Give Templar's Mobility/Stronger Defense.

pkb16_ESO2

Mumyo wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Maybe that's a pc related bug?

Ah so you play on console? That explains a lot.

The meta game on console is a completely different thing.
People's ability to react isn't as high as on PC.
This creates a battlefield at a way slower pace.

When everything happens at a slower pace some of the issues with templars become less appearent because their problem is that they can't keep up with the other classes because of long cast times and channels, spell animations etc.

TBH I didn't expect a console player to even take part in this discussion since they can't have much experience given it released what, 4 months ago, on console.

EDIT: This is not meant as an offense, people can play on whatever platform they're on. I'm sure console has some areas where content is harder than on PC because lack of addons and reaction time and worse controls.

I've played A LOT since console release, near enough just templars (I've got an nb, sorc and dk too) but 3 templars as I truly belive the class to be most versitle.

I can switch bars to go from a full dps, pulling approx 30k dps in pve, to a full bore healer/buffer that keeps groups alive, or go to a full defence tank that can take a beating.

I personally and others have started threads on pc transfer, I already bought the game on pc to try it and throughly enjoy it, but I don't fancy doing 3 vr16s again, along side gathering all my gear again.

Personally from the experience I had on pc, I found that combat was quicker, merely due to people relying on "cast ultimate now" "execute now" "potion ready" "dodge now"

So although it is slightly wuicker paced, I find that that's more due to people reading text and fighting than the actual pace of things, if anything I would say it makes the templar class harder, as I'm constantly trying to look at the ground and count down timers for things such as entropy, purifying light and channeled focus, so along side fighting I have to count down a minimum of 3 different buffs constantly.

30k dps??????
I say thats bs unless u give me proof of that and when u say dps, u usually speak of single target dmg u can hold for minutes at the same level.

I believe you zornyan, my templar does crazy high damage too, 30k+ Its probably a good thing that people don't believe it really though, with all of these ridiculous nerf threads lately...

I have the feeling that u actually dont know what dps is.

Lol i thought the same.

Solariken

Real mobility would be nice, but there are at least a few janky options like Elusive Mist or Quick Cloak.

Survivability has been really difficult for my magicka templar this patch. I'm still figuring it out. I used to run 5 heavy and Blazing Shield but that build took multiple nerf bombs in the form of no stam regen while blocking, crazy amounts of penetration all the dps are rocking, and Blazing Shield being completely gutted.

I miss Blazing Shield the most though. That skill used to put more fear into people than Proximity Detonation and helped a ton with survivability. Now, it breaks after the first hit and the damage it does is basically non-existent.

You'll pay for your treachery ZOS [shakes fist menacingly].

Elara_Northwind

Mumyo wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Maybe that's a pc related bug?

Ah so you play on console? That explains a lot.

The meta game on console is a completely different thing.
People's ability to react isn't as high as on PC.
This creates a battlefield at a way slower pace.

When everything happens at a slower pace some of the issues with templars become less appearent because their problem is that they can't keep up with the other classes because of long cast times and channels, spell animations etc.

TBH I didn't expect a console player to even take part in this discussion since they can't have much experience given it released what, 4 months ago, on console.

EDIT: This is not meant as an offense, people can play on whatever platform they're on. I'm sure console has some areas where content is harder than on PC because lack of addons and reaction time and worse controls.

I've played A LOT since console release, near enough just templars (I've got an nb, sorc and dk too) but 3 templars as I truly belive the class to be most versitle.

I can switch bars to go from a full dps, pulling approx 30k dps in pve, to a full bore healer/buffer that keeps groups alive, or go to a full defence tank that can take a beating.

I personally and others have started threads on pc transfer, I already bought the game on pc to try it and throughly enjoy it, but I don't fancy doing 3 vr16s again, along side gathering all my gear again.

Personally from the experience I had on pc, I found that combat was quicker, merely due to people relying on "cast ultimate now" "execute now" "potion ready" "dodge now"

So although it is slightly wuicker paced, I find that that's more due to people reading text and fighting than the actual pace of things, if anything I would say it makes the templar class harder, as I'm constantly trying to look at the ground and count down timers for things such as entropy, purifying light and channeled focus, so along side fighting I have to count down a minimum of 3 different buffs constantly.

30k dps??????
I say thats bs unless u give me proof of that and when u say dps, u usually speak of single target dmg u can hold for minutes at the same level.

I believe you zornyan, my templar does crazy high damage too, 30k+ Its probably a good thing that people don't believe it really though, with all of these ridiculous nerf threads lately...

I have the feeling that u actually dont know what dps is.

Thats fine, I care very little whether or not people believe me, It is irrelevant to me, I have no reason at all to lie about it, I would be very happy if we got buffed so that she could do even more! So everybody can keep thinking templar is rubbish if they want to, makes no difference in my life or to my dps

Molag_Crow

Solariken wrote: »

Real mobility would be nice, but there are at least a few janky options like Elusive Mist or Quick Cloak.

Survivability has been really difficult for my magicka templar this patch. I'm still figuring it out. I used to run 5 heavy and Blazing Shield but that build took multiple nerf bombs in the form of no stam regen while blocking, crazy amounts of penetration all the dps are rocking, and Blazing Shield being completely gutted.

I miss Blazing Shield the most though. That skill used to put more fear into people than Proximity Detonation and helped a ton with survivability. Now, it breaks after the first hit and the damage it does is basically non-existent.

You'll pay for your treachery ZOS [shakes fist menacingly].

Agreed.

AfkNinja

SadieJoan wrote: »

Thats fine, I care very little whether or not people believe me, It is irrelevant to me, I have no reason at all to lie about it, I would be very happy if we got buffed so that she could do even more! So everybody can keep thinking templar is rubbish if they want to, makes no difference in my life or to my dps

Just stop. If you aren't going to back up your claims then don't make them. You are not pulling 30k dps in PVP.

Elara_Northwind

AfkNinja wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Thats fine, I care very little whether or not people believe me, It is irrelevant to me, I have no reason at all to lie about it, I would be very happy if we got buffed so that she could do even more! So everybody can keep thinking templar is rubbish if they want to, makes no difference in my life or to my dps

Just stop. If you aren't going to back up your claims then don't make them. You are not pulling 30k dps in PVP.

Not in PvP against other players, no, or course not In PvE though, I won't even comment on the highest dps I have achieved as people didn't even believe the poor guy who said he did 30k!

Zinaroth

SadieJoan wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Thats fine, I care very little whether or not people believe me, It is irrelevant to me, I have no reason at all to lie about it, I would be very happy if we got buffed so that she could do even more! So everybody can keep thinking templar is rubbish if they want to, makes no difference in my life or to my dps

Just stop. If you aren't going to back up your claims then don't make them. You are not pulling 30k dps in PVP.

Not in PvP against other players, no, or course not In PvE though, I won't even comment on the highest dps I have achieved as people didn't even believe the poor guy who said he did 30k!

Then how does it mean anything to this discussion if it isn't PvP related?

Besides you are not pulling 30 DPS single target on a fight that lasts longer than one minute with a Templar. If you are you need to back up your claims with a video or a screenshot. If you can't do that or if you're not willing to do it then everyone in here is in their right to claim that it is a lie. Whether you have a reason to lie about it or not, whether you care about what we think or not.

I personally de-frauded the "poor guy" who said he did 30k DPS. He lied about several things. Just like you're lying right, or at least not telling the whole truth, right now.

AfkNinja

Really wish ZOS would give us some kind of idea that they are even paying attention to these threads.

mklundub17_ESO

AfkNinja wrote: »

Really wish ZOS would give us some kind of idea that they are even paying attention to these threads.

They do, they read everything very carefully, give it much consideration, then decide how they're going to make nightblades more EZ mode.

zornyan

mklundub17_ESO wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Really wish ZOS would give us some kind of idea that they are even paying attention to these threads.

They do, they read everything very carefully, give it much consideration, then decide how they're going to make nightblades more EZ mode.

Yeah I'm sure the incoming cloak nerf is going to make nightblades op.

zornyan

Zinaroth wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Thats fine, I care very little whether or not people believe me, It is irrelevant to me, I have no reason at all to lie about it, I would be very happy if we got buffed so that she could do even more! So everybody can keep thinking templar is rubbish if they want to, makes no difference in my life or to my dps

Just stop. If you aren't going to back up your claims then don't make them. You are not pulling 30k dps in PVP.

Not in PvP against other players, no, or course not In PvE though, I won't even comment on the highest dps I have achieved as people didn't even believe the poor guy who said he did 30k!

Then how does it mean anything to this discussion if it isn't PvP related?

Besides you are not pulling 30 DPS single target on a fight that lasts longer than one minute with a Templar. If you are you need to back up your claims with a video or a screenshot. If you can't do that or if you're not willing to do it then everyone in here is in their right to claim that it is a lie. Whether you have a reason to lie about it or not, whether you care about what we think or not.

I personally de-frauded the "poor guy" who said he did 30k DPS. He lied about several things. Just like you're lying right, or at least not telling the whole truth, right now.

Lol get off your high horse, you keyboard warriors are all the same "waa waa I can't kill this player my class must be gimped and they must be OP! it's not my lack of skill, it's not my lack of willingness to try new things, it's everything else! "

Seriously if you spent half the time you do crying on here like a baby actually trying out some different rotations, gear, skills then you'd be doing a hell of alot better.

Anyway I really hope you l2p soon, don't think the forums can handle much more crying . ...

Zinaroth

zornyan wrote: »

Lol get off your high horse, you keyboard warriors are all the same "waa waa I can't kill this player my class must be gimped and they must be OP! it's not my lack of skill, it's not my lack of willingness to try new things, it's everything else! "

Seriously if you spent half the time you do crying on here like a baby actually trying out some different rotations, gear, skills then you'd be doing a hell of alot better.

Anyway I really hope you l2p soon, don't think the forums can handle much more crying . ...

Zornyan cried, letting his inner troll get the better of him.

zornyan

Zinaroth wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Lol get off your high horse, you keyboard warriors are all the same "waa waa I can't kill this player my class must be gimped and they must be OP! it's not my lack of skill, it's not my lack of willingness to try new things, it's everything else! "

Seriously if you spent half the time you do crying on here like a baby actually trying out some different rotations, gear, skills then you'd be doing a hell of alot better.

Anyway I really hope you l2p soon, don't think the forums can handle much more crying . ...

Zornyan cried, letting his inner troll get the better of him.

I'm one of the many people that aren't crying on here to buff a class that's actually pretty well balanced, in fact I've said that the actual broken issues such as jabs not applying damage buff to shields, or even the constant cc immunity it grants need fixing.

But as a whole the class is versitle, and strong.

With nerfs to cloak incoming and probably sorcs to, the balance will in fact be pretty well rounded.

You are the one crying and acting like a child because you can't win in pvp.

AfkNinja

So you ride in on your high horse and tell all the "keyboard warriors" to get off their high horse....Pot meet Kettle.

Zinaroth

zornyan wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Lol get off your high horse, you keyboard warriors are all the same "waa waa I can't kill this player my class must be gimped and they must be OP! it's not my lack of skill, it's not my lack of willingness to try new things, it's everything else! "

Seriously if you spent half the time you do crying on here like a baby actually trying out some different rotations, gear, skills then you'd be doing a hell of alot better.

Anyway I really hope you l2p soon, don't think the forums can handle much more crying . ...

Zornyan cried, letting his inner troll get the better of him.

I'm one of the many people that aren't crying on here to buff a class that's actually pretty well balanced, in fact I've said that the actual broken issues such as jabs not applying damage buff to shields, or even the constant cc immunity it grants need fixing.

But as a whole the class is versitle, and strong.

With nerfs to cloak incoming and probably sorcs to, the balance will in fact be pretty well rounded.

You are the one crying and acting like a child because you can't win in pvp.

I won't give into your personal abuse.

You call it crying we call it giving constructive feedback to improve the class in areas where it is lacking.

dodgehopper_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Lol get off your high horse, you keyboard warriors are all the same "waa waa I can't kill this player my class must be gimped and they must be OP! it's not my lack of skill, it's not my lack of willingness to try new things, it's everything else! "

Seriously if you spent half the time you do crying on here like a baby actually trying out some different rotations, gear, skills then you'd be doing a hell of alot better.

Anyway I really hope you l2p soon, don't think the forums can handle much more crying . ...

Zornyan cried, letting his inner troll get the better of him.

I'm one of the many people that aren't crying on here to buff a class that's actually pretty well balanced, in fact I've said that the actual broken issues such as jabs not applying damage buff to shields, or even the constant cc immunity it grants need fixing.

But as a whole the class is versitle, and strong.

With nerfs to cloak incoming and probably sorcs to, the balance will in fact be pretty well rounded.

You are the one crying and acting like a child because you can't win in pvp.

There is a big difference between asking for something to be nerfed, and asking for broken elements to be fixed. Eclipse has never been good apart from specific duel usage (vs. some mages). Dueling does not equal PvP as this game is intended. If Eclipse is fairly worthless in all normal aspects of the game, don't you think it should be worked on? Blabafat even agrees on this and has been stated to say he feels it is a balanced class. I note also that he plays the magical healer (some call it tank) build. There are core underlying flaws in game design also that exist outside of class, that directly effect classes (and have always done so). We knew for instance from early beta that the DoT's/HoT's from NB were weak, but we also knew that with a simple tweak of game systems they'd be amazing. Look at NB tanks/magic now. I think the cry to nerf cloak is just as mistaken as it was to nerf shields, blocking and rolling. The underlying game systems are more of a concern. Clashes between cc also make Templar horrible at CC, and the request to deal with this synergy of awfulness has fallen on deaf ears for... as long as the game has been around. Most problems with templar have been around since the doors opened. Some new ones have cropped up though, for instance Templar once had the highest regeneration in beta, and now those regen passives more or less exist in other classes. Blazing Shield is a weak shield, lasts too briefly, and does laughable damage while also being just as expensive as other shields, it also doesn't synchronize with itself like hardened ward for instance (I think hardened ward is bad design though for this). Zornyan you're making way too many assumptions about people. Most of us are trying to spitball ideas that would balance the class in a fair manner, and deal with some of the broken aspects.

Hiero_Glyph

@dodgehopper_ESO

I agree with everything you wrote except the lack of paragraphs. The biggest things Templars have to deal with currently is the CC immunity issue as it cripples many of the Templar's abilities, especially in a group setting.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Thats fine, I care very little whether or not people believe me, It is irrelevant to me, I have no reason at all to lie about it, I would be very happy if we got buffed so that she could do even more! So everybody can keep thinking templar is rubbish if they want to, makes no difference in my life or to my dps

Just stop. If you aren't going to back up your claims then don't make them. You are not pulling 30k dps in PVP.

Not in PvP against other players, no, or course not In PvE though, I won't even comment on the highest dps I have achieved as people didn't even believe the poor guy who said he did 30k!

Then how does it mean anything to this discussion if it isn't PvP related?

Besides you are not pulling 30 DPS single target on a fight that lasts longer than one minute with a Templar. If you are you need to back up your claims with a video or a screenshot. If you can't do that or if you're not willing to do it then everyone in here is in their right to claim that it is a lie. Whether you have a reason to lie about it or not, whether you care about what we think or not.

I personally de-frauded the "poor guy" who said he did 30k DPS. He lied about several things. Just like you're lying right, or at least not telling the whole truth, right now.

Lol get off your high horse, you keyboard warriors are all the same "waa waa I can't kill this player my class must be gimped and they must be OP! it's not my lack of skill, it's not my lack of willingness to try new things, it's everything else! "

Seriously if you spent half the time you do crying on here like a baby actually trying out some different rotations, gear, skills then you'd be doing a hell of alot better.

Anyway I really hope you l2p soon, don't think the forums can handle much more crying . ...

Hooo look ! A L2P response !

So... to be clear, i play since beta with a templar, alongside with a sorcerer. I do have a NB too. With my templar my average K/D ratio ungrouped is 18 (kill 18 ppl for 1 death). With my vamp sorcerer bomber it's more a 30 K/D, with my NB around 35.

Those toons are equally geared and same LVL/CP. I can really see the difference of effectiveness between those. I can clearely see the bad designed passives, broken mecanics, useless/outdated skills and lack of synergies in templar trees everytime i switch between characters.

So please, stop your freaking L2P nonsens. It's not about QQ nerf or anything, it's about having a balanced game you know

Cathexis

Give sorcs Uber heals!! Wait a second.... no..

Hiero_Glyph

Cathexis wrote: »

Give sorcs Uber heals!! Wait a second.... no..

If that means only giving them a 3-4k damage shield then alright, give them heals! Obviously the Sorc has better options than just healing which is why they are so strong (things like extreme mobility, high burst DPS, huge damage shields, no penalty for stacking into a single resource, best ranged DPS in the game, spammable area CC, optional 3rd ability bar, extremely useful ultimates, etc.).

dodgehopper_ESO

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@dodgehopper_ESO

I agree with everything you wrote except the lack of paragraphs. The biggest things Templars have to deal with currently is the CC immunity issue as it cripples many of the Templar's abilities, especially in a group setting.

Sorry, I think I was on my phone when I wrote that. :P

Snowgoons

Compared to every other class Templars are waaaay underpowered. You got people spamming skills getting kills with just one button, sorcs bolt escaping over and over (thought that was nerfed? obviously not enough), nightblades spamming 2 skills and getting kills or if that fails spamming in combat stealth (who the hell makes the balance for characters in this game?), DK talons with no immunity timer, people running into keeps when they are under attack by like 8 people, like wtf is this foolish balance @ZOS? People stacking shields so they are unkillable by full groups while they dance away like a fairy but stick around if they have the upper hand....

@ZOS again : How do you honestly sit back and look at Pvp see people spamming talons over and over see people spamming wrecking blow over and over see people spamming ambush over and over, see people spamming poison injection over and over, and do nothing?

What is the counter to someone spamming bolt escape? You can't kill anyone specially not a sorcerer in this game that takes 5 minutes to kill shield stacking morons... So they bolt some more, like you guys have to be kidding @ZOS

k2blader

^ To dude above, not sure what planet you play on-- only if it's not Earth might I believe sorcs are bolt escape "spamming" away from you effectively. And even then my next question is why then can't you kill him as he'd be out of magicka?

Please stop being a total goon. kthx

zornyan

Simple counter to bolt escape

Use

Toppling charge
Invasion
Critical rush

Or any form of gap closer you chose, even an aurora javelin to knock them down.


They will run out of resources, whilst you're constantly damaging them.

Snowgoons

zornyan wrote: »

Simple counter to bolt escape

Use

Toppling charge
Invasion
Critical rush

Or any form of gap closer you chose, even an aurora javelin to knock them down.


They will run out of resources, whilst you're constantly damaging them.

No...They wont...

Sotha_Sil

zornyan wrote: »

Simple counter to bolt escape

Use

Toppling charge
Invasion
Critical rush

Or any form of gap closer you chose, even an aurora javelin to knock them down.


They will run out of resources, whilst you're constantly damaging them.

Not every sorc runs in a straight line...

zornyan

Snowgoons wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Simple counter to bolt escape

Use

Toppling charge
Invasion
Critical rush

Or any form of gap closer you chose, even an aurora javelin to knock them down.


They will run out of resources, whilst you're constantly damaging them.

No...They wont...

Oh do sorcs have a passive that gives them infinite resources on using a skill that cost more and more the more it's used?

Or is 45k magicka not enough to use toppling charge a few times to keep knocking them down?

Or you know, if a sorc is running away, that means you've beaten them in the fight anyway? Hence why they are trying to escape...

Cody

blinding flashes? that ability frustrated me. It affected me even if i was using ranged attacks:( I do miss it though, both flashes and Sparks. Sparks was VERY fun, and I would much prefer it to return and replace the mostly useless blade cloak

dodgehopper_ESO

Cody wrote: »

blinding flashes? that ability frustrated me. It affected me even if i was using ranged attacks:( I do miss it though, both flashes and Sparks. Sparks was VERY fun, and I would much prefer it to return and replace the mostly useless blade cloak

Sparks actually was pretty cool, and a good way to set an enemy up.

Cody wrote: »

blinding flashes? that ability frustrated me. It affected me even if i was using ranged attacks:( I do miss it though, both flashes and Sparks. Sparks was VERY fun, and I would much prefer it to return and replace the mostly useless blade cloak

I missed sparks as well. I actually had some fun messing around with it in pvp too. There were a few interesting DK Stam builds in pvp that I ran across that used sparks, whips, talons, and igneous/molten weapons.

Runkorko

MrGrimey wrote: »

Give NBs a class heal

they already have 2 ...