Another challenge could be no deaths allowed and complete under certain time as well as difficulty increase. Sizeable amount of gold would be nice to get for completing it. Maybe 5k or so, and for other award options for completes is a better RNG % for gear set items, maybe even double the RNG. All loot (trash items etc) are blue quality and higher so we can decon for mats and such. Another cool name for this run (not that nightmare is a bad name for it) "shegoraths challenge" or "shegoraths playground" cause you now how that twisted guy loves making things interesting.

I edited the Op to make it more understanding of what and how exactly nightmare mode works, i hope to make it a constructive concept for zenimax to look in to. I'll also add to the OP any concepts that seems great

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Sausage wrote: »

When you do Nightmare, you want more I suppose. I think they should stick to the original plan, normal is for everyone and vet is the challenging.

Like I mentioned, that is going to cause problems (like it currently does) because 1 party will want the other party to be nerfed there is only 1% of players able to beat the hard content and then the other players will complain because the jump from normal to vet is far too high right now

Aerieth wrote: »

I think the concept is solid. But. In my opinion, the gear dropped from Nightmare should be the same as in Veteran. The incentives for Nightmare should be vanity related. Chance to get a new mount skin, new model on old piece of gear etc. This way, there's no need to nerf it, as the more casual players can acquire the exact same gear on the lower difficulty.

Star Wars the Old Republic did it well. I only played for a few months from the beginning, but our small guild cleared the first two raids (operations) as server first on Hard Mode and Nightmare. The unique "mount" was incentive enough to keep us going, though we did it for the challenge, not the vehicle.

I'll add that in
I suggested Legendary Items because currently there is 0 drops for Legendary Items unless it is from a weekly (competitive content) and Nightmare Mode is being all about competitive content for extremely hard gameplay, so I think 3 hours for a dungeon competition to get a Legendary Reinforced Shock Master Shoulder is worth it

Nifty2g wrote: »

Aerieth wrote: »

I think the concept is solid. But. In my opinion, the gear dropped from Nightmare should be the same as in Veteran. The incentives for Nightmare should be vanity related. Chance to get a new mount skin, new model on old piece of gear etc. This way, there's no need to nerf it, as the more casual players can acquire the exact same gear on the lower difficulty.

Star Wars the Old Republic did it well. I only played for a few months from the beginning, but our small guild cleared the first two raids (operations) as server first on Hard Mode and Nightmare. The unique "mount" was incentive enough to keep us going, though we did it for the challenge, not the vehicle.

I'll add that in
I suggested Legendary Items because currently there is 0 drops for Legendary Items unless it is from a weekly (competitive content) and Nightmare Mode is being all about competitive content for extremely hard gameplay, so I think 3 hours for a dungeon competition to get a Legendary Reinforced Shock Master Shoulder is worth it

Would be nice to have a consistent source of gold tempers from end-game PvE content, that's true.
I wish I could turn all these Jolting Arms pieces into gold tempering mats.

Players need and want different level of difficulty. I agree with @Niftyg2 .
Its clear that just smaller part of player base wants hard core content but those guys are flagship of any MMO.
Always just couple percent of players do hardcore but they are promotion and other players look up to them even though they will never reach that level of skill . Its completely rational that more skill, more time and more dedication should be rewarded- That reward for rpr's is vanity and for warriors is gear.
Guys - u see that every studio including ZOS is trying to please paying customers. Fact that i dont want to role play never made me to ask ZOS to move away lot for fight unnecessary ingame details. And that exactly is what u do when u say to Nifty - why u need it , go naked and similar egocentric trips.
Face it - there will always be guys like Nifty and there will always be guys like u. U will never be Nifty and he probably doesnt want to be u. U dont need to act as managers to alocate resources having in mind that if Nifty is pleased u will not be.
Get grip over reallity - taking down nifty's demands it will not be better - u will find yourself in game wihtout nifty in very sorrow game u dont want to play .

I Agree completely with this idea, i would love it and would make a great compromise too make most happy
if they made it so the items were just legendary and maybe a title there is no reason atall for people too ask for it to be nerfed as there wouldnt be any gear that wouldnt drop in veteran.

i really hope they take a serious look at this idea!

I do like the name of Heroic Mode, maybe a Lore friendly name if I can think of one I might change it, Nightmare is just the cliche' name

@Nifty2g - FFXIV actually does this with trials, not dungeons though.

They have a third tier of difficulty for trials called "Savage" mode. The developers described it as being close to how the trial was initially during development before they refined it to better suit most end game players.

If some reward are cosmetic or something. I've been wanting Caldwells "pot/helmet". It goes with the idea of nightmare mode too. Because Caldwell is a crazy character and you would have to be a little crazy to run the content

Any ideas for lore friendly names to call this mode? Nightmare doesn't really fit ESO

Nifty2g wrote: »

What do you and Beyond think @Woeler

If not Heroic Mode, could go ultra lorey and just call it Soul Shriven (Or Soul Destroying) mode

Heroic is quite nice

agree but as mentioned the rewards should be vanity only ie titles pets etc.