena that is definitely going to lead to people crying for nerfs9 -
AlcastClass Representativebyrom101b16_ESO wrote: »sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »Easy to see just how unbalanced classes really are.
NO.
What this makes clear is that the arena favours ranged magicka mixed with high sustain.
You don't claim a monkey is more OP than a fish when the contest is tree climbing...
... and yet some fools try to...
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✭Don't nerf Sorcs or NB, just buff Dk and Templars to get on the same level again.
DK (I don't play templar) was a great class in PvE and PvP but they nerfed them straight to the ground for a good amount of time now.
No, I don't want the loot to get thrown at me but I also don't want to think: "Yeah, I made it with my Dk in 4 hours! Oh boy, look at that Sorc doing it in 1h..." for most of the time.
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Teiji✭✭✭✭✭Class Leaderboards but Arena isn't balanced differently for each class?
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willymchilybily✭✭✭✭so these leader boards make no sense. how can some one finish with 345 score and another 367545.
can you lose points? I'm actually surprised so few have completed the vet arena? how often does the website update.PSN - WarpPigeon - Guild: TheSyndicate - EU, Ebonheart PactDragon Knight [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Magicka] - 720 - Flawless ConquerorTemplar [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofDragon Knight [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Stamina] - 7200 -
Sithisvoid✭✭✭✭✭That's why they split the leader boards into classes because they knew the arena was Imbalanced as all hell. Think about that it means they already knew, did nothing and pushed it out anyway.Edited by Sithisvoid on November 4, 2015 4:50PM9 -
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✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »Eu so much better then NA
That has always been an interesting fact. It makes me wonder what the odd variable out is that causes that difference.Rest in Peace:
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Don't nerf Sorcs or NB, just buff Dk and Templars to get on the same level again.
DK (I don't play templar) was a great class in PvE and PvP but they nerfed them straight to the ground for a good amount of time now.
No, I don't want the loot to get thrown at me but I also don't want to think: "Yeah, I made it with my Dk in 4 hours! Oh boy, look at that Sorc doing it in 1h..." for most of the time.
Yep Been saying this for a while now. +1 Templars might have good heals but you can't really full on dps while healing effectively2 -
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✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »Eu so much better then NA
That has always been an interesting fact. It makes me wonder what the odd variable out is that causes that difference.
1. Many EU players mastered it on the pts so that they could have the experience to help others get through it.
2. Many NA players mastered on the pts so they can complete it on day one and then tell everyone that hasn't completed how bad they are.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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ZO$$ is like we want to be different than other MMO's oh wait we don't want to work or be creative we will favor magica caster builds and make them OP :^)1
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✭✭✭I think the variable is that EU has a higher population overall. Or at least a higher population of seasoned vets/hardcore players. Nothing concrete to base this off of, just a hunch based on several observations.0 -
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✭It's impossible to balance a single piece of content for all classes. Each class is too specialized. Instead of making certain arenas really easy for one build and hard for another, they just made it hard for everyone.
Instead of making topics like this, why don't you post suggestions. I have yet to see a single suggestion on how to actually balance this for everyone.0 -
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✭✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »It's impossible to balance a single piece of content for all classes. Each class is too specialized. Instead of making certain arenas really easy for one build and hard for another, they just made it hard for everyone.
Instead of making topics like this, why don't you post suggestions. I have yet to see a single suggestion on how to actually balance this for everyone.
Here's my suggestion: Release group content for end-game in an MMO for people to work together, not solo content for people to complain about what classes are OP. Them thinking that solo end game content was more important than end-game group content (which is sorely lacking) is very troubling to me.
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Daveheart✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »Eu so much better then NA
That has always been an interesting fact. It makes me wonder what the odd variable out is that causes that difference.
1. Many EU players mastered it on the pts so that they could have the experience to help others get through it.
2. Many NA players mastered on the pts so they can complete it on day one and then tell everyone that hasn't completed how bad they are.
While I feel your points generalize too much, there is a trend in attitudes and playstyles. I'm sure EU has lost many of its competitive raiders as well, but NA had only three guilds actively raiding regularly last patch and only one making any attempt to compete with EU scores. There really aren't a lot of helpful group communities left on the NA side that would help each other. EU seems to have a healthier raiding community (not just in this game). And yes, even though I have noticed helpful comments here and there, a lot of the talk about Maelstrom is trash talk instead of constructive (NA).
Personally, I haven't thrown my name on the board yet because I don't really enjoy it. I don't play this game for competitive solo content and to shout about what I did; I prefer working in group content to be proud of what we did. I would enjoy this so much more if there'd been solo, duo, and 4-man options on Maelstrom.Daggerfall Covenant (PC-NA)
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✭How are stamplars doing there?Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!0 -
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✭They should not only balance it to all classes, but also towards all roles! Tanks want their arena too.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU4 -
Daveheart✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »Eu so much better then NA
That has always been an interesting fact. It makes me wonder what the odd variable out is that causes that difference.
1. Many EU players mastered it on the pts so that they could have the experience to help others get through it.
2. Many NA players mastered on the pts so they can complete it on day one and then tell everyone that hasn't completed how bad they are.
And then you have the players from both servers who don't complete it or anything competitively but feel the need to talk trash and troll.Daggerfall Covenant (PC-NA)
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cazlonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »Easy to see just how unbalanced classes really are.
NO.
What this makes clear is that the arena favours ranged magicka mixed with high sustain.
You don't claim a monkey is more OP than a fish when the contest is tree climbing...
... and yet some fools try to...
If all the relevant content is tree climbing then those "fools" just might have a point. Sorcs are gods in Cyrodiil and vMA, the two areas that matter at the moment. Trials aren't a thing currently, IC is dead and questing, well, a cat could do that facerolling the keyboard.
Of course the combination of high ranged damage and high sustain should already light a warning sign...that rarely works out balance wise.5 -
Suru✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »Eu so much better then NA
That has always been an interesting fact. It makes me wonder what the odd variable out is that causes that difference.
1. Many EU players mastered it on the pts so that they could have the experience to help others get through it.
2. Many NA players mastered on the pts so they can complete it on day one and then tell everyone that hasn't completed how bad they are.
While I feel your points generalize too much, there is a trend in attitudes and playstyles. I'm sure EU has lost many of its competitive raiders as well, but NA had only three guilds actively raiding regularly last patch and only one making any attempt to compete with EU scores. There really aren't a lot of helpful group communities left on the NA side that would help each other. EU seems to have a healthier raiding community (not just in this game). And yes, even though I have noticed helpful comments here and there, a lot of the talk about Maelstrom is trash talk instead of constructive (NA).
Personally, I haven't thrown my name on the board yet because I don't really enjoy it. I don't play this game for competitive solo content and to shout about what I did; I prefer working in group content to be proud of what we did. I would enjoy this so much more if there'd been solo, duo, and 4-man options on Maelstrom.
Duo content/trial would have been great. I love the arena but don't have the time to do it and when I do there are more important things to do. This is an MM[ultiplayer]O.
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They should not only balance it to all classes, but also towards all roles! Tanks want their arena too.
Trinity roles are for group content not solo content.timidobserver wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »Eu so much better then NA
That has always been an interesting fact. It makes me wonder what the odd variable out is that causes that difference.
1. Many EU players mastered it on the pts so that they could have the experience to help others get through it.
2. Many NA players mastered on the pts so they can complete it on day one and then tell everyone that hasn't completed how bad they are.
While I feel your points generalize too much, there is a trend in attitudes and playstyles. I'm sure EU has lost many of its competitive raiders as well, but NA had only three guilds actively raiding regularly last patch and only one making any attempt to compete with EU scores. There really aren't a lot of helpful group communities left on the NA side that would help each other. EU seems to have a healthier raiding community (not just in this game). And yes, even though I have noticed helpful comments here and there, a lot of the talk about Maelstrom is trash talk instead of constructive (NA).
Personally, I haven't thrown my name on the board yet because I don't really enjoy it. I don't play this game for competitive solo content and to shout about what I did; I prefer working in group content to be proud of what we did. I would enjoy this so much more if there'd been solo, duo, and 4-man options on Maelstrom.
This is definitely a more constructive way to say it, but I like my over generalized but shorter way better.
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✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »Eu so much better then NA
That has always been an interesting fact. It makes me wonder what the odd variable out is that causes that difference.
1. Many EU players mastered it on the pts so that they could have the experience to help others get through it.
2. Many NA players mastered on the pts so they can complete it on day one and then tell everyone that hasn't completed how bad they are.
While I feel your points generalize too much, there is a trend in attitudes and playstyles. I'm sure EU has lost many of its competitive raiders as well, but NA had only three guilds actively raiding regularly last patch and only one making any attempt to compete with EU scores. There really aren't a lot of helpful group communities left on the NA side that would help each other. EU seems to have a healthier raiding community (not just in this game). And yes, even though I have noticed helpful comments here and there, a lot of the talk about Maelstrom is trash talk instead of constructive (NA).
Personally, I haven't thrown my name on the board yet because I don't really enjoy it. I don't play this game for competitive solo content and to shout about what I did; I prefer working in group content to be proud of what we did. I would enjoy this so much more if there'd been solo, duo, and 4-man options on Maelstrom.
Duo content/trial would have been great. I love the arena but don't have the time to do it and when I do there are more important things to do. This is an MM[ultiplayer]O.
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Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »Eu so much better then NA
That has always been an interesting fact. It makes me wonder what the odd variable out is that causes that difference.
Regional population size. Note that there is no Asia or Oceanic server.
EDIT: I almost forgot that EU had proper templates and character transfers on PTS while NA was all kinds of messed up. Fengrush wasn't even able to fully test different builds since a lot of it equipment wasn't available. He couldn't even use his normal character on PTS. I think this is why EU is having an easier time initially.Edited by Hiero_Glyph on November 4, 2015 9:56PM0 -
Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »It's impossible to balance a single piece of content for all classes. Each class is too specialized. Instead of making certain arenas really easy for one build and hard for another, they just made it hard for everyone.
Instead of making topics like this, why don't you post suggestions. I have yet to see a single suggestion on how to actually balance this for everyone.
Except it's not a single piece of content but 9 distinct pieces. You would think they would make a couple of arenas to play to the strengths of each class. The data so far is pretty biased though. I guess you can't just heal through damage like so many claim.1 -
Lykurgis✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »2. Many NA players mastered on the pts so they can complete it on day one and then tell everyone that hasn't completed how bad they are.
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AlcastClass Representativetimidobserver wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »Eu so much better then NA
That has always been an interesting fact. It makes me wonder what the odd variable out is that causes that difference.
1. Many EU players mastered it on the pts so that they could have the experience to help others get through it.
2. Many NA players mastered on the pts so they can complete it on day one and then tell everyone that hasn't completed how bad they are.How are stamplars doing there?
first of all, all stam classes are doing bad. Yet I did it with 3 stam classes and my opinion atm is: Stam Sorc> Stam DK > Stam Templarhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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melodeath✭✭✭dont really think this dungeon has much to do with class balance but more with how tedious it is to farm new gear sets in order to build your char to actually be able to complete it.
right now i notice on the parts where i'm stuck that i just need alot more regen and in order to get that i'd have to spend half a million gold to get it. (gold v16 that is)
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