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ZOS you hate Templars
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We are about a useful as the animals in eso. Against a NB or a shield stacker we have no chance, healing really we can only do that if we have a tank keeping them away from the healers. ZOS if you ran a healer on pvp you would see instantly what the problems is, so at least the goats don't kill us 
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Actually, to be honest with you, at one time I was fairly sure that the Templar was the reference class against which they balanced all the other classes.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Actually, to be honest with you, at one time I was fairly sure that the Templar was the reference class against which they balanced all the other classes.
This is probably true, but only in that they wanted to make sure all the other classes were better than Templars at everything but burst healing. : /
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PhatGrimReaper✭✭✭✭✭Tbh I like my Templar is PVP atm. I'm squishy as all f***, but the little bugger packs a decent punch. Dark Flare hits pretty hard and the debuff is great. Blazing Spear is awesome for AoE situations and Jabs + Beam is the bad killer of all bad killers. Mobility is a thing, but Elusive Mist is cool if you don't mind being insta ****ed once every three hours or so by camo procs.
All in all I think Magicka Templar is in a better place than Magicka DK for example.Fat Grim Reaper - (m)Dragon Knight AR28
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Baconlad✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well there are deffinetly abilities that should be looked at, such as the reflect we have...great skill against new or unskilled players, but not that use full on pros. It needs to be a mix between sword and shield reflect and dk reflect. Like reflect all abilities melee/ ranged/ stamina/ magicka for a time. It also wouldn't be bad if we could cast I on ourselves instead of on the enemy...OR MAKE it so it cannot be broken out of or make it give the enemy a buff not allowing you to cast it again on the same character for a certain time.
. now blazing shield. Almost useless for pvp now. Give us a blazing shield morph that scales off of magick of stamina based on highest stat, and one that scales off of health. The health one being radiant ward, the magick stamina one being blazing. Also lower the shield nerf a tad...current nerf nullifies all but sorcs.
. we want blind mechanics back...that skill was awesome, and dw blind was replaced by a dumb 40% movement speed buff...really?
. fix aura, so that it can stack with potions, or give us a repentence that gives magicka back as well as a morph for stamina
. restoring focus morph could use some help
. and a few more unused morphs. But lets face it, all classes have em. I think templars are In a good spot even with the skills that are badly designed0 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭They don't hate templars, they just want them to be healbots... hoo wait no, they nerfed class heals and synergies between healing staff and healing tree passives. So yeah, they don't bother with us because you know... BREATHE OF LIFE is fineEdited by contact.opiumb16_ESO on November 2, 2015 10:42AM1
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭I think zeni as joined the assassins creed guild, so that is why the hate templars.
Seriously, I don't understand why they ignore certain class bugs,fix or buff. They waste their time in doing content rather than fixing class, bugs,lags and loading screen. If this continues then I dont think there will be many ( or anyone) of us interested in playing this game anymore. I know many( or few of the remaining fans) will disagree but its true.Edited by Van_0S on November 2, 2015 10:52AM0 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »I think zeni as joined the assassins creed guild, so that is why the hate templars.
Seriously, I don't understand why they ignore certain class bugs,fix or buff. They waste their time in doing content rather than fixing class, bugs,lags and loading screen. If this continues then I dont think there will be many ( or anyone) of us interested in playing this game anymore. I know many( or few of the remaining fans) will disagree but its true.
well i do enjoy this game even if it is very baddly unbalanced. To be honnest i play since beta, stopped playing for months and came back with ESOTU because it's free. I will not give them any more euros until they seriously rework the game mecanics and balances between classes.0 -
OrphanHelgen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Templars are the best healers in game.
They have one of the best skills ingame both aoe and single target and CC, the jabs.
This also have a stamina morph.
Stamina templars get extremly good stats, 6% wpn dmg and 10% more crit dmg.
Its unique.
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GilGalad✭✭✭✭✭I'm playing my Templar since IC to get a magicka deto. Before I played a sorcerer (rank 24) and played for caltrops on a DK, a stamplar and a stam NB.
I specced my Templar for solo/small scale, playing dual wield/S&B. I made some duels against one of the best stamina NBs I know (Iliatha von Avalon), who has about 700 CP more than me and I won if I didn't make any mistake. With equal CPs and a bit more training it would be a really balanced. The only downside is that I can't imagine to play without being vampire. The invisible Batswarm and mistform help so much with mobility and stamina management.
Overall I would say that too many people play their Templar as a pure healer. The key to not being killed us to keep the enemy under pressure. Just stamina there and spam Breath of life (like the Templar Emperor on Chillrend EU yesterday against me and a NB) won't kill anyone and you will die sooner or later.
If you have problems against NBs try this little trick. Once they charge you throw a spear shard right on your position, it will stun them and interrupt their burst. You have to break the fear instantly (running immovanity or try pots helps if you have stam issues) and purge the healing debuff from soul harvest (purifying ritual!). Once you survived the burst and the start dodging and healing keep the pressure up with tooling charge and puncturing sweep. If you also have a Batswarm up they will hardly manage to cloak away and die pretty fast.
I hope that helps a bit.
CheersEdited by GilGalad on November 2, 2015 11:39AM1 -
iliatha✭✭✭(Iliatha von AvAlon)
haha
If you have problems against NBs try this little trick.
you forgot to mention the pots for beeing offensive :PAgainst a NB or a shield stacker we have no chance
Just "no", sorry. :P
Edited by iliatha on November 2, 2015 11:25AM0 -
oibam✭✭✭✭✭Against a NB or a shield stacker we have no chance, (...)- Radiant Magelight vs NB burst attack from sneak
- Eclipse / Reflect from Sworad&Board vs shield stacked sorc (kills himself)
Sorry, but I have to say: L2P. And keep in mind: no class can have slotted the best matching abilities for every situationEdited by oibam on November 2, 2015 11:38AM0 -
Docmandu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Against a NB or a shield stacker we have no chance, (...)- Radiant Magelight vs NB burst attack from sneak
- Eclipse / Reflect from Sworad&Board vs shield stacked sorc (kills himself)
Sorry, but I have to say: L2P. And keep in mind: no class can have slotted the best matching abilities for every situation
If that eclipse kills the stacked sorc, it's indeed a L2P issue.. on the sorc's part.
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✭✭I'm playing my Templar since IC to get a magicka deto. Before I played a sorcerer (rank 24) and played for caltrops on a DK, a stamplar and a stam NB.
I specced my Templar for solo/small scale, playing dual wield/S&B. I made some duels against one of the best stamina NBs I know (Iliatha von Averlon), who has about 700 CP more than me and I won if I didn't make any mistake. With equal CPs and a bit more training it would be a really balanced. The only downside is that I can't imagine to play without being vampire. The invisible Batswarm and mistform help so much with mobility and stamina management.
Overall I would say that too many people play their Templar as a pure healer. The key to not being killed us to keep the enemy under pressure. Just stamina there and spam Breath of life (like the Templar Emperor on Chillrend EU yesterday against me and a NB) won't kill anyone and you will die sooner or later.
If you have problems against NBs try this little trick. Once they charge you throw a spear shard right on your position, it will stun them and interrupt their burst. You have to break the fear instantly (running immovanity or try pots helps if you have stam issues) and purge the healing debuff from soul harvest (purifying ritual!). Once you survived the burst and the start dodging and healing keep the pressure up with tooling charge and puncturing sweep. If you also have a Batswarm up they will hardly manage to cloak away and die pretty fast.
I hope that helps a bit.
Cheers
I agree with this, that too many templars play as pure healer, and so that is why they have problems sometimes. I never heal anyone else in PvP unless I am free to and one of my friends is in trouble. Unless I am faced with a huge zerg, I have no problems or complaints with templar in PvP whatsoever. I do wish we could move a bit faster, that is all Edited by Elara_Northwind on November 2, 2015 11:44AMSorcerer, Templar, Wolf Collector, Housing Addict!
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pkb16_ESO2✭✭✭I'm playing my Templar since IC to get a magicka deto. Before I played a sorcerer (rank 24) and played for caltrops on a DK, a stamplar and a stam NB.
I specced my Templar for solo/small scale, playing dual wield/S&B. I made some duels against one of the best stamina NBs I know (Iliatha von Avalon), who has about 700 CP more than me and I won if I didn't make any mistake. With equal CPs and a bit more training it would be a really balanced. The only downside is that I can't imagine to play without being vampire. The invisible Batswarm and mistform help so much with mobility and stamina management.
Overall I would say that too many people play their Templar as a pure healer. The key to not being killed us to keep the enemy under pressure. Just stamina there and spam Breath of life (like the Templar Emperor on Chillrend EU yesterday against me and a NB) won't kill anyone and you will die sooner or later.
If you have problems against NBs try this little trick. Once they charge you throw a spear shard right on your position, it will stun them and interrupt their burst. You have to break the fear instantly (running immovanity or try pots helps if you have stam issues) and purge the healing debuff from soul harvest (purifying ritual!). Once you survived the burst and the start dodging and healing keep the pressure up with tooling charge and puncturing sweep. If you also have a Batswarm up they will hardly manage to cloak away and die pretty fast.
I hope that helps a bit.
Cheers
Stamina NBs are the class i have the least problems with and the reason is they dont use shield. Try to duell a sorc or a magikca NB and then come back....
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Docmandu✭✭✭✭✭
✭pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »Stamina NBs are the class i have the least problems with and the reason is they dont use shield. Try to duell a sorc or a magikca NB and then come back....
Should try a stamina templar... no shields, no defense, no stealth, no escape, .. at least you have decent DPS
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contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »Stamina NBs are the class i have the least problems with and the reason is they dont use shield. Try to duell a sorc or a magikca NB and then come back....
Should try a stamina templar... no shields, no defense, no stealth, no escape, .. at least you have decent DPS
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NBs are usually very straightforward to beat if you keep yourself on the offensive. Here is another dirty trick - Cowards that they are, NBs like to vanish whenever their health starts to get low. Keep Quick Cloak up and don't let them get any distance. They won't be able to vanish and you will annihilate them.
Inner Light (on one bar, not two) plus detect potions and Way of Air is how to counter NB/DK Vampire 1 hit kill gank squads.
For shield stackers, you can always use shield-breaker.
Alternatively, once you burst your way through their shields and their health starts to decrease, that is their que to reapply shields. Use Binding Javelin before this happens and they will die before they are back on their feet.
Alternatively, maintain Eclipse on break free CD until they run out of stamina.0 -
GilGalad✭✭✭✭✭pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »I'm playing my Templar since IC to get a magicka deto. Before I played a sorcerer (rank 24) and played for caltrops on a DK, a stamplar and a stam NB.
I specced my Templar for solo/small scale, playing dual wield/S&B. I made some duels against one of the best stamina NBs I know (Iliatha von Avalon), who has about 700 CP more than me and I won if I didn't make any mistake. With equal CPs and a bit more training it would be a really balanced. The only downside is that I can't imagine to play without being vampire. The invisible Batswarm and mistform help so much with mobility and stamina management.
Overall I would say that too many people play their Templar as a pure healer. The key to not being killed us to keep the enemy under pressure. Just stamina there and spam Breath of life (like the Templar Emperor on Chillrend EU yesterday against me and a NB) won't kill anyone and you will die sooner or later.
If you have problems against NBs try this little trick. Once they charge you throw a spear shard right on your position, it will stun them and interrupt their burst. You have to break the fear instantly (running immovanity or try pots helps if you have stam issues) and purge the healing debuff from soul harvest (purifying ritual!). Once you survived the burst and the start dodging and healing keep the pressure up with tooling charge and puncturing sweep. If you also have a Batswarm up they will hardly manage to cloak away and die pretty fast.
I hope that helps a bit.
Cheers
Stamina NBs are the class i have the least problems with and the reason is they dont use shield. Try to duell a sorc or a magikca NB and then come back....
Against all magicka classes you can use the light armor shield and eclipse. Most of the duels will end with a draw if both players know what they are doing.
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pkb16_ESO2✭✭✭rastadreadlion wrote: »NBs are usually very straightforward to beat if you keep yourself on the offensive. Here is another dirty trick - Cowards that they are, NBs like to vanish whenever their health starts to get low. Keep Quick Cloak up and don't let them get any distance. They won't be able to vanish and you will annihilate them.
Inner Light (on one bar, not two) plus detect potions and Way of Air is how to counter NB/DK Vampire 1 hit kill gank squads.
For shield stackers, you can always use shield-breaker.
Alternatively, once you burst your way through their shields and their health starts to decrease, that is their que to reapply shields. Use Binding Javelin before this happens and they will die before they are back on their feet.
Alternatively, maintain Eclipse on break free CD until they run out of stamina.
The Problem was the jabs shield bug (or is it fixed now?) that didnt give the 140% dam bonus against shields.
So it was nearly impossible to break shields. And Shield-breaker is not an option an Magicka temp...
I stopped playing my temp because this bug. Is it still in game?
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pkb16_ESO2✭✭✭pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »I'm playing my Templar since IC to get a magicka deto. Before I played a sorcerer (rank 24) and played for caltrops on a DK, a stamplar and a stam NB.
I specced my Templar for solo/small scale, playing dual wield/S&B. I made some duels against one of the best stamina NBs I know (Iliatha von Avalon), who has about 700 CP more than me and I won if I didn't make any mistake. With equal CPs and a bit more training it would be a really balanced. The only downside is that I can't imagine to play without being vampire. The invisible Batswarm and mistform help so much with mobility and stamina management.
Overall I would say that too many people play their Templar as a pure healer. The key to not being killed us to keep the enemy under pressure. Just stamina there and spam Breath of life (like the Templar Emperor on Chillrend EU yesterday against me and a NB) won't kill anyone and you will die sooner or later.
If you have problems against NBs try this little trick. Once they charge you throw a spear shard right on your position, it will stun them and interrupt their burst. You have to break the fear instantly (running immovanity or try pots helps if you have stam issues) and purge the healing debuff from soul harvest (purifying ritual!). Once you survived the burst and the start dodging and healing keep the pressure up with tooling charge and puncturing sweep. If you also have a Batswarm up they will hardly manage to cloak away and die pretty fast.
I hope that helps a bit.
Cheers
Stamina NBs are the class i have the least problems with and the reason is they dont use shield. Try to duell a sorc or a magikca NB and then come back....
Against all magicka classes you can use the light armor shield and eclipse. Most of the duels will end with a draw if both players know what they are doing.
Eclipse is also super buggy. But yes you can spec and play to get a draw, but that shouldn't be the goal.
The problem of templars are the bugged skills and the CC-immunity given by Jabs.
It really cant be that hard to solve, but how long are we waiting already???
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Against a NB or a shield stacker we have no chance, (...)- Radiant Magelight vs NB burst attack from sneak
- Eclipse / Reflect from Sworad&Board vs shield stacked sorc (kills himself)
Sorry, but I have to say: L2P. And keep in mind: no class can have slotted the best matching abilities for every situation
You are in for a rude awakening when you come across a NB or sorcerer that knows what they are doing.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.4 -
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Daveheart✭✭✭✭I actually enjoy playing on my Templar quite a bit right now.
Templar is way under powered and too squishy! Buff Templars!Daggerfall Covenant (PC-NA)
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myrrrorb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭There are counters to just about everything. Templars are really great and I enjoy playing them.
When I setup to kill nightblades, I kill nightblades fairly regularly.
Same with dragonknights. Still haven't found a good setup for sorcerer, but at least I can kill them occasionally.
Being able to counter every possible class and variation? No, nor should I be able to destroy everything.0 -
Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭rastadreadlion wrote: »NBs are usually very straightforward to beat if you keep yourself on the offensive. Here is another dirty trick - Cowards that they are, NBs like to vanish whenever their health starts to get low. Keep Quick Cloak up and don't let them get any distance. They won't be able to vanish and you will annihilate them.
Inner Light (on one bar, not two) plus detect potions and Way of Air is how to counter NB/DK Vampire 1 hit kill gank squads.
For shield stackers, you can always use shield-breaker.
Alternatively, once you burst your way through their shields and their health starts to decrease, that is their que to reapply shields. Use Binding Javelin before this happens and they will die before they are back on their feet.
Alternatively, maintain Eclipse on break free CD until they run out of stamina.
So, u mean we have to change our entire bars just to counter 1 ort of enemy when there are thousand versions of them... we have to but no other class has to.
Ok, in that case we are the best class ever.
"Alternatively, maintain Eclipse on break free CD until they run out of stamina"
Reading this means to me that u never actually beat a good enemy.
"Alternatively, once you burst your way through their shields and their health starts to decrease, that is their que to reapply shields. Use Binding Javelin before this happens and they will die before they are back on their feet."
would u mind telling me how exactly u burst or with WHAT???
"Inner Light (on one bar, not two) plus detect potions and Way of Air is how to counter NB/DK Vampire 1 hit kill gank squads. "
dude, tell me the truth.... u are not a templar and u only play on the no veteran campaign... this stuff is rediculous.
I give u the easiest comparison in terms of straight forwarding nightblades...
A good nightblade, as Blazemaster for instance will jump u in the face and bomb u with some 8k surprise attacks and more sustain than u will ever have. He has tons more regen and the cheaper abilities with the way better ult. He doesnt even need to vanish.
I duel since release and i have a nightblade, dk and templar but the templar was and is still my main.
The first time i logged into my nightblade when he arrived at max lvl... i did 1v3 without even knowing what i do.
As templar it was never easy to do that because our active abilities are not as good as nightblades passives for instance.
They get armor and spellresistance for using abilities that do other usefull things. They just have 15% allregg passive....
My aura does 10% and if i want the 20% version, it doesnt stack with pots and takes 1 slot away.
For the armor i use a skill that lasts 8 seconds when i leave a small circle with a 10meter radius and that also takes 1 slot from my bar.
Jabs cant burst a shield down and i dont even think about using 1 class ult because they all are the worst choices u can pick in the whole game, no other class would ever use one of them if they could.
The only passives we can use staminawise are only effective if u use jabs. Jabs open up ur defence entirely and if u think it does great damage, go compare it to a nightblade surprise attack combo skipping into ur face during jabs or a dk smashing u with wb and leaping into you with 30k dmg burst potential and also getting ressources back.
Sorc has the best escapeability and protection in the game, added up to awesome burst and good cc.
But yea, WHOHOOO, we can the 3k staminacost javelin and "let em die before they get back on their feet".
I need a drink now.
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Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭We got 1 thing over any other class and that is purge and awesome heals but the heals only work out on magickabuilds.Edited by Mumyo on November 2, 2015 8:48PM0
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✭myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »There are counters to just about everything. Templars are really great and I enjoy playing them.
When I setup to kill nightblades, I kill nightblades fairly regularly.
Same with dragonknights. Still haven't found a good setup for sorcerer, but at least I can kill them occasionally.
Being able to counter every possible class and variation? No, nor should I be able to destroy everything.
I dont even know what do say. Maybe you played in a very non competitive PvP environment, most likely consoles or non-VR, where majority is clueless. That would explain it.
So when you run around there with your "nightblade hunter build" and roleplay or whatever, what do you do when you encounter sorcerers or DK's? (Leaving out templars since they don't require any specific counter skills).
Do you just roll over and die? Spam emotes? Try to run away? Sorry cant fight gajs, I'm using my anti-nightblade spec!
In PvP you need a well-rounded build that allows you to back yourself up against all 4 classes, against stamina and magicka. Simple as that. Cyrodiil isn't a 1v1 duel, where you get to change armor and skill setup peacefully while thinking strategies for next single encounter.
I can do that on my sorcerer and NB easy btw, make a functional build that allows me to take on any class, I sure as hell dont have to devote half a skill bar just to kill a templar or a DK for that matter.Edited by eliisra on November 2, 2015 9:07PM0
