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Blanket Race Adjustment and Redundancy recommendations
MrGigglypants
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I believe that balance is achieved through diversity and currently this is not the case in ESO. So if every one is playing a Nord Dk then clearly that class is hampering players desires to play other class and race builds and something needs to be changed.
I would like to see across the board racial balancing. This starts with opening every race up to every class and build.
This can be achieved by limiting the factors within each race I. E. Creating a template in which all races are based upon.
Race differences should very based on 3 factors
-Unique passives- Such as Khajit crit, Nord damage reduction etc. something that no other race has to offer.
-Max resource % Every race should give max % to highest resource instead of stam or magicka this opens races up to a variety of builds rather limiting it to only stam or only magicka.
-Max resource regen % the same treatment as max resource.
I think certain class could easily have max Resource + max health into the max resource % just split so imperial would get say 8% max resource+ 8% max health.
Redundancy changes more commonly referred to as the removal of veteran ranks.
I think ESO could easily leave veteran ranks in place and appease the not so grind happy community by doing the following.
-Scroll of Wisdom- On use character is max level (requires 1 current max rank champion)
[/b]-Shared/ Account bound global skill lines- What I mean is fighters guild, Mages guild and Legerdemain lines all increase for the entire account.
-Sky Shard pick up (or skill points) being account bound
I think the key here is every one would still have to do everything at least once but avoid the endless grind that occurs if one desires an alt.
I would like to see across the board racial balancing. This starts with opening every race up to every class and build.
This can be achieved by limiting the factors within each race I. E. Creating a template in which all races are based upon.
Race differences should very based on 3 factors
-Unique passives- Such as Khajit crit, Nord damage reduction etc. something that no other race has to offer.
-Max resource % Every race should give max % to highest resource instead of stam or magicka this opens races up to a variety of builds rather limiting it to only stam or only magicka.
-Max resource regen % the same treatment as max resource.
I think certain class could easily have max Resource + max health into the max resource % just split so imperial would get say 8% max resource+ 8% max health.
Redundancy changes more commonly referred to as the removal of veteran ranks.
I think ESO could easily leave veteran ranks in place and appease the not so grind happy community by doing the following.
-Scroll of Wisdom- On use character is max level (requires 1 current max rank champion)
[/b]-Shared/ Account bound global skill lines- What I mean is fighters guild, Mages guild and Legerdemain lines all increase for the entire account.
-Sky Shard pick up (or skill points) being account bound
I think the key here is every one would still have to do everything at least once but avoid the endless grind that occurs if one desires an alt.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The metagame does not comprise of every single player in the world, you know.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MrGigglypants wrote: »@UltimaJoe777 Post isn't about meta its about diversity .
Of course, and as an anti-meta I am all about diversity and manage to find it just fine! More or less lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Uneed2Stop✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The metagame does not comprise of every single player in the world, you know.
MAAAAAN the majiin buu saga was kickass, ill just be the guy to say it. Irrelevant to ESO but you know what? I'm ok with that.0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Uneed2Stop wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The metagame does not comprise of every single player in the world, you know.
MAAAAAN the majiin buu saga was kickass, ill just be the guy to say it. Irrelevant to ESO but you know what? I'm ok with that.
It's about the slogan over the pic lol I was goin for the actual part of DBZ Abridged that has him say that but I found that instead and thought it more fitting since he is Majin Vegeta in that pic which fits the whole renegade thing lol
Point though is I'm glad I do things different from the metagame and favor variety. Even if it isn't the most broken thing in the game I still have fun using it because I came up with it and built it to cater my needs. Of course it isn't going to be totally unique, perhaps not even at all, but at least I didn't copy off of someone to come up with it. Even if it is an underdog build I still learn and grow with it and it usually works out fine.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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MrGigglypants✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Uneed2Stop wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The metagame does not comprise of every single player in the world, you know.
MAAAAAN the majiin buu saga was kickass, ill just be the guy to say it. Irrelevant to ESO but you know what? I'm ok with that.
It's about the slogan over the pic lol I was goin for the actual part of DBZ Abridged that has him say that but I found that instead and thought it more fitting since he is Majin Vegeta in that pic which fits the whole renegade thing lol
Point though is I'm glad I do things different from the metagame and favor variety. Even if it isn't the most broken thing in the game I still have fun using it because I came up with it and built it to cater my needs. Of course it isn't going to be totally unique, perhaps not even at all, but at least I didn't copy off of someone to come up with it. Even if it is an underdog build I still learn and grow with it and it usually works out fine.
You're missing the point and essentially giving no input, just saying you're ok with the way things are. I'm suggesting improvements that would only improve the health of the game.1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MrGigglypants wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Uneed2Stop wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The metagame does not comprise of every single player in the world, you know.
MAAAAAN the majiin buu saga was kickass, ill just be the guy to say it. Irrelevant to ESO but you know what? I'm ok with that.
It's about the slogan over the pic lol I was goin for the actual part of DBZ Abridged that has him say that but I found that instead and thought it more fitting since he is Majin Vegeta in that pic which fits the whole renegade thing lol
Point though is I'm glad I do things different from the metagame and favor variety. Even if it isn't the most broken thing in the game I still have fun using it because I came up with it and built it to cater my needs. Of course it isn't going to be totally unique, perhaps not even at all, but at least I didn't copy off of someone to come up with it. Even if it is an underdog build I still learn and grow with it and it usually works out fine.
You're missing the point and essentially giving no input, just saying you're ok with the way things are. I'm suggesting improvements that would only improve the health of the game.
The point is this is just another one of those threads where people want balance because things don't go their way blah blah blah yeah we get it. My point is people that are too competitive for their own good read way too far into these things and will always seek "balance". Makes me glad I just play for fun and can do so without worrying about "balance".Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've got a Breton DK Healer...you don't need to rebalance everything because there's some meta out there. There are top players ranked on leaderboard who go against type.0 -
MrGigglypants✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »MrGigglypants wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Uneed2Stop wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »The metagame does not comprise of every single player in the world, you know.
MAAAAAN the majiin buu saga was kickass, ill just be the guy to say it. Irrelevant to ESO but you know what? I'm ok with that.
It's about the slogan over the pic lol I was goin for the actual part of DBZ Abridged that has him say that but I found that instead and thought it more fitting since he is Majin Vegeta in that pic which fits the whole renegade thing lol
Point though is I'm glad I do things different from the metagame and favor variety. Even if it isn't the most broken thing in the game I still have fun using it because I came up with it and built it to cater my needs. Of course it isn't going to be totally unique, perhaps not even at all, but at least I didn't copy off of someone to come up with it. Even if it is an underdog build I still learn and grow with it and it usually works out fine.
You're missing the point and essentially giving no input, just saying you're ok with the way things are. I'm suggesting improvements that would only improve the health of the game.
The point is this is just another one of those threads where people want balance because things don't go their way blah blah blah yeah we get it. My point is people that are too competitive for their own good read way too far into these things and will always seek "balance". Makes me glad I just play for fun and can do so without worrying about "balance".
You're to into the game and read based on you're mood and sentiment of other players. My entire point is that you should be able to play any race with any class and any build and it be somewhat optimal. The only thing that should distinguish races largely should be a unique trait. This gives players meaningful options that lead to a variety in builds. I dont care how you play health of the game is the focus in this thread.0 -
MrGigglypants✭✭✭Shadesofkin wrote: »I've got a Breton DK Healer...you don't need to rebalance everything because there's some meta out there. There are top players ranked on leaderboard who go against type.
that's cool this isn't a meta post this is a health of the game post. You should be able to play any race who cares. While yes you can technically do so its not optimal to play a red guard night blade healer. My point is it literally should matter passives in the race lines should fluctuate from one to the next but the only major difference should be the unique trait I.E. Stamina return on hit which in this case it would be Max resource based on highest resource back on hit. Read me entire post.0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MrGigglypants wrote: »You're to into the game and read based on you're mood and sentiment of other players.
"Read based on your mood"? Yeah, that statement makes no sense. Also I am not nearly as biased as you claim I am. My opinions are the same regardless of my mood. Also yes I do enjoy the game but I'm not all obsessive fanboy about it lol I go by the same philosophy in every RPG, MMO or not.MrGigglypants wrote: »My entire point is that you should be able to play any race with any class and any build and it be somewhat optimal.
And you can. I play an Orc Nightblade built around a ninja theme and an Argonian Healing Sorcerer among other things. These are probably combinations no metagamer would approve of, but they work just fine for me. Frankly build success is in the eyes of the beholder. If all you seek is godly power then you tend to leave yourself few options regardless.MrGigglypants wrote: »I dont care how you play health of the game is the focus in this thread.
Sounds to me like what you're saying is you don't care about who is fine with the game as is and just want to see some change in your and anyone else that's on your side's favor. I won't judge ya for it, not like that kind of thinking is unique in this world lol but oft times whatever you believe is best isn't necessarily what others believe is best. If anyone agrees great! If anyone disagrees oh well everyone is entitled to an opinion. That's just how it is.
Now then It's not that I'm trying to derail your point or anything I'm just stating my 2 cents on the matter, that's all. I get your point entirely lol so don't sweat it.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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MrGigglypants✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »MrGigglypants wrote: »You're to into the game and read based on you're mood and sentiment of other players.
"Read based on your mood"? Yeah, that statement makes no sense. Also I am not nearly as biased as you claim I am. My opinions are the same regardless of my mood. Also yes I do enjoy the game but I'm not all obsessive fanboy about it lol I go by the same philosophy in every RPG, MMO or not.MrGigglypants wrote: »My entire point is that you should be able to play any race with any class and any build and it be somewhat optimal.
And you can. I play an Orc Nightblade built around a ninja theme and an Argonian Healing Sorcerer among other things. These are probably combinations no metagamer would approve of, but they work just fine for me. Frankly build success is in the eyes of the beholder. If all you seek is godly power then you tend to leave yourself few options regardless.MrGigglypants wrote: »I dont care how you play health of the game is the focus in this thread.
Sounds to me like what you're saying is you don't care about who is fine with the game as is and just want to see some change in your and anyone else that's on your side's favor. I won't judge ya for it, not like that kind of thinking is unique in this world lol but oft times whatever you believe is best isn't necessarily what others believe is best. If anyone agrees great! If anyone disagrees oh well everyone is entitled to an opinion. That's just how it is.
Now then It's not that I'm trying to derail your point or anything I'm just stating my 2 cents on the matter, that's all. I get your point entirely lol so don't sweat it.
its like you didn't read my post lol0 -
LBxFinalDeath✭✭✭✭Breton clearly needs a physical resistance passive since 99% of Breton NPCs are Knights.
Cuz ya' know Lion Guard represent and what not.
Get rid of the passive that reduces spell costs.
All I'm saying.Edited by LBxFinalDeath on October 27, 2015 6:55PM0 -
AshTal✭✭✭✭I agree the current balance system doesn't work. They need to improve the racials so that everyone can compete.1