WHITE TOWER!?

Panth141 · October 2015

Ffastyl wrote: »

Working for achievement is among the greatest satisfactions a player can experience. Making hard content results in some players being incapable of completing it while making content easy dissatisfies a larger half of the populace who want to strain their nerves, wrack their brains and test their skills. White-Gold Tower is hard content meant to do just that. It should, under no circumstance, be dumbed down or made easier.

The power fantasy is not satisfied just by being overwhelmingly powerful - it can be satisfied by being overwhelmingly underpowered and still coming out on top. (e.g. Dark Souls)

I agree entirely with what you've said, but... the bold part really made me chuckle.

TiberX · October 2015

Just 2 decent dungeons as difficulty in the whole game and people have to ask for nerf! :'(

lathbury · October 2015

why dont these people accept the fact that either they are bad or their group is bad and its not the fault of the game this dungeon is doable in v14 gear with less than 300 cp.for HM I crafted some better gear the only thing I would change is the gear drop rates.

Shadesofkin · October 2015

Gear drop rates are definitely a problem in these dungeons, beyond that though, I think they're very very doable.

BCBUDZ · October 2015

Completely undoable on VR16 vet on PS4 and impossible to farm the Overwhelming set aka the only good dps sorc set in game now. I've pretty much set down my controller until it's fixed other than my duties as Four Twenty guild owner. So disappointed. I feel the dlc was dropped on console direct from pc which had been created with pc players with oodles of cp from a game a year ahead of console. I'm no casual. I've logged 3000 hrs in game and beaten all other dungeons oodles of times. Zenimax screwed the pooch big. PS4 players are dropping like flies due to the dlc and screwed builds. Tanks are impossible to find now too.

Shadesofkin · October 2015

Love_Chunks wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

VWGT isn't that hard. Unless you have bad dps. Then it's hard. Not standing in damage and playing smart make this place a cake walk.

Really even one weak player can tip things, we had this tank...oooh boy, did not understand that one does not spam Steel Tornado when one is trying to gain Aggro.

Bahaha, I've seen that a few times.

Last day of 1.6, I was in a pug with tank using a bow and when i asked them wtf they were doing they replied " i use volley then sneak around and aggro the toughest one". Healer was using dual daggers, BoL was criting for 3.5k, and we wiped on trash before the second boss in v14 fungal. Rage quit group.

I swear I've run in a group with people who did that too.

I mean..I highly respect that people have vivid imaginations about how to play their role...but if you can't heal or aggro, you're not playing your role.

BCBUDZ · October 2015

It's PC players who say it's easy due to vast CP of course.

kuscoe · October 2015

BCBUDZ wrote: »

It's PC players who say it's easy due to vast CP of course.

CP has nothing to do with it, yes in the end it helps but the determining factors are skill and gear

kuscoe · October 2015

lathbury wrote: »

why dont these people accept the fact that either they are bad or their group is bad and its not the fault of the game this dungeon is doable in v14 gear with less than 300 cp.for HM I crafted some better gear the only thing I would change is the gear drop rates.

This. To add to the point he is making my friend cam back to the game recently and had like 170 CP? (had 90 when he came back) when we started running the dungeon and we did better then most lets also not forget he is a sorc healer too

Shadesofkin · October 2015

BCBUDZ wrote: »

It's PC players who say it's easy due to vast CP of course.

Or...you know...we're just that good.

CP has nothing to do with it, give me a fresh character with less than 100 CP and I could still get him to Cap and do VWGT or VICP with a solid group and a mic.

BCBUDZ · October 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

BCBUDZ wrote: »

It's PC players who say it's easy due to vast CP of course.

CP has nothing to do with it, yes in the end it helps but the determining factors are skill and gear

What a load of bs. Have you completed this on VR16 vet on a PS4? I'd love some proof. Farming to overwhelming set vr16 is a joke with the drop rates and mechanics. We are talking people who have beat everything else in game and carry scythe titles and weekly trial items. PC players had a whole year to collect cp ahead of ps4. IC content was dropped the same to pc, and console. Of course it's doable for pc players and port overs. It was created for the "content's too easy cp out my ass crowd" then dumped as is to console players who avg 150 cp.

KanedaSyndrome · October 2015

alfoner wrote: »

So this is made to be so hard dungeon that its impossible to complete it with casual players. you ahve to brake the game mechanics at the boss for able to kill them. ''like sorceres pet tanking Pinaccle fire boss the whole fight'' also finding the group for this is impossible cos no one whats to even try taht cos ITS IMPOSSIBLE. i ahve killed it only ones with no healm drop. our group was me with 336cp and others had more than me but why you have even someone with less cp . you are [snip]!!! TY cos making this BIS helmet farming impossible for most of the pll ^^

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Calm down and check your grammar.

KanedaSyndrome · October 2015

Would be nice if there was content that couldn't be done without some hardship.

BCBUDZ · October 2015

Also take note most console players can't even post here on the official forum. It took me 5 months to get an invite code out of Zenimax, which happened just today. I did some homework. PC sold 700k copies. Console millions. Yet because console can't speak PC is being catered to and the bread and butter has no voice. End result is the Zenimax ship torpedoing itself.

Xjcon · October 2015

BCBUDZ wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

BCBUDZ wrote: »

It's PC players who say it's easy due to vast CP of course.

CP has nothing to do with it, yes in the end it helps but the determining factors are skill and gear

What a load of bs. Have you completed this on VR16 vet on a PS4? I'd love some proof. Farming to overwhelming set vr16 is a joke with the drop rates and mechanics. We are talking people who have beat everything else in game and carry scythe titles and weekly trial items. PC players had a whole year to collect cp ahead of ps4. IC content was dropped the same to pc, and console. Of course it's doable for pc players and port overs. It was created for the "content's too easy cp out my ass crowd" then dumped as is to console players who avg 150 cp.

I'm sorry you struggle with it, I haven't played on console but I thought those that do claim it's a better platform. If you honestly think the only reason players are completing VWGT is CP I have a bridge I could sell you.

Why is it some people start spouting off with nonsense rather then trying to learn how people do it so easily?

Zos is going to continue to nerf older content till the rest of the players find it so easy it's absolutley boring and the only reason to run it is to get a key at the end.

As for the gear I was completing VWGT in VR14 gear after the fist week it was launched. Sorry.

Eleusian · October 2015

BCBUDZ wrote: »

Also take note most console players can't even post here on the official forum. It took me 5 months to get an invite code out of Zenimax, which happened just today. I did some homework. PC sold 700k copies. Console millions. Yet because console can't speak PC is being catered to and the bread and butter has no voice. End result is the Zenimax ship torpedoing itself.

True story ! And Damage dealers on console have no tools to improve damage out. It's all guess work and I think . Even this games Devs use all the Add Ons when playing PC. Things get nerfed due to completion % which is tracked by devs. You can bet they know every detail on the groups completing it as well average vr , deaths , dungeon vr setting , completion time.

Callous2208 · October 2015

BCBUDZ wrote: »

Also take note most console players can't even post here on the official forum. It took me 5 months to get an invite code out of Zenimax, which happened just today. I did some homework. PC sold 700k copies. Console millions. Yet because console can't speak PC is being catered to and the bread and butter has no voice. End result is the Zenimax ship torpedoing itself.

Are you suggesting that going forward they should wait a year before giving the console their expansions, so they can catch up? Or are you saying they should dumb all of the content down to the vast majority of first time mmo players on console?

BCBUDZ · October 2015

It's a good platform but they have the settings tuned too high for what ps4 could achieve in 5 months. The other bugs are survivable, and I care little about txt chat, but it's rediculous that the set of armor I require for my build is basically un achievable. VR16 Arch Mage sucks and as Magic Sorc I require overwhelming to complete my planned build. I don't care if I have to run it 200 times. Zenimax just needs to scale down console versions and leave pc as is if pc is happy. PS4 community is pissed about it lol

BCBUDZ · October 2015

Trust me I know all about the clanfear tanking etc. Some console players should be posting here. IC dailies go incompleted every time.

SCinsight · October 2015

BCBUDZ wrote: »

Trust me I know all about the clanfear tanking etc. Some console players should be posting here. IC dailies go incompleted every time.

vWGT is completely doable, going on 50+ completions and damn near the speed run, though having to switch gear and skills without a one click button is ridiculous.

+ Almost the entirety of my guild has made it through, as well as many of us have the Kena helm, and a few of us have multiples. I'd be more than happy to show you or even talk to you about vWGT and show you pictures of my gear, as I'm running 4pc Overwhelming 2pc Kena 3pc Torug's 3pc Willpower for my DPS set, shoot me a message on PSN.

sagitter · October 2015

I did it multiple times with random pugs, all you need is TS and be good with your class/build, don't care if you have never done it, with some practice you'll do. YOU NEED TS, communication make it easyer, don't be shy.

Shunravi · October 2015

SCinsight wrote: »

BCBUDZ wrote: »

Trust me I know all about the clanfear tanking etc. Some console players should be posting here. IC dailies go incompleted every time.

vWGT is completely doable, going on 50+ completions and damn near the speed run, though having to switch gear and skills without a one click button is ridiculous.

+ Almost the entirety of my guild has made it through, as well as many of us have the Kena helm, and a few of us have multiples. I'd be more than happy to show you or even talk to you about vWGT, shoot me a message on PSN.

thank you

Xjcon · October 2015

Eleusian wrote: »

BCBUDZ wrote: »

Also take note most console players can't even post here on the official forum. It took me 5 months to get an invite code out of Zenimax, which happened just today. I did some homework. PC sold 700k copies. Console millions. Yet because console can't speak PC is being catered to and the bread and butter has no voice. End result is the Zenimax ship torpedoing itself.

True story ! And Damage dealers on console have no tools to improve damage out. It's all guess work and I think . Even this games Devs use all the Add Ons when playing PC. Things get nerfed due to completion % which is tracked by devs. You can bet they know every detail on the groups completing it as well average vr , deaths , dungeon vr setting , completion time.

True. console has no way to track data. But you have great players posting builds and rotations on well known sites. They do all the leg work and explain why and what works to help with the lack of data on your end.

daemonios · October 2015

BCBUDZ wrote: »

Completely undoable on VR16 vet on PS4 and impossible to farm the Overwhelming set aka the only good dps sorc set in game now. I've pretty much set down my controller until it's fixed other than my duties as Four Twenty guild owner. So disappointed. I feel the dlc was dropped on console direct from pc which had been created with pc players with oodles of cp from a game a year ahead of console. I'm no casual. I've logged 3000 hrs in game and beaten all other dungeons oodles of times. Zenimax screwed the pooch big. PS4 players are dropping like flies due to the dlc and screwed builds. Tanks are impossible to find now too.

I can understand why ICP would be harder to do on a controller (at least the boss with the flesh atros). But care to explain why this would be the case with WGT? By the way, overwhelming is marginally better than Kagrenac, the only advantage being that you get the spell damage bonuses at 4 pieces rather than 5.

This is end-game GROUP content. Play as a group. Use voice chat. Know your build. Change your skills according to the fight. I've done vWGT more times than I can count, both on my Sorc main (and no, I don't agro the inhibitor with pets) and on my tank alt which I hadn't played for months and is running in v14 gear.

BCBUDZ · October 2015

Anyone on PS4 with completions care to run me through? I just tried a new group. First boss issues they had. Smacks head on wall.

SCinsight · October 2015

BCBUDZ wrote: »

Anyone on PS4 with completions care to run me through? I just tried a new group. First boss issues they had. Smacks head on wall.

send me a msg of your gear mate

lathbury · October 2015

I'm willing to bet the same people will be asking for nerfs to veteran maelstrom when that drops.

Schemering · October 2015

One can do white Gold Tower with randoms; without teamspeak, as long as all 4 partymembers know the dungeon and know what to do. When on ts my friends and i qute often take someone with not much cp and low dps who hasnt done it before; that is never a problem.

pronkg · October 2015

V16 PC player, 187 CP, veteran rank 14 gear, no issues

alfoner · October 2015

yep still there is 0 DC guilds that you can get in to and play with. everyone who is asking is on AD . picked up a dead alliance with full of random casuals. GG WP so much fun playing this game alone. was yelling 3h for good vet dungeon guild inv 0 wisps .(was yelling on Undaunted Enclave)