Maelstrom Arena is Elite Level, not Veteran

Sithisvoid · November 2015

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

There's a difference between L2p and 79k dmg in one hit

asneakybanana wrote: »

CarbonHD wrote: »

I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.

Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.

Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.

This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.

Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.

Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.

What purpose and reason? I have no idea.

On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!

Stop complaining and begging for nerfs. Content shouldn't be completed by everyone day 1. I remember when v coa came out there weren't a ton of people who could actually complete it. Now that the mechanics are out and all the strategies it's a cake walk. Same with vICP and vwgt people complained to no end about the difficulty of those 2 dungeons when they first came out and now everyone can do them and they've been out for just over 2 months.

Also you are playing one of the weaker specs in there. Try out a mag nb or mag sorc and it will be far easier. Also on my Dk complete it didn't take me hours and hours and hours. It took me 2 hours and 12 deaths. So I used about 10k in pots and maybe 2k on repairs. So I definitely didn't spend 100k. I will be posting a guide for both sorc and mag Dk within the coming week to help out everyone that's having trouble.

vWGT and vICP both got nerfed so that's not the best example.

Go have a look at the reply i posted on the other thread where you were also QQing about the 79k dmg.

Where are you on the leader-boards again? Oh wait that's right someone mentioned you were not so maybe don't talk out the side of your neck if you can't do it yourself. I'll be waiting to see your spot on the leaderboard when you get down off your high horse.

Soleya · November 2015

talon_vib14_ESO wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't need to beat it in one sitting right? Like you can do stage one and then try two for awhile and if after a couple attempts you keep failing you can log off and try stage two again the next day right? Don't bang your head against the wall for 7 hours straight and come here complaining because your so angry you're shaking. You never go full ***.

You need to beat it in one go. You can't come back later and continue.

Tyrix · November 2015

If you try to rush through it without properly learning the mechanics/get use to em you'll get rekt. L2P issue.

Frenkthevile · November 2015

It's hard if you're not a Sorc. If you're a Sorc, GG.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · November 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

CarbonHD wrote: »

I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.

Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.

Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.

This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.

Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.

Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.

What purpose and reason? I have no idea.

On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!

Stop complaining and begging for nerfs. Content shouldn't be completed by everyone day 1. I remember when v coa came out there weren't a ton of people who could actually complete it. Now that the mechanics are out and all the strategies it's a cake walk. Same with vICP and vwgt people complained to no end about the difficulty of those 2 dungeons when they first came out and now everyone can do them and they've been out for just over 2 months.

Also you are playing one of the weaker specs in there. Try out a mag nb or mag sorc and it will be far easier. Also on my Dk complete it didn't take me hours and hours and hours. It took me 2 hours and 12 deaths. So I used about 10k in pots and maybe 2k on repairs. So I definitely didn't spend 100k. I will be posting a guide for both sorc and mag Dk within the coming week to help out everyone that's having trouble.

Thanks sneaky

Takuto · November 2015

The difficulty you experience varies widely based on your class and specific character build.

If you are playing the correct class, and have the correct build, and the correct amount of champion points, all you have to do is learn the mechanics and you'll be fine with just the basic skills of knowing when to block, dodge, and interrupt.

If you are playing a class and/or build which is not correct, you won't finish this arena, no matter how 'good' you are. Seriously, don't even waste your time. If you are wondering what the incorrect class might be, I suggest peaking at the leader boards, as for the incorrect build... Well if you are asking the question, you are probably the wrong build.

Also, as a hint to anyone already playing the correct class and correct build, yet still having a hard-time figuring out why you are dying. I suggest looking for the very obvious mechanics in the particular stage you are having trouble with, such as the large green circle, suspiciously glowing object, or interruptible telegraph that the boss is doing. If you aren't seeing any of these things, then you are having trouble with one of the easy stages, and you are probably playing a class and/or build which is not correct

Dragonnord · November 2015

Tyrix wrote: »

If you try to rush through it without properly learning the mechanics/get use to em you'll get rekt. L2P issue.

You just read the first word of my original post and then none of the other responses right? Shut it you alien!

Sithisvoid · November 2015

Takuto wrote: »

The difficulty you experience varies widely based on your class and specific character build.

If you are playing the correct class, and have the correct build, and the correct amount of champion points, all you have to do is learn the mechanics and you'll be fine with just the basic skills of knowing when to block, dodge, and interrupt.

If you are playing a class and/or build which is not correct, you won't finish this arena, no matter how 'good' you are. Seriously, don't even waste your time. If you are wondering what the incorrect class might be, I suggest peaking at the leader boards, as for the incorrect build... Well if you are asking the question, you are probably the wrong build.

Also, as a hint to anyone already playing the correct class and correct build, yet still having a hard-time figuring out why you are dying. I suggest looking for the very obvious mechanics in the particular stage you are having trouble with, such as the large green circle, suspiciously glowing object, or interruptible telegraph that the boss is doing. If you aren't seeing any of these things, then you are having trouble with one of the easy stages, and you are probably playing a class and/or build which is not correct

That's the problem you shouldn't have to "play the correct class" to complete content. There are 4 classes and each one should have equal chance. If not then the system is flawed

remilafo · November 2015

CarbonHD wrote: »

I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.

Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.

Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.

This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.

Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.

Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.

What purpose and reason? I have no idea.

On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!

omg the dlc has been out one day and already this..

why don't you try for 1 week straight and then come back with this post.

such impatience.

for the record i've tried vet arena once and completed stage 1 and 2. I quit after cause my wife came home.

I thought the difficulty was just fine.

Dragonnord · November 2015

"That's the problem you shouldn't have to "play the correct class" to complete content. There are 4 classes and each one should have equal chance. If not then the system is flawed"

Agree 100% with you. People is trying to find all type of excuses to say the dungeon is OK how it is.

Xjcon · November 2015

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Carbon is very upset and anxious right now so I will not antagonize him. But isnt everything in this game l2p? If I hand my ps4 controller to someone who's never played eso, they will be completely lost. In what way are you failing? Whatever is causing you a failure almost always has a quick fix solution. Are you getting blasted by lots of npc mages? Reflect those spells. Is the boss hitting you for 80k? Maybe you gotta kill the Horver by the totem to prevent that 80k. I haven't played Maelstrom but I've seen it done on Youtube and it looks replicable.

Priceless!!! The quote "I haven't played Maelstrom but I've seen it done on youtube and it looks replicable" but I will tell others to L2P... I'm sorry. That made me spit my coffee.

Dragonnord · November 2015

remilafo wrote: »

CarbonHD wrote: »

I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.

Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.

Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.

This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.

Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.

Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.

What purpose and reason? I have no idea.

On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!

omg the dlc has been out one day and already this..

why don't you try for 1 week straight and then come back with this post.

such impatience.

for the record i've tried vet arena once and completed stage 1 and 2. I quit after cause my wife came home.

I thought the difficulty was just fine.

Another soul that dodesn't understand I'm not complaining. Never ending story of people reading and understanding whatever they want.

I'm JUST and SIMPLY saying that this would be a different level from veteran, NOTHING else. 0% complaining. I will be still playing it 10.000 times if I need to. OMG!!!

Xjcon · November 2015

talon_vib14_ESO wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't need to beat it in one sitting right? Like you can do stage one and then try two for awhile and if after a couple attempts you keep failing you can log off and try stage two again the next day right? Don't bang your head against the wall for 7 hours straight and come here complaining because your so angry you're shaking. You never go full ***.

You never go full ***? I'm sorry but you can't as far as I know save progress in vet.

Komma · November 2015

Ok, first off i never heard the OP cry for a nerf. I agree with his/her assessment that this is a step above vet level.

I did normal mode with 3 deaths. (2 of them being my controls became unresponsive) It was very easy for the build i have which is the same build I had at vr14. Same equipment and all. It was my Templar in full healer gear.

I consider myself a very good player. Not an elite player since my reaction time has prolly slowed some with my age lol. I do great in group content and very well in solo content. I have almost all classes at vr16 (sorc is vr12).

I made it into the third round on vet and couldnt get past being pulled into the water and having spells hit me at the same time. Almost every death was this way.

I know after I make some adjustments in gear and learn the fights I may one day beat this on my templar. I can probably do better on one of my other classes although I dont ever see my stam DW NB making it very far.

This arena is definitely gonna show off the class imbalance. It will also show off weapon imbalance. Keep all this L2P crap out of this. Most(majority) of players will not be able to get halfway through this arena on vet on a character that they choose to play. There are special players like fengrush that can take several different types of builds through this. Do you tell Scotty Pippen to L2P because he couldnt do what Michael Jordan could do? How about telling a heart surgeon to learn to be a doctor because he cant do brain surgery?

Insulting other players because they cant get this done with a character they like to play doesnt make you a bigger person than them.

Also I would bet that more than half the people playing will never make it through the normal mode of this arena. If you make it through the vet arena consider yourself a great player no matter what class/build you are on. It is very challenging. You shouldnt try and bring others down that arent as good as you. That only brings you down as well.

nimander99 · November 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

ZOS balancing has 2 modes:
- stupendously easy
- nightmare mode

Dood lol! So true!

Xjcon · November 2015

Komma wrote: »

Ok, first off i never heard the OP cry for a nerf. I agree with his/her assessment that this is a step above vet level.

I did normal mode with 3 deaths. (2 of them being my controls became unresponsive) It was very easy for the build i have which is the same build I had at vr14. Same equipment and all. It was my Templar in full healer gear.

I consider myself a very good player. Not an elite player since my reaction time has prolly slowed some with my age lol. I do great in group content and very well in solo content. I have almost all classes at vr16 (sorc is vr12).

I made it into the third round on vet and couldnt get past being pulled into the water and having spells hit me at the same time. Almost every death was this way.

I know after I make some adjustments in gear and learn the fights I may one day beat this on my templar. I can probably do better on one of my other classes although I dont ever see my stam DW NB making it very far.

This arena is definitely gonna show off the class imbalance. It will also show off weapon imbalance. Keep all this L2P crap out of this. Most(majority) of players will not be able to get halfway through this arena on vet on a character that they choose to play. There are special players like fengrush that can take several different types of builds through this. Do you tell Scotty Pippen to L2P because he couldnt do what Michael Jordan could do? How about telling a heart surgeon to learn to be a doctor because he cant do brain surgery?

Insulting other players because they cant get this done with a character they like to play doesnt make you a bigger person than them.

Also I would bet that more than half the people playing will never make it through the normal mode of this arena. If you make it through the vet arena consider yourself a great player no matter what class/build you are on. It is very challenging. You shouldnt try and bring others down that arent as good as you. That only brings you down as well.

Some amazing players posting it's a L2P issue, many of which spent a bunch of time in the PTS. Kind of funny that they are so quick to go on the defence of the difficulty. Most players are just learning this place and getting frustrated so they come hear to vent. The Elite players have their spotlight ATM. Congratulations on being the top players of this game.

No matter how many people are for or against ZOS nerfing this, its going to happen.

Ezareth · November 2015

CarbonHD wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

CarbonHD wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Carbon is very upset and anxious right now so I will not antagonize him. But isnt everything in this game l2p? If I hand my ps4 controller to someone who's never played eso, they will be completely lost. In what way are you failing? Whatever is causing you a failure almost always has a quick fix solution. Are you getting blasted by lots of npc mages? Reflect those spells. Is the boss hitting you for 80k? Maybe you gotta kill the Horver by the totem to prevent that 80k. I haven't played Maelstrom but I've seen it done on Youtube and it looks replicable.

I'm not upset mate. And I agree with you that adjustments and knowing mechanics is the way, as in every dungeon. However, that doesn't removes the fact that this is even too hard for VR16 advanced veterans.

So maybe, if the game had another rank; let's say normal, veteran and elite, this arena would fit, in my humble opinion, on a rank above veteran.

Simply as that.

You're a normal player who thinks he is a "Veteran". Normal mode was designed for you. Veteran Mode was designed for players who want a real challenge.

The issue is one of semantics, not skill.

By the way, you write to Devs then to remove my veteran rank, and also, tell them that a "normal" player completed the 99.9% of their veteran stuff. Maybe be they give me a reward for being so awesome and advanced for a "normal" player.

As I said, you're arguing semantics. You are in fact a normal player and a version of the Arena was designed for your pleasure. If you find the Normal mode of the Arena is perhaps too easy for you, should you not instead be lobbying for it to be buffed to a suitable level of difficulty until you're able to get your big boy britches on and head into Vet mode?

Takuto wrote: »

The difficulty you experience varies widely based on your class and specific character build.

If you are playing the correct class, and have the correct build, and the correct amount of champion points, all you have to do is learn the mechanics and you'll be fine with just the basic skills of knowing when to block, dodge, and interrupt.

If you are playing a class and/or build which is not correct, you won't finish this arena, no matter how 'good' you are. Seriously, don't even waste your time. If you are wondering what the incorrect class might be, I suggest peaking at the leader boards, as for the incorrect build... Well if you are asking the question, you are probably the wrong build.

Also, as a hint to anyone already playing the correct class and correct build, yet still having a hard-time figuring out why you are dying. I suggest looking for the very obvious mechanics in the particular stage you are having trouble with, such as the large green circle, suspiciously glowing object, or interruptible telegraph that the boss is doing. If you aren't seeing any of these things, then you are having trouble with one of the easy stages, and you are probably playing a class and/or build which is not correct

Spoken from someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

Darnathian · November 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

CarbonHD wrote: »

I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.

Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.

Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.

This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.

Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.

Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.

What purpose and reason? I have no idea.

On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!

Stop complaining and begging for nerfs. Content shouldn't be completed by everyone day 1. I remember when v coa came out there weren't a ton of people who could actually complete it. Now that the mechanics are out and all the strategies it's a cake walk. Same with vICP and vwgt people complained to no end about the difficulty of those 2 dungeons when they first came out and now everyone can do them and they've been out for just over 2 months.

Also you are playing one of the weaker specs in there. Try out a mag nb or mag sorc and it will be far easier. Also on my Dk complete it didn't take me hours and hours and hours. It took me 2 hours and 12 deaths. So I used about 10k in pots and maybe 2k on repairs. So I definitely didn't spend 100k. I will be posting a guide for both sorc and mag Dk within the coming week to help out everyone that's having trouble.

Sneaky. They are frustrated. That's all. You are a top 5% player. And it took you 2 hours and 12 deaths. Imagine the average to below average player.

Also. Not a lot of people have every class.

Soleya · November 2015

CarbonHD wrote: »

Another soul that dodesn't understand I'm not complaining. Never ending story of people reading and understanding whatever they want.

I'm JUST and SIMPLY saying that this would be a different level from veteran, NOTHING else. 0% complaining. I will be still playing it 10.000 times if I need to. OMG!!!

I believe that is called a L2R issue.

Dragonnord · November 2015

Komma wrote: »

Ok, first off i never heard the OP cry for a nerf. I agree with his/her assessment that this is a step above vet level.

I did normal mode with 3 deaths. (2 of them being my controls became unresponsive) It was very easy for the build i have which is the same build I had at vr14. Same equipment and all. It was my Templar in full healer gear.

I consider myself a very good player. Not an elite player since my reaction time has prolly slowed some with my age lol. I do great in group content and very well in solo content. I have almost all classes at vr16 (sorc is vr12).

I made it into the third round on vet and couldnt get past being pulled into the water and having spells hit me at the same time. Almost every death was this way.

I know after I make some adjustments in gear and learn the fights I may one day beat this on my templar. I can probably do better on one of my other classes although I dont ever see my stam DW NB making it very far.

This arena is definitely gonna show off the class imbalance. It will also show off weapon imbalance. Keep all this L2P crap out of this. Most(majority) of players will not be able to get halfway through this arena on vet on a character that they choose to play. There are special players like fengrush that can take several different types of builds through this. Do you tell Scotty Pippen to L2P because he couldnt do what Michael Jordan could do? How about telling a heart surgeon to learn to be a doctor because he cant do brain surgery?

Insulting other players because they cant get this done with a character they like to play doesnt make you a bigger person than them.

Also I would bet that more than half the people playing will never make it through the normal mode of this arena. If you make it through the vet arena consider yourself a great player no matter what class/build you are on. It is very challenging. You shouldnt try and bring others down that arent as good as you. That only brings you down as well.

I applaud your post! Simply fantastic. A clear example of someone that can provide an enrouted and constructive opinion instead of a "L2p" nonsense response.

Ezareth · November 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

CarbonHD wrote: »

I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.

Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.

Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.

This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.

Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.

Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.

What purpose and reason? I have no idea.

On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!

Stop complaining and begging for nerfs. Content shouldn't be completed by everyone day 1. I remember when v coa came out there weren't a ton of people who could actually complete it. Now that the mechanics are out and all the strategies it's a cake walk. Same with vICP and vwgt people complained to no end about the difficulty of those 2 dungeons when they first came out and now everyone can do them and they've been out for just over 2 months.

Also you are playing one of the weaker specs in there. Try out a mag nb or mag sorc and it will be far easier. Also on my Dk complete it didn't take me hours and hours and hours. It took me 2 hours and 12 deaths. So I used about 10k in pots and maybe 2k on repairs. So I definitely didn't spend 100k. I will be posting a guide for both sorc and mag Dk within the coming week to help out everyone that's having trouble.

Sneaky. They are frustrated. That's all. You are a top 5% player. And it took you 2 hours and 12 deaths. Imagine the average to below average player.

Also. Not a lot of people have every class.

It took him 2 hours and 12 deaths and God knows how many hours learning it on the PTS. I spent about 3 hours on that garbage PTS char with a weighted staff and got stuck on the 4th arena using a copied crappy build that I've never played. I don't know anyone who has breezed through MAelstrom in two hours without spending at least a good dozen hours learning the mechanics on PTS.

Pallmor · November 2015

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Maybe your skill bars are suboptimal, you dont block, you make junk potions, you dont use reflective scales, you dont understand the mechanics...

Im a v16 dragonknight with only 135 cp and I expect to complete it. Why? Because I saw my group get housed on Sanct. Ophidia over and over and over again, until all 12 people finally knew the mechanics by heart and did the right things. It sounds like Maelstrom is the same deal. You go from wiping to completing based on strategy alone.

Fair enough, but the OP was right, 90+% of players will probably find this a near impossible challenge, at least at first. Keep in mind that a lot of people who will be playing this are solo players who've never even done Dragonstar Arena before, and so aren't very experienced at stuff like learning the mechanics of an arena.

This is not to say that I think it needs to be nerfed or anything, but I do really wish everyone would tone it down with the L2P posts. Just because someone happens to be an elite player who can complete every vet trial with a blindfold on (or so they brag), doesn't mean they have to be a jerk about it when someone else is having problems with it.

Maybe responders should try an encouraging tone and some tips, instead of just spewing out the standard "You suck newb! L2P!" reply. Just a thought.

nothing2591 · November 2015

Vet maelstrom is all about knowing mechanics, once you have 1+ hours spent on each stage u'll think this is a cake walk. Except for them stranglers ofc because that stage is more based on luck if you want a no death run but atleast its an early stage that you can reach in 10minutes

sickboy2808 · November 2015

Im a DK Tank with hardly any DPS so what the heck am i supposed to do? I aint got time to build up a new char as i habe a real life so how on earth am i ever gonna even get past stage 1?????

Caroloces · November 2015

If you are playing a class and/or build which is not correct, you won't finish this arena, no matter how 'good' you are.

If there is truth to this observation, then this is a serious flaw with the game. Every class should be able to complete any content within the game provided that the player has an optimum build, has learned the mechanics of the particular encounter, and has sufficient fluency with abilities and other elements (armor, food buffs, potions, etc) to put them to the most effective use.

ZOS Devs, as part of a regular play-testing regimen and before content is released, should test each class to see that completion is possible. ZOS, do you do this?

Dragonnord · November 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

As I said, you're arguing semantics. You are in fact a normal player and a version of the Arena was designed for your pleasure. If you find the Normal mode of the Arena is perhaps too easy for you, should you not instead be lobbying for it to be buffed to a suitable level of difficulty until you're able to get your big boy britches on and head into Vet mode?

Lobbying it to be buffed to a suitable level? The day of the reading comprehension class at your school you were absent, right? In no post nor opinion in this thread I have requested the arena to be nerfed. OMG! As mentioned above, you may "L2r".

Also, I don't want to nor can change my class as it has been explained above. I have time for just one character, not several VR16 classes as other players have, so if Devs created imbalanced stuff that's then the situation, not a L2p to try to have the PERFECT WARRIOR FOR X CLASS to complete a dungeon.

r = read

Sharkano · November 2015

Funniest question ever asked: "ZOS Devs, as part of a regular play-testing regimen and before content is released, should test each class to see that completion is possible. ZOS, do you do this?"

Xjcon · November 2015

Pallmor wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Maybe your skill bars are suboptimal, you dont block, you make junk potions, you dont use reflective scales, you dont understand the mechanics...

Im a v16 dragonknight with only 135 cp and I expect to complete it. Why? Because I saw my group get housed on Sanct. Ophidia over and over and over again, until all 12 people finally knew the mechanics by heart and did the right things. It sounds like Maelstrom is the same deal. You go from wiping to completing based on strategy alone.

Fair enough, but the OP was right, 90+% of players will probably find this a near impossible challenge, at least at first. Keep in mind that a lot of people who will be playing this are solo players who've never even done Dragonstar Arena before, and so aren't very experienced at stuff like learning the mechanics of an arena.

This is not to say that I think it needs to be nerfed or anything, but I do really wish everyone would tone it down with the L2P posts. Just because someone happens to be an elite player who can complete every vet trial with a blindfold on (or so they brag), doesn't mean they have to be a jerk about it when someone else is having problems with it.

Maybe responders should try an encouraging tone and some tips, instead of just spewing out the standard "You suck newb! L2P!" reply. Just a thought.

That would take away from their Eggo.

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2015

sickboy2808 wrote: »

Im a DK Tank with hardly any DPS so what the heck am i supposed to do? I aint got time to build up a new char as i habe a real life so how on earth am i ever gonna even get past stage 1?????

I took my tank and my dps DKs on it. I recommend for your tank DK spec heavy in magic, if you get to far from the boss he will hit you with a hard hitting projectiles so close the distance, keep reflect up, keep coagulating blood up and spam deep breath as you continuously walk circles around the boss and drop either banner or meteor when he summons his boys. Save your Stam for a roll out dodge incase you get to close to his black hole.

My problem is on level 2. I only completed it by blind luck on one of my DKs. Took FO EVA lol still can't get a solid technique down yet to be "knowledgable" on it. I only made it to the spider and totems. Then had to go. Sigh. I should've have stayed.

Xjcon · November 2015

sickboy2808 wrote: »

Im a DK Tank with hardly any DPS so what the heck am i supposed to do? I aint got time to build up a new char as i habe a real life so how on earth am i ever gonna even get past stage 1?????

Get the gear needed for the builds that are able to complete it. Will be a pain to put it all together and learn what needs to happen. Either that or roll sorc it seems as tho its the easiest class to complete this on.