Implement collision detection for enemy players - this is something that should've been in the game from the beginning (and actually was before release, in early alpha/beta, no?)

And.. dare I say it..? Remove AOE's almost entirely from PvP aside from siege weapons and Assault skills and a few select skills, maybe? Either that, or increase AOE costs by a factor of.. I don't know, 10? AOE spamming is PvE sillyness and shouldn't even be a viable option in PvP.
Fix the AOE spam somehow or remove it completely from PvP, yes, that sounds about right.
Give us really expensive AOE dots or dampening effects that serve a purpose.

This would not only make sense but also make the PvP in this game worth anything at all because you'd actually have to fight and not just spam heals or AOE.

Tanks up front soaking up damage and holding the line, try and break enemy line or defense. Melee dps and support up close, or around flanks harassing enemy troops. Ranged dps and healers/support in back or around flanks to support friendly troops and attempt to harass enemy troops by casting AOEs that decrease enemy movement speed or resource reduction or some such, also counter enemy AOEs.
Or position these however you want, as long as the class roles make even remotely sense. This would make PvP require skill, commitment and teamwork.

Tanks tank. Healers heal. Supports support. Damage dealers.. damage does deal.

Aww.. Who am I kidding. Not going to happen, sadly..
But if it did happen it'd make me play ESO with passion and commitment, and not just log in every now and then to reminisce and long for better times.

As far as I'm concerned, the PvP is the only real big issue in this game, and it is a game breaking issue. PvE is fine, trials work, dungeons are fun (I guess) and all that jazz is okay. But PvP is a freaking mess beyond all reason.

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Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

I say awesome! But every class should have a way to get through a shieldwall. Sorcs and nbs have their teleport. Dks and templars on the other hand have no chance to break through the wall (dks at least have dragonleap but its an ult)

Shield Wall means that you need a Shield and therefore Sword & Board equiped.
If Shield Wall is added to the S&B passive or ability morphs, every class can do it.

In this tank thread below my post on shield wall last week about more usefullness of tanks/S&B
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2370739#Comment_2370739

Llilium wrote: »

right now it's just run in, spam whirlwhind and cleave, meteorrrrrr, and other AOE. a tank wall stops that. get your big health players up front, and you've got tanks that are geared to tank and not for damage with sword and board ( like how i am currently)

Yessss
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Big health players up front, like with a rugby scrum ! The more Health, the more they can push, the more players, the more they can push. Like in historical shield walls that needed to be 3 rows thick to withstand cavalry hurling into the wall.
Take note that peacefull NPC's push us aside when they walk "through" us, and NPC adds also push us a little bit aside in close combat with little room.

wouls also be something refreshing new for PVP !

I have the feeling that something like this will make PVP much more interesting and challenging for many people

Lack od collision with own faction is logical - two friends will always find a way to pass.
Lack of collision with enemy is idiotic - you can not just run through enemy.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

JaJaLuka wrote: »

I actually think performance wise it would be positive, imagine people not being able to stack and spam aoes? It would make the particle rates be much more thinly spread and make for a smoother performance all around.

Not sure about that. The extra real time, dynamic calculations for collision could be a major mess. Would make wrecking blow even better though. Am I not correct that there isn't even collision for NPC guards during combat in PvP? Seems they really tried to avoid it.

Imagine horse walls around DPS and healers. Taking keeps would be like a rugby scrum at the breach. That would be interesting.

@DaveMoeDee There are two aspects to that, first is that there is collision already with enemy NPCs and second is that even with that collision, you can still roll dodge through them, which is a good thing because it keeps movement through keeps at least possible. The mechanics are already there.

In theory I believe this would be an interesting mechanic. It would really play into traditional war style gameplay. You see movies and read about how armies would form Shield walls to break charges and such. It would be a cool thing to add.

The only downside to it is all you would have is a bunch of DK Tanks in the front and Templar's in the back healing them. There would be a standstill in progress when breaking pass the Inner Wall. They would need to figure out a way to balance it.

JaJaLuka wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

JaJaLuka wrote: »

I actually think performance wise it would be positive, imagine people not being able to stack and spam aoes? It would make the particle rates be much more thinly spread and make for a smoother performance all around.

Not sure about that. The extra real time, dynamic calculations for collision could be a major mess. Would make wrecking blow even better though. Am I not correct that there isn't even collision for NPC guards during combat in PvP? Seems they really tried to avoid it.

Imagine horse walls around DPS and healers. Taking keeps would be like a rugby scrum at the breach. That would be interesting.

@DaveMoeDee There are two aspects to that, first is that there is collision already with enemy NPCs and second is that even with that collision, you can still roll dodge through them, which is a good thing because it keeps movement through keeps at least possible. The mechanics are already there.

Is there really? When taking a farm, I don't remember collision detection with the NPCs mobs when in combat. I don't have time to check it right now, but I don't think combat in Cyrodiil with NPCs has collision detection.

for any naysayers, and i'm not dogging on you for not understanding how this functions, there is no lag increases for collision detection, nor is there any kinds of issues with griefers.

collision detection has nothing to do with greifing. period. this has already been done. this is not a new concept. it's been done, we've played games with this system, none of your concerns are anything you really need to worry about. the system we are talking about is the same type of system used in DAOC and Warhammer Online, both of which have similar play styles as ESOTU.

this is not a new experience. you can draw your own conclusions if you wish, but i'm just trying to explain to you that your concerns are not actual issues with the system. i wish i could find videos of keep and fort sieges that showcased the way things worked but i couldn't find a decent video for you guys.

i say again, collision detection only affected players of the enemy faction. you could pass through players of your own faction, so being blocked by griefers when trying to get to your own keep was not something that was possible.

if you tried playing ESO with collision detection, i am almost certain you would prefer it greatly.

JaJaLuka wrote: »

there is collision already with enemy NPCs and second is that even with that collision, you can still roll dodge through them, which is a good thing because it keeps movement through keeps at least possible. The mechanics are already there.

This, again, would revert to being tactically used with the way dodge rolling costs more each time you use it.

I've already said this, but again, this definitely should be implemented.

People who have spoke about keep NPC's already having the collision detection. I've only really noticed it with home NPC's...which seems a bit backwards to me