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Maelstrom Arena is Elite Level, not Veteran
Dragonnord
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I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.
Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.
Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.
This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.
Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.
Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.
What purpose and reason? I have no idea.
On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!
Edited by Dragonnord on November 3, 2015 4:41PM Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.
Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.
This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.
Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.
Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.
What purpose and reason? I have no idea.
On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!
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CavalierPrime✭✭✭✭Maybe your skill bars are suboptimal, you dont block, you make junk potions, you dont use reflective scales, you dont understand the mechanics...
Im a v16 dragonknight with only 135 cp and I expect to complete it. Why? Because I saw my group get housed on Sanct. Ophidia over and over and over again, until all 12 people finally knew the mechanics by heart and did the right things. It sounds like Maelstrom is the same deal. You go from wiping to completing based on strategy alone.18 -
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✭lol if you still think VCoA, VWGT, and VICP are still hard to do.
Especially after Monday's patch.Edited by Scyantific on November 3, 2015 4:26PM7 -
Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The usual "L2p" and other excuses doesn't mean this is veteran. I have completed the 99.9% of veteran stuff in the game. So "L2p"? LOL! Well, maybe learn to play the new elite level of the game. 5 -
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✭✭✭✭Scyantific wrote: »lol if you still think VCoA, VWGT, and VICP are still hard to do.
Especially after Monday's patch.
Wow! A god writing in the forums!!!
They are for the majority of the community. Yes, yes, most of the players need to L2p, right?Edited by Dragonnord on November 3, 2015 4:30PM4 -
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Sharkano✭✭✭✭It is not L2p like the few yo-yo's who have done it (and a few who haven't but want to pontificate on something they know nothing about) claim. It's have the absolute best gear, the most cp, the highest dps (no tanks or healers), fastest twitch skills, and be willing to pay $100,000 in repair bills for dozens of deaths. It is absurdly hard, and ZOS should make it easier asap or lose their customers.4
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✭✭✭✭I'm just saying and believe iZOS balancing has 2 modes:
- stupendously easy
- nightmare mode
Clap, clap, clap! That's my point 100%.
The other responses have nothing to do with my first post.
They think I'm complaining, or that I won't play the vet arena, or won't try to improve my char, or will quit. LOL!
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✭✭✭✭It is not L2p like the few yo-yo's who have done it (and a few who haven't but want to pontificate on something they know nothing about) claim. It's have the absolute best gear, the most cp, the highest dps (no tanks or healers), fastest twitch skills, and be willing to pay $100,000 in repair bills for dozens of deaths. It is absurdly hard, and ZOS should make it easier asap or lose their customers.
It's a L2p issue for players that think are gods or something. It's always a L2p for them when you cannot achieve something and they think you are complaining and so. They can't see out of the "L2p" thing...1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I tried it, its stupidly hard, even if you win, you do it by respawning 10+ times, and thats not winning in my book. (veteran mode)
It also requires you to not use your usual build, you have to change it to something optimized for that exact stage etc, wich imo isnt fun because thats like using a specific build when dueling a sorc or a dk or a stamina or magicka build, wich isnt fun imo.
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✭✭✭✭I was planning to wait until the weekend to focus on the arena, but I guess I need to go ahead and do it if I want to experience the intended difficulty. Judging by the amount of whining, next week's forecast is cloudy with an 80% chance of nerfs.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I tried it, its stupidly hard, even if you win, you do it by respawning 10+ times, and thats not winning in my book. (veteran mode)
It also requires you to not use your usual build, you have to change it to something optimized for that exact stage etc, wich imo isnt fun because thats like using a specific build when dueling a sorc or a dk or a stamina or magicka build, wich isnt fun imo.
Nah! How can you say all of that? I'ts clearly a L2p issue. LOL!
I'm joking! I agree 100% with you, although god players, those genius humans that participate in this forum (aliens maybe as they are so advanced for this world) won't agree with you. For they say it's always a "L2p" situation, never hard, just LEARN TO PLAY!.Edited by Dragonnord on November 3, 2015 4:46PM2 -
Wizzo91✭✭✭✭✭Like I already said on a different thread. I think the difficulty is fine. From my experience there is an imbalance between Stamina (in my Case DK and NB) to Magicka (Sorc). I had such a hard time on pts and never finished it with my two main chars, so I grinded a low vet Sorc to v16 for this patch.
I can advance easier with v14 gear on my Sorc compared to two fully legendary v16 geared stam toons. Stam toons die if you make a mistake. As a sorc you just eat the damage by spamming shields. With v16 gear I should be able to clear it.
Personal Conclusions:
- Stam < Magicka in Solo PVE
- If you play around with the difficulty it will become too easy for some setups
Best Solution IMO: Balance Stam and Magicka in PVE, what will obv. not happen soon enough.
Possible Outcomes:
- ZoS will nerf it, because it is the easy way.
- If not roll a Sorc and deal with it.Edited by Wizzo91 on November 3, 2015 4:48PM[EU]
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✭timidobserver wrote: »I was planning to wait until the weekend to focus on the arena, but I guess I need to go ahead and do it if I want to experience the intended difficulty. Judging by the amount of whining, next week's forecast is cloudy with an 80% chance of nerfs.
I can already imagine the emergency meeting @ ZOS called in by the sales guys...
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CavalierPrime✭✭✭✭Carbon is very upset and anxious right now so I will not antagonize him. But isnt everything in this game l2p? If I hand my ps4 controller to someone who's never played eso, they will be completely lost. In what way are you failing? Whatever is causing you a failure almost always has a quick fix solution. Are you getting blasted by lots of npc mages? Reflect those spells. Is the boss hitting you for 80k? Maybe you gotta kill the Horver by the totem to prevent that 80k. I haven't played Maelstrom but I've seen it done on Youtube and it looks replicable.0
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✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »Carbon is very upset and anxious right now so I will not antagonize him. But isnt everything in this game l2p? If I hand my ps4 controller to someone who's never played eso, they will be completely lost. In what way are you failing? Whatever is causing you a failure almost always has a quick fix solution. Are you getting blasted by lots of npc mages? Reflect those spells. Is the boss hitting you for 80k? Maybe you gotta kill the Horver by the totem to prevent that 80k. I haven't played Maelstrom but I've seen it done on Youtube and it looks replicable.
I'm not upset mate. And I agree with you that adjustments and knowing mechanics is the way, as in every dungeon. However, that doesn't removes the fact that this is even too hard for VR16 advanced veterans.
So maybe, if the game had another rank; let's say normal, veteran and elite, this arena would fit, in my humble opinion, on a rank above veteran.
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Malesotrm isn't difficult, I got to round 7 today without dying on my Templar. I had to quit just because i had to leave to work, you just need to adapt to a different play style for malestorm. It can be hard at time but I still think they should tweak it so it favors melee and ranged classes a like0 -
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✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »Carbon is very upset and anxious right now so I will not antagonize him. But isnt everything in this game l2p? If I hand my ps4 controller to someone who's never played eso, they will be completely lost. In what way are you failing? Whatever is causing you a failure almost always has a quick fix solution. Are you getting blasted by lots of npc mages? Reflect those spells. Is the boss hitting you for 80k? Maybe you gotta kill the Horver by the totem to prevent that 80k. I haven't played Maelstrom but I've seen it done on Youtube and it looks replicable.
I'm not upset mate. And I agree with you that adjustments and knowing mechanics is the way, as in every dungeon. However, that doesn't removes the fact that this is even too hard for VR16 advanced veterans.
So maybe, if the game had another rank; let's say normal, veteran and elite, this arena would fit, in my humble opinion, on a rank above veteran.
Simply as that.
You're a normal player who thinks he is a "Veteran". Normal mode was designed for you. Veteran Mode was designed for players who want a real challenge.
The issue is one of semantics, not skill.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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Dragonnord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »Carbon is very upset and anxious right now so I will not antagonize him. But isnt everything in this game l2p? If I hand my ps4 controller to someone who's never played eso, they will be completely lost. In what way are you failing? Whatever is causing you a failure almost always has a quick fix solution. Are you getting blasted by lots of npc mages? Reflect those spells. Is the boss hitting you for 80k? Maybe you gotta kill the Horver by the totem to prevent that 80k. I haven't played Maelstrom but I've seen it done on Youtube and it looks replicable.
I'm not upset mate. And I agree with you that adjustments and knowing mechanics is the way, as in every dungeon. However, that doesn't removes the fact that this is even too hard for VR16 advanced veterans.
So maybe, if the game had another rank; let's say normal, veteran and elite, this arena would fit, in my humble opinion, on a rank above veteran.
Simply as that.
You're a normal player who thinks he is a "Veteran". Normal mode was designed for you. Veteran Mode was designed for players who want a real challenge.
The issue is one of semantics, not skill.
Really? Why the game allows me then the rank of "veteran" player? In some way you are accepting/agreeing with my first point then. THANKS!!! 2 -
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✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »Carbon is very upset and anxious right now so I will not antagonize him. But isnt everything in this game l2p? If I hand my ps4 controller to someone who's never played eso, they will be completely lost. In what way are you failing? Whatever is causing you a failure almost always has a quick fix solution. Are you getting blasted by lots of npc mages? Reflect those spells. Is the boss hitting you for 80k? Maybe you gotta kill the Horver by the totem to prevent that 80k. I haven't played Maelstrom but I've seen it done on Youtube and it looks replicable.
I'm not upset mate. And I agree with you that adjustments and knowing mechanics is the way, as in every dungeon. However, that doesn't removes the fact that this is even too hard for VR16 advanced veterans.
So maybe, if the game had another rank; let's say normal, veteran and elite, this arena would fit, in my humble opinion, on a rank above veteran.
Simply as that.
You're a normal player who thinks he is a "Veteran". Normal mode was designed for you. Veteran Mode was designed for players who want a real challenge.
The issue is one of semantics, not skill.
By the way, you write to Devs then to remove my veteran rank, and also, tell them that a "normal" player completed the 99.9% of their veteran stuff. Maybe be they give me a reward for being so awesome and advanced for a "normal" player. Edited by Dragonnord on November 3, 2015 5:19PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The usual "L2p" and other excuses doesn't mean this is veteran. I have completed the 99.9% of veteran stuff in the game. So "L2p"? LOL! Well, maybe learn to play the new elite level of the game.
Dude, just play on normal. That difficulty was made for people who whine as opposed to git gud.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.6 -
talon_vib14_ESO✭✭✭Correct me if I'm wrong but you don't need to beat it in one sitting right? Like you can do stage one and then try two for awhile and if after a couple attempts you keep failing you can log off and try stage two again the next day right? Don't bang your head against the wall for 7 hours straight and come here complaining because your so angry you're shaking. You never go full ***.0 -
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Stop complaining and begging for nerfs. Content shouldn't be completed by everyone day 1. I remember when v coa came out there weren't a ton of people who could actually complete it. Now that the mechanics are out and all the strategies it's a cake walk. Same with vICP and vwgt people complained to no end about the difficulty of those 2 dungeons when they first came out and now everyone can do them and they've been out for just over 2 months.I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.
Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.
Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.
This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.
Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.
Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.
What purpose and reason? I have no idea.
On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!
Also you are playing one of the weaker specs in there. Try out a mag nb or mag sorc and it will be far easier. Also on my Dk complete it didn't take me hours and hours and hours. It took me 2 hours and 12 deaths. So I used about 10k in pots and maybe 2k on repairs. So I definitely didn't spend 100k. I will be posting a guide for both sorc and mag Dk within the coming week to help out everyone that's having trouble.Edited by asneakybanana on November 3, 2015 5:31PMAsneakybanana AD DK Former emperor of Chrysamere and Chillrend. World first hardmode Hel'ra and Quake con winner (Alliance rank 25)Sweat Squad
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Sithisvoid✭✭✭✭✭There's a difference between L2p and 79k dmg in one hitasneakybanana wrote: »
Stop complaining and begging for nerfs. Content shouldn't be completed by everyone day 1. I remember when v coa came out there weren't a ton of people who could actually complete it. Now that the mechanics are out and all the strategies it's a cake walk. Same with vICP and vwgt people complained to no end about the difficulty of those 2 dungeons when they first came out and now everyone can do them and they've been out for just over 2 months.I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.
Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.
Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.
This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.
Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.
Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.
What purpose and reason? I have no idea.
On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!
Also you are playing one of the weaker specs in there. Try out a mag nb or mag sorc and it will be far easier. Also on my Dk complete it didn't take me hours and hours and hours. It took me 2 hours and 12 deaths. So I used about 10k in pots and maybe 2k on repairs. So I definitely didn't spend 100k. I will be posting a guide for both sorc and mag Dk within the coming week to help out everyone that's having trouble.
vWGT and vICP both got nerfed so that's not the best example.Edited by Sithisvoid on November 3, 2015 5:48PM5 -
Ara_Valleria✭✭✭✭✭Sithisvoid wrote: »There's a difference between L2p and 79k dmg in one hitasneakybanana wrote: »
Stop complaining and begging for nerfs. Content shouldn't be completed by everyone day 1. I remember when v coa came out there weren't a ton of people who could actually complete it. Now that the mechanics are out and all the strategies it's a cake walk. Same with vICP and vwgt people complained to no end about the difficulty of those 2 dungeons when they first came out and now everyone can do them and they've been out for just over 2 months.I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.
Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.
Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.
This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.
Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.
Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.
What purpose and reason? I have no idea.
On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!
Also you are playing one of the weaker specs in there. Try out a mag nb or mag sorc and it will be far easier. Also on my Dk complete it didn't take me hours and hours and hours. It took me 2 hours and 12 deaths. So I used about 10k in pots and maybe 2k on repairs. So I definitely didn't spend 100k. I will be posting a guide for both sorc and mag Dk within the coming week to help out everyone that's having trouble.
vWGT and vICP both got nerfed so that's not the best example.
Go have a look at the reply i posted on the other thread where you were also QQing about the 79k dmg.°‡° ÁDAMANT °‡°
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asneakybanana✭✭✭✭✭Sithisvoid wrote: »There's a difference between L2p and 79k dmg in one hitasneakybanana wrote: »
Stop complaining and begging for nerfs. Content shouldn't be completed by everyone day 1. I remember when v coa came out there weren't a ton of people who could actually complete it. Now that the mechanics are out and all the strategies it's a cake walk. Same with vICP and vwgt people complained to no end about the difficulty of those 2 dungeons when they first came out and now everyone can do them and they've been out for just over 2 months.I'm a VETERAN 16 DK, played the Maelstrom Arena veteran mode and could barely advance.
Veteran is vCoA, vWGT is veteran and vICP is veteran, already VERY challenging, therefore, I consider Malestrom Arena elite, not veteran.
Imagine I'm a VR1 and I can't complete veteran Maelstrom Arena. It's OK. I grow to VR16, I get VR16 gear and get a lot of CPs. OK, I'm ready. Nope! Still not doable. And when I say "doable" I mean that 1 out of 100 players can do it (1.000 if you like, 10.000?), not 1 out of 1.000.000.
This is elite, a level that hasn't yet be implemented in TESO, not veteran. Maybe a few players out of millions can complete it, same as a poor amateur team sometimes beats Barcelona in a friendly soccer game. Still, that doesn't make that poor amateur team a pro team.
Maelstrom Arena is not veteran, is elite.
Maybe it has been made this hard on purpose because, if it's clear that veteran is vCoA, vWGT and vICP, still not doable for the majority of the veteran players, and you still create something even harder, waaay more harder, it's undoubtly on purpose and with a reason.
What purpose and reason? I have no idea.
On a side note: I have completed normal mode and it was still challenging and fun, so I'm sooo happy!
Also you are playing one of the weaker specs in there. Try out a mag nb or mag sorc and it will be far easier. Also on my Dk complete it didn't take me hours and hours and hours. It took me 2 hours and 12 deaths. So I used about 10k in pots and maybe 2k on repairs. So I definitely didn't spend 100k. I will be posting a guide for both sorc and mag Dk within the coming week to help out everyone that's having trouble.
vWGT and vICP both got nerfed so that's not the best example.
And this has already been nerfed twice on the pts. If it had been left as it originally we then I would agree that it's only for elite players since that was actually hard and a real test of people's skill. But now? It's a nice easy hour and a half run that most players that are willing to spend more than 15 minutes in can clear.Asneakybanana AD DK Former emperor of Chrysamere and Chillrend. World first hardmode Hel'ra and Quake con winner (Alliance rank 25)Sweat Squad
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