Where are the pvp devs?

GAULSTON7 · October 2015

Q. Where are the pvp devs?

A. Preparing Star Wars Battlefront, which is where I'll be once this bug filled game is a ghost town when Battlefront is released.

Armitas · October 2015

We have at least two people from ZOS watching. Don't ruin this thread by insulting them. They are people at the end of the day that will not tolerate that kind of behavior. They will just leave the thread and this opportunity to communicate with them will have been wasted, and future opportunities will become even more rare. Speak constructively or leave, its OK to express emotion but don't put it on a personal level with them. The door to these guys needs to be opened and this is just holding that back.

mjspnrb18_ESO · October 2015

Armitas wrote: »

We have at least two people from ZOS watching. Don't ruin this thread by insulting them. They are people at the end of the day that will not tolerate that kind of behavior. They will just leave the thread and this opportunity to communicate with them will have been wasted, and future opportunities will become even more rare. Speak constructively or leave, its OK to express emotion but don't put it on a personal level with them. The door to these guys needs to be opened and this is just holding that back.

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Elsonso · October 2015

I don't think that Wheeler or Wrobel deserve some of the comments in this thread, but since everyone gets their say, I guess it is my turn to talk about Wrobel.

I sense that Wrobel is a pretty competitive guy, possibly more competitive than a lot of his critics in here. I sense that when he plays, he plays to win and he takes it seriously. It would not surprise me if he is a min-max type of player. I think he is definitely a guy who wants to compete against other players and does not want to lose. He does balance the game to his vision, and as a competitive gamer I do expect that he is looking at this from that direction. He has strong opinions about how to go about the ESO combat, and that is definitely going to win him some angst from other players.

I would really like him to step up and talk about what he is doing and the goals that he has, and get permission from ZOS to do this in some amount of detail. When I look at the combat issues presented by the players in here, while they seem like really major and are frequently presented as if they were planetary Armageddon, they often boil down to differences in opinion. Getting Wrobel to talk about his opinion will be helpful. This is not to change his mind, or beat him into submission, nor is it to change the mind of the people who dislike what he is doing. It is just to eliminate the idea that changes are being made for no reason and haphazardly. I still expect people to disagree, and just as earnestly.

I can tell from ESO Live that Wrobel really wants to talk about what he does, his ideas, his plans, and his opinions. ZOS should let him do that.

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2015

As @Armitas clearly (and correctly) stated, please keep this thread constructive. Any bashing of devs will not be tolerated, and we'd like to keep this thread open. This is everyone's final warning.

Lava_Croft · October 2015

I'd love to see a piece of writing from Wrobel and others that kind of lay out their view on combat as a whole.

manny254 · October 2015

Can we get some sort of response from Wrobel regarding the largest topics in the community right now? Namely AoE cap and some class Balance (specifically dragon knight). This would go a long way for a lot of people.

vortexman11 · October 2015

I finally farmed my 5th star in this thread after almost a year of Forum 1vXing!

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @Armitas clearly (and correctly) stated, please keep this thread constructive. Any bashing of devs will not be tolerated, and we'd like to keep this thread open. This is everyone's final warning.

Anyways

A question I've had on my mind for months now... when is the PvP community going to get an Ambassador? I'm sure that would help alot with communication.

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Can we get some sort of response from Wrobel regarding the largest topics in the community right now? Namely AoE cap and some class Balance (specifically dragon knight). This would go a long way for a lot of people.

We'll see what we can do.

Ara_Valleria · October 2015

I would like to see some kind of Long term PVP Development Goals List with APPROXIMATE DATES OF IMPLEMENTATION.
That way we get to know what stuff zos plans to improve/fix/introduce AND by WHEN.
And provided those goals are REAL and not some thing one person just sat and chalked up just to keep the pvp community calm, we can get an idea about how much resources are being pooled into improving pvp and whether pvp is a priority or not.

Bfish22090 · October 2015

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

I would like to see some kind of Long term PVP Development Goals List with APPROXIMATE DATES OF IMPLEMENTATION.
That way we get to know what stuff zos plans to improve/fix/introduce AND by WHEN.

I just want my s/b magicka dk back when I could regen stamina while blocking

I'm not asking for much zos

Jitterbug · October 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As @Armitas clearly (and correctly) stated, please keep this thread constructive. Any bashing of devs will not be tolerated, and we'd like to keep this thread open. This is everyone's final warning.

On that note I would like to invite Eric Wrobel to a day of amnesty where he can answer at least one question on the forums without being bashed.
We can even call it Weekly Wrobel Wednesdays.

I know I haven't exactly held back on my "passion" for fixing the combat issues, and some of what I've said might have come off as bashy towards Wrobel, and I realize that my guesses as to how things work in and around the office are just that: Guesses. But seeing as we are getting no information we are left with little else.

jcasini222ub17_ESO · October 2015

I really don't know how much there could be to offer. "Combat dev". If he comments on combat changes thats soley PvP focused at the expense of PvE those who only PvE will cry havoc. If he comments on combat changes that skew PvE at the cost of PvP then those players that PvP will let loose. To get a clear, crystal clear roadmap some want from what I've read on these forums there would need to be a PvP combat dev and a PvE combat dev with both those realms being independent and not joined as is the current case. Since the game was designed with skills functioning for both I doubt that level of clarity will ever occur. Deep inside I feel coming here and speaking will lead to articles on gaming websites talking about how immature the ESO community filled with hate and rash actions. That's bad, that's something I would hate to see.

With combat skills being global there will always be unhappy parties, plus this being the internet the vitriol will be off the chain.

Comments on dragon leaping into keeps, ambushing through doors, and stun locking enemies are welcome.

Ezareth · October 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Amica wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Nice way to pass the buck mate

It's not passing the buck if it's true. As Wheeler's explained before, he's in charge of the rules and systems for PvP. Actual abilities belong to Wrobel - doesn't matter where those abilities happen, whether it's in Cyrodiil or PvE spaces.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

It would be awesome if he could give us some of his thoughts on the recent discussions that have taken place.

There has been some really constructive (if passionate) discussion recently with regard to balance, aoe caps, arena pvp etc and It would be fantastic to hear the relevant devs' points of view on these issues.

For example, the pvp Arena:

I have heard that the arena is not implemented on live because zos wants us to use Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is bad at the moment for reasons discussed and so the result is that people want an arena.

Ultimately zos's goal is profit and repeatable Content (such as arena plus leagues and leaderboards) is a fantastic way to keep people interested and paying. Arguably this will generate more cash than continuing with the status quo.

This doesn't need rng loot and league tables would allow people to fight similarly - skilled players, thus providing a balanced experience for all. This would achieve the goal of catering to the many.

Cyrodiil performance

This tanked with the lighting patch. Whatever caused it, whatever was in that patch caused performance to be poor and the game has been frustrating ever since.

Please communicate with us. What caused this and what can be done to fix it?

How do Arena's generate cash?

There are many ways for Arenas to generate cash but the primary revenue generator would be through making it a DLC and offering seasonal rewards that are unique to the Arena for the achieving top ranks in the Arena. Hell, by just offering a new unique color for achieving a certain rank in the Arena you could end up with a large influx of players from the PvE side of the game interested in making a run for it.

Darnathian · October 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Amica wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Nice way to pass the buck mate

It's not passing the buck if it's true. As Wheeler's explained before, he's in charge of the rules and systems for PvP. Actual abilities belong to Wrobel - doesn't matter where those abilities happen, whether it's in Cyrodiil or PvE spaces.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

It would be awesome if he could give us some of his thoughts on the recent discussions that have taken place.

There has been some really constructive (if passionate) discussion recently with regard to balance, aoe caps, arena pvp etc and It would be fantastic to hear the relevant devs' points of view on these issues.

For example, the pvp Arena:

I have heard that the arena is not implemented on live because zos wants us to use Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil is bad at the moment for reasons discussed and so the result is that people want an arena.

Ultimately zos's goal is profit and repeatable Content (such as arena plus leagues and leaderboards) is a fantastic way to keep people interested and paying. Arguably this will generate more cash than continuing with the status quo.

This doesn't need rng loot and league tables would allow people to fight similarly - skilled players, thus providing a balanced experience for all. This would achieve the goal of catering to the many.

Cyrodiil performance

This tanked with the lighting patch. Whatever caused it, whatever was in that patch caused performance to be poor and the game has been frustrating ever since.

Please communicate with us. What caused this and what can be done to fix it?

How do Arena's generate cash?

There are many ways for Arenas to generate cash but the primary revenue generator would be through making it a DLC and offering seasonal rewards that are unique to the Arena for the achieving top ranks in the Arena. Hell, by just offering a new unique color for achieving a certain rank in the Arena you could end up with a large influx of players from the PvE side of the game interested in making a run for it.

Ah i see. Ty

AhPook_Is_Here · October 2015

Sometimes I feel very sweet in the morning, too sweet. It's good these forums are here with so much salt to get my electrolytes in balance! One page is all the bitterness you need for a day.

Ezareth · October 2015

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Amica wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Nice way to pass the buck mate

It's not passing the buck if it's true. As Wheeler's explained before, he's in charge of the rules and systems for PvP. Actual abilities belong to Wrobel - doesn't matter where those abilities happen, whether it's in Cyrodiil or PvE spaces.

Both devs are equally to blame. Wheeler is clearly not communicating our needs effectively (If he is, Wrobel should be demoted for not mitigating damages to quality of gameplay), and the only change done with regards to rules and systems is that now we have different campaign rule sets for scoring.

WHIPPDI DOO THERE BUD, TOOK A YEAR TO MAKE ONE OF THE MOST USELESS TWEAKS IN THE GAME. NO ONE CARES ABOUT SCORING, WE WANT LAGLESS FIGHTS IN POPULATED SERVERS. How in gods name can an award winning AAA MMORPG get significantly worse since launch? AND PEOPLE ARE STILL SIDING WITH THE DEVS! The blind following the blind I swear.

/pickettingmode

Once again you're making a ton of assumptions that likely are not true. Fengrush I know met and talked to Wheeler during Twitchcon. I'm absolutely certain he gets the gist of our issues. The reality of the situation may be that Eric Wrobel either doesn't agree with our suggestions or he doesn't have the capability to allow for combat systems to function differently in both PvP and PvE so he has to make decisions that are in the best interest of their bread and butter which is PvE.

Have you ever considered that perhaps AoE caps have not been removed because PvE content was balanced around their existence? The same could be said of many of the changes that were put in place in PvP that we shake our heads at.

The real issue here is this was never communicated to us and we are instead met with silence instead of logical explanations for things. When met with silence or when being ignored you're usually going to take the worst outlook possible for things which is why you are as irate as you are right now. Trust me, I've been there too, I'm just as angry but we need to keep our anger in check for the greater good right now. Caps lock into the void of the forums isn't going to solve anything other than relieve some of your own pent up frustration right now.

Dagoth_Rac · October 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I remember during an ESO Live once there was a concern about stamina weapons getting higher spell damage than magicka weapons. And Wrobel pointed out that this was not a stamina versus magicka thing. It was a melee versus ranged thing and that bows got same base damage as staves. And that if people wanted to sacrifice ranged light/heavy attack weaving and ultimate gain to achieve higher damage, that seemed like a reasonable trade off.

I think we need more things like that. But in writing and compiled in a knowledge base. Or some other kind of documentation that can be easily retrieved and searched. Not buried at minute 37 of a random stream. Or on page 24 of a random thread.

Even if some players may not agree, it adds some transparency to the thought processes involved. And why things in the game are behaving the way they do, not just how they are behaving.

Basically, we get told a lot, "We are changing X!" But rarely, if ever, told why you are changing X. We understand if you cannot get into a big philosophical discussion of every line in a 52 page patch note. But I think there are a lot of particularly controversial or particularly mystifying or particularly far-reaching changes that need better reasoning laid out from the developers of why they made changes.

I don't think Wrobel and Wheeler and Lambert are just making this up as they go along. I think they are weighing many factors when deciding on changes, looking at pros and cons, looking at how it affects different playstyles. But none of this is ever shared with the players. And so lots of decisions feel arbitrary and confusing to us.

Maulkin · October 2015

@ZOS_BrianWheeler, thanks for the update man. I look forward to the campaign changes, they are sorely needed to condense the population.

One word of warning about the above. The campaign populations were increased shortly after the release of the last update if I recall correctly, to take into consideration that population now spreads between IC and Cyrodiil. This in principle was fine but what's happening now is we have campaigns like Azura Star (EU) where there is very very little player presence in IC and all the population is piled into Cyrodiil in search of PvP.

The result of the above is higher Cyrodiil population than possible during 2.0 and the effect I observe is extra stress and lag even when we don't have 92 people balling up. So I would recommend the changes involve a balanced approach of a) reducing campaign pop cap and b) reducing # of campaigns.

Finally, as this I believe falls within your domain, siege damage seems too low compared to last patch to be effective. Siege needs to have burst because it has a very slow reload time and highly visible indicators (thanks for removing red circle from friendly siege btw). Even with reduced healing from Battle Spirit, healing/shielding per second is high enough to outheal virtually all siege damage between reloads and even timing 2-3 stones trebs for burst seems to not suffice any more to burst groups sitting inside the red.

Cheers.

Jitterbug wrote: »

Could you send Wrobel in here then please?

This would achieve nothing. The hardcore PvP community is so disillusioned with his actions they would jump on him like a pack of wolves. Not without good reason mind you, but all it would result in is the combat team being even more removed from discussion in the future.

If Eric does read the forums as Brian suggests, he already knows what we think. Soothing words won't work with us, we need actions. When he starts acting on some of our prime concerns then the community will be less aggressive towards him and maybe then he can turn up here for some dialog.

Act on AoE caps, on the root and silence from every charge, on the imbalance between PBAoEs and Ranged AoEs, or between low siege damage and the effectiveness of Alliance War abilities like Purge, Barrier, Retreating Manouevres.

If the above solves nothing then he can at least come here and say "hey I listened to you, I tried to make things better". Currently we don't feel like he's doing either of those.

Elsonso · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

If Eric does read the forums as Brian suggests, he already knows what we think. Soothing words won't work with us, we need actions. When he starts acting on some of our prime concerns then the community will be less aggressive towards him and maybe then he can turn up here for some dialog.

Act on AoE caps, on the root and silence from every charge, on the imbalance between PBAoEs and Ranged AoEs, or between low siege damage and the effectiveness of Alliance War abilities like Purge, Barrier, Retreating Manouevres.

If the above solves nothing then he can at least come here and say "hey I listened to you, I tried to make things better". Currently we don't feel like he's doing either of those.

This is akin to demanding that ZOS take your perspective. Wrobel can prove he is listening by doing as we instruct. I know you did not use those exact words, but that is what means to me. What Wrobel needs to do is come out and say, "hey, I listened to you, and this is why I am not going to do what you are suggesting."

Maulkin · October 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

This is akin to demanding that ZOS take your perspective. Wrobel can prove he is listening by doing as we instruct. I know you did not use those exact words, but that is what means to me.

"My perspective" has a forum poll behind it with +90% of 4k votes asking for the removal of AoE caps. It's not only my perspective, it's one shared by the majority of the community across different play-styles (though of course not by absolutely every one).

And how is it any different from any company taking notice of customer concerns? In your mind what is the right course of action, to act in exact opposite way of popular demand just to assert his authority? How would that help ZOS or the players/customers?

EDIT: I understand what you are saying. That you want Eric to explain why he doesn't agree with us. The fact of the matter is (as you can observe by the forum posts in the last few months) that a big percentage of the community thinks the PvP game has degenerated since 1.5 rather than evolve into something better. So these people feel that there is no point in him reasoning with us why "I chose to turn left, when you suggested I turn right" when in our minds the car has ended up in a ditch. The outcome is not proving his decisions correct, in the opinions of many.

Lava_Croft · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

This is akin to demanding that ZOS take your perspective. Wrobel can prove he is listening by doing as we instruct. I know you did not use those exact words, but that is what means to me.

"My perspective" has a forum poll behind it with +90% of 4k votes asking for the removal of AoE caps. It's not only my perspective, it's one shared by the majority of the community across different play-styles (though of course not by absolutely every one).

And how is it any different from any company taking notice of customer concerns? In your mind what is the right course of action, to act in exact opposite way of popular demand just to assert his authority? How would that help ZOS or the players/customers?

EDIT: I understand what you are saying. That you want Eric to explain why he doesn't agree with us. The fact of the matter is (as you can observe by the forum posts in the last few months) that a big percentage of the community thinks the game has degenerated since 1.5 rather than evolve into something better. So these feel that there is no point in him reasoning with us why "I chose to turn left when you suggested I turn right" when in our minds the car has ended up in a ditch. The outcome is not proving his decisions correct, in the opinions of many.

I want to play devil's advocate for a bit and say that while players may think X, that doesn't mean developers should do their bidding. The game is owned by the developers, not the players. Sometimes people will just disagree and we will have to make do.

Ishammael · October 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Can we get some sort of response from Wrobel regarding the largest topics in the community right now? Namely AoE cap and some class Balance (specifically dragon knight). This would go a long way for a lot of people.

We'll see what we can do.

This will be very, very much appreciated! Cheers!

Elsonso · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

This is akin to demanding that ZOS take your perspective. Wrobel can prove he is listening by doing as we instruct. I know you did not use those exact words, but that is what means to me.

EDIT: I understand what you are saying. That you want Eric to explain why he doesn't agree with us. The fact of the matter is (as you can observe by the forum posts in the last few months) that a big percentage of the community thinks the PvP game has degenerated since 1.5 rather than evolve into something better. So these people feel that there is no point in him reasoning with us why "I chose to turn left, when you suggested I turn right" when in our minds the car has ended up in a ditch. The outcome is not proving his decisions correct, in the opinions of many.

Yup. I would rather read a discussion on the game theory, why to do something one way rather than another, even if it ends up being an "agree to disagree", than the current Wrobel sux and should L2P type comments. I don't see demanding action as accomplishing anything but animosity.

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Amica wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Nice way to pass the buck mate

It's not passing the buck if it's true. As Wheeler's explained before, he's in charge of the rules and systems for PvP. Actual abilities belong to Wrobel - doesn't matter where those abilities happen, whether it's in Cyrodiil or PvE spaces.

Both devs are equally to blame. Wheeler is clearly not communicating our needs effectively (If he is, Wrobel should be demoted for not mitigating damages to quality of gameplay), and the only change done with regards to rules and systems is that now we have different campaign rule sets for scoring.

WHIPPDI DOO THERE BUD, TOOK A YEAR TO MAKE ONE OF THE MOST USELESS TWEAKS IN THE GAME. NO ONE CARES ABOUT SCORING, WE WANT LAGLESS FIGHTS IN POPULATED SERVERS. How in gods name can an award winning AAA MMORPG get significantly worse since launch? AND PEOPLE ARE STILL SIDING WITH THE DEVS! The blind following the blind I swear.

/pickettingmode

Once again you're making a ton of assumptions that likely are not true. Fengrush I know met and talked to Wheeler during Twitchcon. I'm absolutely certain he gets the gist of our issues. The reality of the situation may be that Eric Wrobel either doesn't agree with our suggestions or he doesn't have the capability to allow for combat systems to function differently in both PvP and PvE so he has to make decisions that are in the best interest of their bread and butter which is PvE.

Lol Ill just say on this shortly - I did meet B Wheeler at Twitchcon but I met him as a friend, not as a customer of his game. It can be very hard to separate the two given how passionate I am about the games I play, but I didnt talk about AOE caps or anything in the game regarding these issues.

As nice as it would be, Id feel like Im imposing and being pretty weird. As much as you see my words on stream or in the forum, they are my reflections as a player/customer towards ZOS as a whole. They are intended to be constructive thoughts as well, despite how they may be interpreted at times. I met Gina at Twitchcon too, and Ive met them both before! I intend to stay friendly with them both so Im not going to bring up these issues which I also know they cant simply fix on their own.

Maulkin · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

This is akin to demanding that ZOS take your perspective. Wrobel can prove he is listening by doing as we instruct. I know you did not use those exact words, but that is what means to me.

"My perspective" has a forum poll behind it with +90% of 4k votes asking for the removal of AoE caps. It's not only my perspective, it's one shared by the majority of the community across different play-styles (though of course not by absolutely every one).

And how is it any different from any company taking notice of customer concerns? In your mind what is the right course of action, to act in exact opposite way of popular demand just to assert his authority? How would that help ZOS or the players/customers?

EDIT: I understand what you are saying. That you want Eric to explain why he doesn't agree with us. The fact of the matter is (as you can observe by the forum posts in the last few months) that a big percentage of the community thinks the game has degenerated since 1.5 rather than evolve into something better. So these feel that there is no point in him reasoning with us why "I chose to turn left when you suggested I turn right" when in our minds the car has ended up in a ditch. The outcome is not proving his decisions correct, in the opinions of many.

I want to play devil's advocate for a bit and say that while players may think X, that doesn't mean developers should do their bidding. The game is owned by the developers, not the players. Sometimes people will just disagree and we will have to make do.

At no point I insinuated that we own the game, or that the devs should bend to every player's whim. And people will of course disagree. Ultimately they can do whatever they like.

All I'm saying is that if they take the approach of not listening to the majority of the PvP community or providing reasons for not listening, then I don't see what would be achieved by Eric coming to the forums (this is what I responded to initially). It'll just be a very hostile place, with reason, and with no tangible benefit.

Lava_Croft · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

This is akin to demanding that ZOS take your perspective. Wrobel can prove he is listening by doing as we instruct. I know you did not use those exact words, but that is what means to me.

"My perspective" has a forum poll behind it with +90% of 4k votes asking for the removal of AoE caps. It's not only my perspective, it's one shared by the majority of the community across different play-styles (though of course not by absolutely every one).

And how is it any different from any company taking notice of customer concerns? In your mind what is the right course of action, to act in exact opposite way of popular demand just to assert his authority? How would that help ZOS or the players/customers?

EDIT: I understand what you are saying. That you want Eric to explain why he doesn't agree with us. The fact of the matter is (as you can observe by the forum posts in the last few months) that a big percentage of the community thinks the game has degenerated since 1.5 rather than evolve into something better. So these feel that there is no point in him reasoning with us why "I chose to turn left when you suggested I turn right" when in our minds the car has ended up in a ditch. The outcome is not proving his decisions correct, in the opinions of many.

I want to play devil's advocate for a bit and say that while players may think X, that doesn't mean developers should do their bidding. The game is owned by the developers, not the players. Sometimes people will just disagree and we will have to make do.

At no point I insinuated that we own the game, or that the devs should bend to every player's whim. And people will of course disagree. Ultimately they can do whatever they like.

All I'm saying is that if they take the approach of not listening to the majority of the PvP community or providing reasons for not listening, then I don't see what would be achieved by Eric coming to the forums (this is what I responded to initially). It'll just be a very hostile place, with reason, and with no tangible benefit.

It was more meant in general. People often reference whatever poll as if people voting in forums polls are the ones designing ESO. I just wanted to say it out loud that we are not the ones owning and/or designing ESO. We can merely try to influence the developers.

Maulkin · October 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

This is akin to demanding that ZOS take your perspective. Wrobel can prove he is listening by doing as we instruct. I know you did not use those exact words, but that is what means to me.

EDIT: I understand what you are saying. That you want Eric to explain why he doesn't agree with us. The fact of the matter is (as you can observe by the forum posts in the last few months) that a big percentage of the community thinks the PvP game has degenerated since 1.5 rather than evolve into something better. So these people feel that there is no point in him reasoning with us why "I chose to turn left, when you suggested I turn right" when in our minds the car has ended up in a ditch. The outcome is not proving his decisions correct, in the opinions of many.

Yup. I would rather read a discussion on the game theory, why to do something one way rather than another, even if it ends up being an "agree to disagree", than the current Wrobel sux and should L2P type comments. I don't see demanding action as accomplishing anything but animosity.

Personally I'm not interested in an "agree to disagree" discussion on game theory. I have explained my reasons. The "agree to disagree" discussion, if it ever needs to be taken and the devs are willing, is only relevant to the time that the decisions are taken. When the decisions have been long implemented and their effect has filtered through to the game's meta, that discussion is now obsolete and irrelevant.

Like I said, I side with the people who think that the outcome of certain game decisions, has made the (PvP) game worse rather than better in time. In my eyes that's not an opinion to agree or disagree with. Call me absolute if you want, maybe I am; but it's how I see it, it's what I observe. As such I would personally have no interest in such a theoretical discussion. Evidently you have, and that's cool too. We're all just expressing opinions here.

Ezareth · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Amica wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

AE caps and anything ability related are Wrobel and the combat gang. They do look at the posts, polls and watch streams too.

Nice way to pass the buck mate

It's not passing the buck if it's true. As Wheeler's explained before, he's in charge of the rules and systems for PvP. Actual abilities belong to Wrobel - doesn't matter where those abilities happen, whether it's in Cyrodiil or PvE spaces.

Both devs are equally to blame. Wheeler is clearly not communicating our needs effectively (If he is, Wrobel should be demoted for not mitigating damages to quality of gameplay), and the only change done with regards to rules and systems is that now we have different campaign rule sets for scoring.

WHIPPDI DOO THERE BUD, TOOK A YEAR TO MAKE ONE OF THE MOST USELESS TWEAKS IN THE GAME. NO ONE CARES ABOUT SCORING, WE WANT LAGLESS FIGHTS IN POPULATED SERVERS. How in gods name can an award winning AAA MMORPG get significantly worse since launch? AND PEOPLE ARE STILL SIDING WITH THE DEVS! The blind following the blind I swear.

/pickettingmode

Once again you're making a ton of assumptions that likely are not true. Fengrush I know met and talked to Wheeler during Twitchcon. I'm absolutely certain he gets the gist of our issues. The reality of the situation may be that Eric Wrobel either doesn't agree with our suggestions or he doesn't have the capability to allow for combat systems to function differently in both PvP and PvE so he has to make decisions that are in the best interest of their bread and butter which is PvE.

Lol Ill just say on this shortly - I did meet B Wheeler at Twitchcon but I met him as a friend, not as a customer of his game. It can be very hard to separate the two given how passionate I am about the games I play, but I didnt talk about AOE caps or anything in the game regarding these issues.

As nice as it would be, Id feel like Im imposing and being pretty weird. As much as you see my words on stream or in the forum, they are my reflections as a player/customer towards ZOS as a whole. They are intended to be constructive thoughts as well, despite how they may be interpreted at times. I met Gina at Twitchcon too, and Ive met them both before! I intend to stay friendly with them both so Im not going to bring up these issues which I also know they cant simply fix on their own.

Ahh, I figured you would have at least slipped him a $20 to pass a note to Wrobel. I get what you're saying though, I'd have no brought up the issues as well unless they asked me for them specifically.

MountainHound · October 2015

I am hoping eventually every campaign is gated access to IC except for 1..