Zavus wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

Doesn't Fengrush have more CP than Meth though? Feel kinda bad for him along with essa, dark syner etc etc.

Fengrush is only at 550 or so.

Dark Syner + Essa though are going to be hurting.

Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up. Yeah Essa is gonna be hurting real bad, and I haven't seen Syner in ages probably grinding CP as we speak.

Im relatively close to meth but definately less. It will take meth roughly 4 mil XP for the next CP level. 3 mil for me currently on PTS.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Pretty sure Meth was 1shotting people with DB + det in 1.6 when burst was a lot stronger, penetration was at an all time high (full pen) and he was emp for like 5 months straight.

Take away those factors and you have a much different scenario.

This ^

Rayste wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

Doesn't Fengrush have more CP than Meth though? Feel kinda bad for him along with essa, dark syner etc etc.

Fengrush is only at 550 or so.

Dark Syner + Essa though are going to be hurting.

If they are skilled players they shouldn't be hurting too badly. Or do you become accustomed to that many CPs? Dunno I only have around 470.

Guesses on the cap?

When I say hurting I only mean they're going to lose significant power. Skill is another matter entirely. I have no doubt essa or Dark Syner will have no problem owning others just as they did back in 1.5, they will only lose the extra advantage CPs have given them at this point. Just math on that.

frozywozy wrote: »

Not gonna lie, the seasonal cap system is not going to make everyone happy but they had to do it. Of course people who grinded CPs or play this game alot or have alts or a combination of some of them have higher than 500 CPs at this point.

It still doesn't change the fact that to make it fair for both casual and hardcore players, the best solution was to introduce a seasonal cap. This way, in the beginning of every season, everyone is pretty much on the same page. End gear of the last season is easier to obtain and with a cap in place, casual players had their chance to catch up. A couple weeks before the end of every season, hardcore players should have an advantage there because they spend more time into the game and are more effective at killing / farming / etc.

The seasonal cap should stay for one or two months max so this way, both casual and hardcore players are happy and get what they deserve at a different period into the season.

EDIT : They should also introduce pvp rating into each season that reset at the end. With high rating, you could buy better seasonal gear (not necessarily different sets of gear but with slightly better stats on them) and at the beginning of the next season, the best gear of the season before would require only AP to buy and no rating anymore to help the casuals catch up. Your rating would be calculated with your kill/death ratio and not the amount of kills total.

I agree that a CP cap was a necessity. Although I feel the CP system as a whole is just another leveling grind, it seems we are stuck with it at this point. Once vet levels are removed, people will complain more about the CP system. How many years will it take to actually max it out? So to that point, CP cap is a necessity. The number they chose should matter little. If they really wanted to 'level' the playing field, the cap would be lower or the catch up mechanism faster. At this point we have no idea that they wont change the XP scale once the next season hits.

I like the idea of pvp rating, but I think it would be very hard to balance a KDR system without having instanced pvp. There are so many intangibles in the massive playground we call cyrodiil. Promoting KDR would promote certain classes over others and would promote certain playstyles: see zerging or stealth play. I couldn't get on board with that. I appreciate the idea though, as planting the seed is important. We need something, I just don't think it is quite that.

I sort of liked what DAOC did. It was touted as a pvp game, much like this one. To support your realm meant constant progression. In ESO, we know that past AR 24 the progression halts. They went more toward an overall progression (meaning pvp and pve) with the CP system. Perhaps they will introduce more progression as more of the console players gain more AR.

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Forcebuster wrote: »

Essa seemed fine with the cp cap, he tested out dropping his cp to the 501 and he could still 1 shot people and do the same thing he always does. I think in the end it is based on your skills more and the build u run. I think he said that he only lost 500 dmg from his jabs he still gets 7k jabs though dunno how

Essa is a wonderful player, and will do just as well as always even with the cap in place.

Again, a thread like this is just humorous to me because everyone seems to think that the only reason why they ever lose is because of CP. Will be funny to see what you all think up next as a means to blame for your downfalls.

So you mean to tell us that all the percentage bumps CP give a player was not the reason Methuselah would kill 8 enemies with two key strokes? Or have Methuselah absorb 10+ guys pounding on him?

BTW send my regards to Empror. Tell him I said he should stop cursing so much.

Meth is a beast, I wouldn't doubt his proxy/dawnbreaker combo hitting for 25k+ without block mitigation. He also didn't have a battle spirit buff for a while, which doubled his shields since 1.7

Meth is indeed a beast. So I'm not sure why people attribute his beastness to purely CP. And yes the battle spirit buff may have been bugging for multiple people, but it's important to remember you actually take more damage this way as well.

Jules wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Forcebuster wrote: »

Essa seemed fine with the cp cap, he tested out dropping his cp to the 501 and he could still 1 shot people and do the same thing he always does. I think in the end it is based on your skills more and the build u run. I think he said that he only lost 500 dmg from his jabs he still gets 7k jabs though dunno how

Essa is a wonderful player, and will do just as well as always even with the cap in place.

Again, a thread like this is just humorous to me because everyone seems to think that the only reason why they ever lose is because of CP. Will be funny to see what you all think up next as a means to blame for your downfalls.

So you mean to tell us that all the percentage bumps CP give a player was not the reason Methuselah would kill 8 enemies with two key strokes? Or have Methuselah absorb 10+ guys pounding on him?

BTW send my regards to Empror. Tell him I said he should stop cursing so much.

Meth is a beast, I wouldn't doubt his proxy/dawnbreaker combo hitting for 25k+ without block mitigation. He also didn't have a battle spirit buff for a while, which doubled his shields since 1.7

Meth is indeed a beast. So I'm not sure why people attribute his beastness to purely CP. And yes the battle spirit buff may have been bugging for multiple people, but it's important to remember you actually take more damage this way as well.

Battle Spirit Bug OP. 40k barrier lulz

Manoekin wrote: »

I still have a picture I made of Meth's bars only containing volatile familiar from like, a long time ago last year lol

I dunno how the question about Essa even came up. He was destroying people with jabs even before CP.

I remember watching Crystalized from a keep wall destroying 50players as emperor with Clouding Swarm, Volatile Familiar explosion and ground oils, was epic.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

Doesn't Fengrush have more CP than Meth though? Feel kinda bad for him along with essa, dark syner etc etc.

Fengrush is only at 550 or so.

Dark Syner + Essa though are going to be hurting.

Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up. Yeah Essa is gonna be hurting real bad, and I haven't seen Syner in ages probably grinding CP as we speak.

Yea Im at about 570 right now. Essa did play for awhile last night with 500 CP and it didnt change much. This has always been the case though as hes tested this before and always remarked how general damage drops off after pretty hard after 600 CP. Its really the added bonus of upkeep and spread defense you start to take into consideration beyond that that gives you more survival potential.

Essa is more than just CP though folks! He has been trained by Lord FENGRUSH himself. He works hard to push out damage and understand the numbers - more than FENGRUSH does. FENGRUSH only taught him how to survive out in the wild!

*gasp*
Does that mean the Essa has bested the sensei !?

frozywozy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I still have a picture I made of Meth's bars only containing volatile familiar from like, a long time ago last year lol

I dunno how the question about Essa even came up. He was destroying people with jabs even before CP.

I remember watching Crystalized from a keep wall destroying 50players as emperor with Clouding Swarm, Volatile Familiar explosion and ground oils, was epic.

I remember the old days where crystalised as emp lost to moon in 1v1 and hiding behind resources just to get suicide ap ticks.