runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Give NBs a class heal

they already have 2 ...

More like 4 or 5: Sap essence, Siphoning Strikes, Funnel Health, Reapers Mark/Piercing mark, Soul Tether (or whatever that ulti is called). Here's a broken little trick. Locate a frog, scorpion or snake and reapers mark them. One shot them and heal up. You can apply the same trick to weak targets in pve, or targets you see about to die in pvp. The mark is also very useful as a debuff.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Give NBs a class heal

they already have 2 ...

both suck; your point?

david31741 wrote: »

I rarely lose in a world pvp 1v1 and when I do it is usually due to fumbling something/not being warmed up/getting caught without any stamina to start a fight versus a stamina player - or just straight up out CP'd. Not meaning to sound elitist here... I attribute winning 1v1's due to being geared specifically for my play style and having played solo Templar in PVP a LOT.

My biggest issue with Templar is the lack of Templar burst dps and reliance on Vamp for mobility. I can't kill non newbs from ranged now either due to RD damage nerf and overall dps nerf in general. I'd need to go glass cannon in order to kill with ranged due to everyone having shields/healing.

Templar is in a wierd spot. Personally, I think with everyone having access to heals now-a-days & with the Cyro 50% healing reduction, the Templar class needs a "re-look" with that in mind. Templar was "THE healer" for so long, we can see why ZOS was careful in giving Templar DPS skills.

Templar 1v1 pvp is challenging when you face an evenly matched player on another class.

That is a problem for every class. If you go against a skilled opponent, they are insanely hard to kill in this meta. Doesn't matter the classes anymore because PvP is so slanted towards defense. This is partially due to CP and the removal of softcaps, particularly in regeneration. Pre-2.0, exaggerated burst replaced skill with chance. Now with the damage mitigation, you can forget about killing a skilled opponent in 1v1 outside of a mistake or someone getting a spike of poor Cyrodiil performance.

I admit I didn't read every post but the one thing I am having trouble understanding is if you already knew how 'Templars are' then why on earth would you roll one if you're going to complain about it.

Use your other character or roll a sorc, like how everyone and their dog rolled a Templar at like what, 1.7 (I forget when it was that everyone who was a DK suddenly rolled templars) and do that.

I love being a Templar healer and I have a grip on that fact that being mana based and being rusty on dps with her, my dps will be lower (10-13k on bosses posted after each so I've got witnesses lol) and that's just that. When I played on NA I used my NB for dps and my Templar for healing and tanking pledges and AA (and off tank vdsa but that's not the same)

Maybe it is not ideal but that's how the game is, so that's how it is.

It does suck to have to lvl another character especially for folks who used to be DK then went Templar, with the big hammer Nerfs DKs seemed to have gotten, but it's a game and that's how it is.

I also have a question: I was away a few months, does the camo hunter/evil hunter do something to let you know you're looking at a vamp now? I seem to have missed that in some patch during my absence or I just never realised it...I refer to someone mentioning being instagibbed by camo hunter upon leaving a keep...?

When I have pvp on my Templar I bring speed/invisibility pots and I rush in drop nova and cover the place in blazing shards and gtfo and let my group do their thing while I heal them or vamp bane/Jesus beam/etc where possible. I don't really die much in groups (5-6 people) but I do admit I cannot 1vX - I can and have killed plenty 1v1 in ic who try to gank me, but that's my limit in pvp unless they're really bad.

Anyway...this is how things are now so we kinda have to work with it.

All the best

Edited to correct stupid phone autocorrects

Islyn wrote: »

I admit I didn't read every post but the one thing I am having trouble understanding is if you already knew how 'Templars are' then why on earth would you roll one if you're going to complain about it.

Use your other character or roll a sorc, like how everyone and their dog rolled a Templar at like what, 1.7 (I forget when it was that everyone who was a DK suddenly rolled templars) and do that.

I love being a Templar healer and I have a grip on that fact that being mana based and being rusty on dps with her, my dps will be lower (10-13k on bosses posted after each so I've got witnesses lol) and that's just that. When I played on NA I used my NB for dps and my Templar for healing and tanking pledges and AA (and off tank vdsa but that's not the same)

Maybe it is not ideal but that's how the game is, so that's how it is.

It does suck to have to lvl another character especially for folks who used to be DK then went Templar, with the big hammer Nerfs DKs seemed to have gotten, but it's a game and that's how it is.

I also have a question: I was away a few months, does the camo hunter/evil hunter do something to let you know you're looking at a vamp now? I seem to have missed that in some patch during my absence or I just never realised it...I refer to someone mentioning being instagibbed by camo hunter upon leaving a keep...?

When I have pvp on my Templar I bring speed/invisibility pots and I rush in drop nova and cover the place in blazing shards and gtfo and let my group do their thing while I heal them or vamp bane/Jesus beam/etc where possible. I don't really die much in groups (5-6 people) but I do admit I cannot 1vX - I can and have killed plenty 1v1 in ic who try to gank me, but that's my limit in pvp unless they're really bad.

Anyway...this is how things are now so we kinda have to work with it.

All the best

Edited to correct stupid phone autocorrects

I know what you mean, but... I love Templar's, I won't just abandon my first ever character... and I just like the class overall, but in PvP these days, I'm constantly on edge. It's like... all about timing now, and the wrong ability will most likely cost you your life.

If you check my video here, look at that perfect timing on Healing Ward.... that saved me there, for a few extra seconds...



But saying that, because Healing Ward seems to be my only defensive (along with spamming BoL when I can) then I have to time it right, for the 300%(?) stronger shield at low health. When I get low, I usually, instantly die (because of execute abilities of course...)

I even spent all my gold and a lot of my resins/materials on a 'Bombplar Build' which I tested and tried. I was like 42.5k Health, 15k-ish Magicka, 9.9k Stam, only 1k Magicka Recovery though because I was using food and CP 15% in Bastion, etc. Wearing 5 (heavy) Reactive and 2 health increase Light set, endurance rings, neck, willpower shield & sword...

Anyway, I tried it out for a few hours in Cyrodiil and I tried getting the 'rotation' right apart from spamming Blazing Shield until I had no resources left, I had to spam heavy attacks with the resto staff to maintain and yeah, I couldn't do it. The absorbs were too weak and blazing shield's reflected damage effect weren't working so well against certain players.

So I went back to my usual build (in the video) and since Mobility is the current meta in PvP, it looks like that's one of the only effective build for 1vXing, I don't really know.

I base my play from solo, in groups it obviously shines and does well... as I mainly off-heal any group/player I bump into on my journeys and I've even managed to keep a small group up as they wiped a much larger group, so it's brilliant at times.

Templar's ftw! even in this state... by the way, I might try and get ahold of some invis/speed potions too, so thanks.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Give NBs a class heal

they already have 2 ...

More like 4 or 5: Sap essence, Siphoning Strikes, Funnel Health, Reapers Mark/Piercing mark, Soul Tether (or whatever that ulti is called). Here's a broken little trick. Locate a frog, scorpion or snake and reapers mark them. One shot them and heal up. You can apply the same trick to weak targets in pve, or targets you see about to die in pvp. The mark is also very useful as a debuff.

Sap Essence sucks unless you're fight four plus people and that's just to heal the damage from the one you need to spam it vs large numbers.

Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes) heals you for 2% of your max health with light and heavy attacks only that's power is so far pass unless. Ever with a bow weighted now you will never get a good heal rate come it plus it still has the old 20% damage debuff.

Strife (Funnel Health) heals for 25% of damage done unless your a magic spell damage build that will be 25% of 2k for any stamina build 500~ every two seconds is my health regen.

Mark only matter after they die and the bug to mark insects and deer was patched months ago.

Soul Tether you had it right is a oh sh*t stun and beautiful heal when you hit a few people great as it is it's an Ultimate. My little opinion it's the best Ultimate in the game but I can't lean on it as a heal.

All StamBlades wouldn't run Vigor and Rally both if class heals were good.

Zinaroth wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Hardly much work, I've made enough mats to craft 2 sets of v16 armor, and 6x gold v16 weapons in just a few weeks of playing IC.

Yes, we already know you are the World's best Templar.
However, reading your constant self-adulation in this thread is getting a bit tedious.

All Templars I personally know feel they suck in PvP now.
Half of the Templars I know are now rolling a NB or Sorc because of the Templar frustrations.
But yes, all our sucker problems are certainly not about you, the Templar god in this forum.

What I've posted above is average for anyone that puts a few hours into the game and time manages, most people had full vr16 gear within a few days of IC dropping, it only took myself and everyone I know about 3-4 days to get enough mats to make full gear, that's not including earning *** tons of gold from opening multiple trophy vaults, and having a bit of good rng on drops helped too.

Funny that if you look at all the NB's in other threads, they all agree templars are the hardest class for them to beat, and the class they fear the most....

BTW with my nb i just lol in front of templars. They strike like a wet noodle compared to nb, sorcerers and stam dk. I have no fear in front of a self healing bot because you know, they just heal until they die (except the top 5 templars EU of course). The thing is, an average nb, sorcerer or dk will give me more stress to kill them than a good templar.

When you know that even top templars players rerolled NB or sorcerer (like Ab...us), it's not for nothing. This guy told me "yes, compared to a templar, nb is too easy to play, it's just my one shot build", when i told him that i found him legendary as a temp and "just" another nb now... he agreed. BTW he is a kind guy and one of the best leaders EU. If this guy is nb now while he played temp since launch, you know why

NB is the only class that never kills me, I've been ganked countless times whilst fighting mobs by nbs, so easy to predict, ambush, suprise attack, fear, spam suprise attack with the odd ambush.

My puncturing sweeps takes a good chunk of their health, whilst healing me, along side laying down channeled focus and purifying I've got more armor than them, have multiple heals keeping me topped up, and attacks like dark flare and radiant destruction just brings their health bar down so quick.

One important thing people forget is our main dps skill sweeps, also pulls nb's out of stealth, so the second they turn tail and run (and they all do) just hit that skill and watch as they can't escape...

You play on console. The fact that you even get to use Dark Flare in PvP says more about PvP fighting on console than it does about templar balance. AbraxusExile is a Rank 50 Grand Warlord alliance war Templar who has played since launch, just like me, albeit a lot more focused on PvP than me. Even he agrees that Templars are left in the gutter and rerolled along with so many other Templars. You've played console for a handful of months.

We've all heard how good you are and how easy everything is to you. You've lied to further your point and refused to back anything up with evidence. Once you get counterargued you just pull up some specific scenario as if it serves to state something generally.

It's time you move on and stop posting on this thread. We heard your opinion on the matter, but frankly, you as a player, pale compared to the countless high profile Templar players who shares the opinion that Templars are rock bottom in PvP atm. I think anyone who posted in this thread or are interested in the Templar class balancing are more inclined to listen to those guys and their experience, than what you have to say on the matter.

We already established that PvP on the console is completely different than PvP on the PC. You're entitled to your opinion. You've voiced it. Now please stop drowning this thread with your circumstancial examples and self-praising words.

True. Console players have it way more easier. You wouldn't be able to get a Dark Flare off as much on PC than on console.

It's hard to explain what happens but I know it happens to almost everyone because I've asked/heard the same thing while in large groups

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zornyan wrote: »

What you don't have CC on pc? Jesus you guys got it hard, I mean it's impossible to imagine using something like javelin to knockback someone, and then quickly animation cancel to a dark flare for a strong initial attack....

Cannot animation cancel from spell (Javelin) to spell (Dark Flare). Dark Flare cast point is 1.1s. Projectile flight is 0.3s. Enemy will dodge. Unless you run the stam morph of Javelin on your magicka Templar and the enemy doesn't CC break.