Go back through the forums and youtube and thank all those great people for showing the good grind spots off.

With the sewers and the solo arena coming out I see leveling to v16 being much easier. It shouldnt be easy to max your charater. They have atleast addressed the lack of content to get to level cap.

And yes they reduced cost while increasing levels to make xp to endgame pretty much the same. The thing is they have been making things give more xp and easier to farm also.

....lots of responses to players thoughts on making VR less or shorter of a task but almost none on why CP was given a catch up and not VR's


Also it's odd that so many assume I'm not well into VR's (I hit VR16 over the weekend but was Vr15 when posting this)

It's really just a conversation to provoke thought and invite ZOS to discuss why one without the other.

Veteran levels are becoming more and more stupid and should be removed just level 1-50 and then your a Champion and display champion rank small somewhere.

It is just not needed for vet levels. There are only 15 levels to climb through and each level takes about 2 days of play. Furthermore there is not a huge difference (gear not withstanding) within about 5 levels.

There is a big difference in cp, mostly at the passive spots. Once you get high enough the differences diminish though. The catch up should herd people somewhat close together.

Plus I assume the veteran system will disappear soonish. Zone leveling is a good trial. No idea what will replace it though. Gear and consumables are tied pretty tightly to vet levels.

I don't think it's necessary to have a catch up system for VR (not more than they already have), and it would divert development resources from them actually figuring out how to remove them.

I just took my 2nd character to vr16. 1st after last patch. Took exactly 1:15 hours solo grinding per Vr level. Wouldn't call it hard just takes effort. Also gotta stay away for youtube locations to much competition for mobs and campers

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

They did. Now it takes less XP to level through veteran levels

No it takes the same amount of exp to hit max vr16 it's just less exp per VR level.

That is a major math fail. You get to vr16 by passing 15 vr levels. There are no other numbers in the formula.

People can get to v16 by the end of Cadwell's Gold now.

You seem to not be aware of the experience it took prior to the additional vr levels 12,14 and 16
Coming from PC to Xbox one the levels and experience amount it took then is far greater than a new player today so I'm not sure of the math you're applying here but it's definitely more unless you're starting new.

this post isn't about asking to reduce Vr tho, and for many, Cadwell quests only took them from VR1-VR9 or VR10

-This post is about the thought process of why one was changed and not the other as far as a catchup mechanism.

I continue to read responses who seem to interpret that the current path or changes to VR are in some way in accordance with the CP adjustments.

CP create a diminishing return benefit to characters in a passive manner per point used in a given passive after the first point. The more points you earn, the less of an impact the player receives. The CP could arguably be a difference maker in PvP. PvE situations where timed leaderboards are set could also cause someone to feel "behind".

Oddly tho, the ZOS' thought process omits the noticeable impact of a player who may have a VR16 compared to a VR10 or VR1. If in fact the CP was the only factor then I understand why only CP's had a catch-up but we all know that each VR adds to the players pools and offers a skill point. The pool and skill point is more of an impact per level than CP's per multiple CP's

While a vr1 character may not have the same stat pools as a v16 the difference between the two really isn't that great and as someone noted here really all vet stuff is scaled to level 50 period. There is not a huge or really even a minor increase in difficulty between vr levels. Technically one could take even a v1 toon and do gold areas. Going up in levels only allows you access to better armor and a chance to get more skill points along with your one stat increase per level. In the beginning I do not recall there even being stat increases as you went up in vr you were essentially frozen at level 50. Proof again if my memory is correct that everything is scaled to level 50 toon.

What going through silver and gold really did besides giving you exp playing the toon and a chance to alter your build to get more from your playstyle was something to do after getting to level 50. In other words a time sink plain and simple a reason for a level 50 person to continue to play.

While it is true that stat points do give you a larger pool to play with the increase is not that large. Cp's give bonus in many different areas.

For example most of the red/warrior areas give mitigations. Greater resistance to elemental attacks greater resistance to poison and disease greater resistance to dots. Less cost for blocking better spell resist less damage from crit hits. Better damage absorb more effective pots better healing received this does not include the buffs given to armor types specifically.

Green/thief areas are more about regen and cost reduction for abilities used. reduction of stam costs for abilities spells reduction of magicka costs for abilities spells reduction stam costs for sprinting reduction of stam costs for bashing. Increased stam regen increased magicka regen increased health regen increased regen from heavy attacks. reduction of costs of stam while moving stealthed decreased duration of snare fear and disorient decreased cost of stam for breakfree dodge and roll increased effectiveness of healing reduction abilities.

Blue/mage areas are more about damage buffs. Increased effectiveness of your healing spells increased damage healing for spell crits increased damage for elemental types increased spell penetrate. Increased damage of weapons by type staves, blades heavy weapons bows. increased damage with poison disease and magic increased damage healing done by weapons crits increased armor ignored when attacking increased physical damage.

These do not include any of the passives gained by putting a number of points into any of the constellations certain ones give more buffs to damage some give a bit of healing or return of other resources and so on.

There is quite a difference between giving a bit more to a resource pool and what you can see from the cp's. Yes they do have diminishing returns to a point at which they level out and continue to give a set percentage. So yes one stat point might be better then one cp but there are lots of cps and far fewer stat points. Each of the stars you can put cp's into can hold 100 cp's . There are only 64 stat points.
In a relatively short amount of time a person can be equal in stat points. It will take quite a bit longer for new person to catch up to someone with 500 cp's.

There are those that think they are being overwhelmed by those with more points. They feel all of their woes are based on this fact. They just can not compete with more stats....or cp's. They do not take into account the skill of the player behind the toon in question. They assume that all of their losses are based on the fact that the winner had more points. Points as I have mentioned are only part of the equation.

Veteran Ranks should be account-wide, as an option. Just like you get the option of wether or not to play through the tutorial, you should get an option when reaching VET ranks, to just pull directly to VR16.

I play this game mainly for PvP. I do PvE as well, but let's face it; There is only Daily Pledges and the occasional farming for helmets to do. The rest is questing, which is boring as ***.

My problem is this;

I have played A TON on hours, levelling my Sorc up to V16. Now, i would like to try out a DK or NB or even Templar. But do i have the stomach to play through like 100 hours of mindless grinding? NO! Anyone who states that getting from VR1 to VR16 is "no great matter" and "can be done in a short time", blows my mind. Really? If you get a good spot, you get maybe 500k xp an hour. That is 32 Hours EFFECTIVE. Then count all the crap in between you want / need to do. Then count out that maybe you get to play every other day for a couple of hours. Now it is taking one month in real life, to get from VR1 to VR16.

By having VET ranks, Zenimax is putting up a MASSIVE grindwall on their content. Simple as that.

And would just like to point out, i am not one of those people who complain about not getting everything served. I am a firm believer in the fact that "casuals" such as myself, are NOT supposed to be able to complete everything is the game. I am perfectly fine with the fact that i will probably not complete either of the new dungeons on Veteran mode. I might also never complete Maelstrom on Veteran - i am not sure yet - have not tried the PTS. So i am not asking that i get things served on a platter.

So all in all; since Veteran Ranks dont really mean *** to anything - it is just a barrier keeping you from using endgame gear - it seems completely ridicoulus to maintain them in the way they are. And it could all be fixed by implementing my first sentence here.

Just my 2 Cents and rambling.

I have over 70DAYS of played time on my main.
I have a V16 alt with less than 50hours of played time.

There are players with much more played time than my main. If you watn new players to eventually catch up to those (but not reder their effort useless), you're looking at a very tong term progression thing.
Long long before you remotely catch up, even with a huge catch-up factor, new players are going to hit V16.

Further, new content (vet arena) is definitly balanced for players with many, i'd even say close-to-501-cap, CP. ESO is still an MMO. While that want to make it possible for new players to compete in endgame content without requireing them to invest 50 or 100 days of playtime, they don't want to enable any kind of catchup below a few days of playtime.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

From 1.1.2 patch notes:

Additionally, the veteran XP earned from killing enemies has more than doubled.

From 1.5 patch notes:

It takes 1,432,550 Experience Points to gain a Veteran Rank. We expect this to greatly reduce the amount of time it takes to gain a Veteran Rank.

From 1.6.5 patch notes:

One Veteran Rank is currently 1,000,000XP

From 2.1.4 patch notes:

we’ve made some adjustments so you can progress through Veteran Ranks more rapidly:
15% decrease in the amount of XP it takes to gain a Veteran Rank
100% more XP for all public dungeons
50% more XP for all Veteran Rank quests
20% more XP in Craglorn

So it's much faster to get to max level now compared to when the game launched.

This is correct. It is much faster for a new character starting today to reach max level VR16 than it was for someone who started at the beginning. That's why it was not necessary to add even more catch up mechanisms at the same time they added CP catch up. It had already been done for VR.