Is there anything to recommend this game?

matronpain · October 2015

Hi all

After playing TES titles from day one I was eagerly looking forward to the launch of Skyrim, but after getting it, I was hugely disappointed. Here was a game with so much pedigree and potential but for me nothing in it gelled. I found everything sort of clunky and slow to respond on the PC, for me it was obviously a console designed game thrown together for a quick PC release. In fact it was that bad even my nephews traded their XBOX copies in after only a week, fast even for them.

So I was hugely looking forward to this game. Will it be another Daggerfall or Morrowind?
Will it be as good as its long term ftp competitors such DDO or SWTOR?
Or will it be as awesome as the p2p games that have stood the test of time such as EVE?

The beta's didn't give me much idea as out of them all I only managed a whole 2 hours playing time, as the game didn't work on either my laptop or PC, support were of new use whatsoever.

Then I came back for the free beta testers weekend and I must admit it was everything I'd feared, SKYRIM 2. I was crushed, this had become another Might and Magic 9, a game to kill off ever wanting to buy another title from the creators.

The thought of paying for this rubbish was never in my head, maybe one day when it became f2p and playable I'd give it a go again. Unfortunately my missus at the time decided to buy the game for me (just to wind me up knowing how much I disliked it). So I came back to try it, same again, a dreadful game that belongs on a console.

The point in all this is that the game is still on my machines and after a few drinks I tried to start it up and run into a few problems, after 27 hours of patching and repairing its ready to go (at least the launcher is ready).

Is there anything anyone can say to recommend this game to me?

does it have DDO's easy combat and PUG system? maybe the fun guilds of LOTRO? the in depth storylines of SWTOR? The massive sandbox and legal multi-boxing that is EVE? Interesting crafting (not the same as other games)? Turbines ability to grind cash shop points to buy game content? 20,30,40 man raids and ops? no lag or need for endless support tickets? anything at all to set it apart or make it worth playing?

looking back on this post is quite funny, I didn't realise how much dislike had gone into it, looks almost like a rant.

But it isn't, the reason I want to play it right now is because it wasn't working, that's it.

What I need is someone to give me a reason to come back or I'll just focus on all the negatives again (circular menu's for mouse users????????????) and bin it until I get drunk and bored again.

(p.s.) posted a reply in one of the technical forums b4 this one and I've been given points for posting, whoopee!!! could the devs please remember that those of us who played the original TES games aren't 13 years old, even if they probably are.

Rosveen · October 2015

Funny, other people dislike this game because it's not enough like Skyrim.

If you don't like it, you don't like it. I'm not going to sell you on a game you consider rubbish, especially when it's clear our tastes differ quite a lot. But you already own it - why do you need anyone's recommendation? Go play it and see for yourself. For what it's worth, it doesn't have any of the MMO features you listed.

ladyonthemoon · October 2015

Don't say that Skyrim, or any game, or film, or music, or whatever for what matters, is bad because you don't like it. The only way for you to know if you will like ESO is to play it yourself.

Francis_Toliver · October 2015

matronpain wrote: »

Hi all
But it isn't, the reason I want to play it right now is because it wasn't working, that's it.

What I need is someone to give me a reason to come back or I'll just focus on all the negatives again (circular menu's for mouse users????????????) and bin it until I get drunk and bored again.

Nope there is no reason for you to play. Please go back to whatever it was you were doing before you decided to get drunk and come here to whine. And please....next time you get drunk and bored again don't bother to come back. Please.

No really, pretty please.

You would not add one iota of positiveness to the rest of us and our experience of the game. So really, just mosy on back to WOW or LOTRO or where ever else you would feel more at home playing.

Please.

SirAndy · October 2015

matronpain wrote: »

Is there anything anyone can say to recommend this game to me?

After reading your post ... No, you're most certainly going to hate ESO.

ladyonthemoon · October 2015

SirAndy wrote: »

matronpain wrote: »

Is there anything anyone can say to recommend this game to me?

After reading your post ... No, you're most certainly going to hate ESO.

It's ESO that will not like him anyway.

newtinmpls · October 2015

matronpain wrote: »

looking back on this post is quite funny, I didn't realise how much dislike had gone into it, looks almost like a rant.

.

If it looks like a duck....

Anyway, no I can't recommend this game to you

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

If I understand correctly ... you hate 99% of the features of this game, that was made taking into consideration the huge success of another game that you also completely disliked. But we're supposed to work our way through all your hate because it's a game you still want to play.

Sounds like you need something much more powerful than just us to untwist your mind. In vino veritas.

Stranglehands · October 2015

Yeah if you couldn't tolerate skyrim you certainly won't like ESO. better off restarting morrowind or daggerfall or something really

briandivisionb16_ESO · October 2015

If you're a PvPer do your research before buying this game!
It is very 'zergy' as the mechanics are botched. 75% damage mitigation for groups bigger than 6! If you ever seen a zergball here you will see more lol

Techlisp · October 2015

If you keep doing the same thing and expect a different result, that's insanity.

Such dislike cannot be changed with anything but some mind manipulation [warhammer to the skull].

Tannakaobi · October 2015

Well, Eso is most similar to Oblivion not Skyrim!

Morrowind was in a league of it's own, superior in story and gameplay to basically anything before or after. I'm not looking at this from rose tinted glasses either. Character creation wasn't great. NPC's tended to say the same thing more or less. But the depth of the stories, the conflicting storylines and the simple fact it was so ahead for it's day made it really stand out. One of the first games that made me realise that immersion could really make a game. However I would place Skyrim, Oblivion and ESO as all great games only a little behind Morrowind.

I think you are far too harsh on Skyrim. Combat mechanics were far better, graphics were better. It was a bit more mainstream and simple, but still a great story in the TES world. For these reasons ESO is also a great game. The Combat is miles above any other TES game in terms of mechanics and immersion, which more than makes up for the lack of depth. Yes it's a shame that you can't do anything and everything in the game and it's seriously missing the magic schools, but for an MMO I'll take that. Can you honestly imagine PVP with a Morrowind combat system? If you really think about it, it's not good.

But honestly, I don't think I can convince you. It would be like trying to convince someone that the world is round when they think it's flat. I could present evidence that the Dialog in Skyrim is much more dynamic than Morrowind. I could support my belief that the story in Skyrim is just an ever growing account of the lore of Tamriel. I could demonstrate that combat is much more player friendly for more players in ESO, but I'd be talking to deaf ears. You have made your mind up, by the sound of it years before ESO was even created.

Also ESO does break Lore, change systems and much more. I view ESO as a TES game for MMO fans rather than an MMO for TES fans. It could have been so much more, but it is what it is, which is an enjoyable MMO with one of the best combat systems I've ever played in an mmo.

I doubt it will leave that lasting affection that games like Morrowind, FF7 and Metal Gear Solid 2 did for me, but these things are rare and reflect a moment in time more than just being good games. Which is why people have different views about what is what. I have no doubt that everything Morrowind made me feel the first time I played it through, some other kids felt while playing through Skyrim and someone else a long time ago found with Daggerfall. You have to give credit to Bethesda for that. They have released so many games time and time again that you could say this about, even with all the bugs and flaws that are part of them.

phairdon · October 2015

This game is nothing like Skyrim. Why should anyone here make up your mind for you? Log in, play for a few days, learn a class, learn how crafting works. Find a guild to join, then you'll have a group of players to run public dungeons, trials etc with. Btw, there is lag, which is a problem for a lot of players when it comes to the alliance war (pvp), not so much in the pve side of the game. Depending on where you're playing from in the world, lag is going to be unavoidable.

I'll say this much though. Started playing this game during the last two beta's. Almost put me off buying the game. Decided to purchase anyway. Played from early access through to July last year, before taking a 4 month break. Took a break because at the time as I was becoming annoyed with all the quest related bugs etc. Came back in December & have not looked back. This game is slowly improving. Is it the best mmorpg around? Doubtful. I do hope it improves over time with the addition of new dlc.

As for the Skyrim. Never experienced clunkiness. Question is, was your computer capable of running the game?

Pallmor · October 2015

As MMO's go, ESO is definitely one of the better ones, IMHO. Way better story content than almost any other MMO (and way more of it). Good mix of content for different types of players. Way more solo and casual friendly than most other MMO's, though you can group or go hardcore PvP too, if that's your thing.

Not to say it's without its flaws. The group-finder tool sucks. It can get grindy at times. PvP has balance issues. But most of these flaws are present in pretty much all MMO's.

So as an MMO, it's a great (and vastly underrated) game. As a TES game, it's also pretty good--loaded with an incredible amount of TES lore and content and pretty solo-friendly.

But if you're looking for another Morrowind, no it's certainly not that. Morrowind was a special snowflake, and it's highly unlikely you'll see another TES game that allows that much freedom or customization. It would be too hard to design a modern game like that and not have it be filled with tons of bugs and exploits. And you certainly couldn't design an MMO like that. Hard to imagine any MMO that let you kill essential NPC's and make custom spells that let you do anything. It would be a balancing/exploit nightmare.

icontested · October 2015

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

matronpain wrote: »

Is there anything anyone can say to recommend this game to me?

After reading your post ... No, you're most certainly going to hate ESO.

It's ESO that will not like him anyway.

I like this.. ESO demands only the strongest

nimander99 · October 2015

The combat is way better that Skyrim's slow and clumsy controls.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

My recommendation is to play till VR2 before trying to conclude if you like or dislike the game as you already own it. If you can't see yourself playing that far then you either don't like your character or don't like the game. Either way...the goal is accomplished and you can either keep playing or uninstall with no worries

ladyonthemoon · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My recommendation is to play till VR2 before trying to conclude if you like or dislike the game a...

Remind me, VR2 is level 52, isn't it? Does it really take so much time to know if you like a game or not?

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My recommendation is to play till VR2 before trying to conclude if you like or dislike the game a...

Remind me, VR2 is level 52, isn't it? Does it really take so much time to know if you like a game or not?

No VR2 isn't level 52. If you have that perspective then you don't understand how the game works.
VR anything is level 50 with added character stats as well as the benefits from champion points but it's not in any way considered level 52. If you must apply a level to it then maybe consider it level 58-66 ish but I'd stay away from that as again it's not how it works as at Vr1 a lot of other things come into play and if we use the level example it proves not to be numerical because a VR2 can do vr10 quests solo and that would be like level 58-66 doing level 100-130 questing which again isn't right. VR2 can go to Cyrodil and be battle leveled to Vr14 and do that stuff or on 11/2 be battle levels for Orsinium and crafting leveled for gathering....it's just not as you say 52 or vr2

The point of playing to VR2 is to complete the main story, and some of the silver quests or PvP, and or Craglorn, Cyrodil or Vet dungeons, Imperial City encounters to get a feel of what the entire game offers before trying to judge. But as mentioned if you can't see yourself playing that long then you already know it's not for you...uninstall and move to another game.

ladyonthemoon · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No VR2 isn't level 52. If you have that perspective then you don't understand how the game works.
VR anything is level 50 ...

Whatever. Do you really need to go through 50 levels to know if you like the game or not?

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No VR2 isn't level 52. If you have that perspective then you don't understand how the game works.
VR anything is level 50 ...

Whatever. Do you really need to go through 50 levels to know if you like the game or not?

Do you...that's a question you would need to answer for yourself.
I'm suggesting that if you quit prior to, then you would not have experienced the other 2/3'rds of the game.

Each person has to answer that for themselves. I'm only sharing the fact that 1-49 is just a very small part of the game as far as content. If someone doesn't want to play that much, then it's obvious that they don't like the game enough to play more. It's not enough to give a game review but enough maybe to figure out if you like any part but you have to get past the first part to determine if you like the other parts

Sithisvoid · October 2015

No, save yourself the headache and play something else. And yeah VR2 is lvl 52 learn to count

forgotten7377 · October 2015

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No, save yourself the headache and play something else. And yeah VR2 is lvl 52 learn to count

Do as he said find something else to play eso is a sinking ship you don't want to be on when it goes down at least the console version is no text chat still for console version this games done for

Gidorick · October 2015

ESO is less like the other TES games than it is like Skyrim, and it's not much like Skyrim.

It's funny that you ask if someone can recommend it. I have recently met a couple of people who are MMO gamers who have not played ESO. They played EQ in years past, currently plays EVE and DOTA. I really couldn't say anything about ESO to recommend it.

The only way I can honestly recommend ESO is if a player really wants to see more of Tamriel and wants to experience another story on Nirn.

Unfortunately, I really can't recommend ESO when it's compared to other games.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My recommendation is to play till VR2 before trying to conclude if you like or dislike the game a...

Remind me, VR2 is level 52, isn't it? Does it really take so much time to know if you like a game or not?

No VR2 isn't level 52. If you have that perspective then you don't understand how the game works.
VR anything is level 50 with added character stats as well as the benefits from champion points but it's not in any way considered level 52. If you must apply a level to it then maybe consider it level 58-66 ish but I'd stay away from that as again it's not how it works as at Vr1 a lot of other things come into play and if we use the level example it proves not to be numerical because a VR2 can do vr10 quests solo and that would be like level 58-66 doing level 100-130 questing which again isn't right. VR2 can go to Cyrodil and be battle leveled to Vr14 and do that stuff or on 11/2 be battle levels for Orsinium and crafting leveled for gathering....it's just not as you say 52 or vr2

The point of playing to VR2 is to complete the main story, and some of the silver quests or PvP, and or Craglorn, Cyrodil or Vet dungeons, Imperial City encounters to get a feel of what the entire game offers before trying to judge. But as mentioned if you can't see yourself playing that long then you already know it's not for you...uninstall and move to another game.

I agree that there several aspects to the game that need to be discovered before judging, but there's no need to reach VR2 for that.

If you don't like PvP at lvl 10 you won't like it more at lvl VR2.
If you don't like the graphics at lvl 10 you won't like the more at VR2 (landscapes change but the graphics are consistent throughout the game)
If you don't like questing or the story or the storytelling at VR10 you won't like it more at VR2.
If you don't like farming / trading / crafting at lvl 10 you won't like it more at VR2.
If you don't like the combat system at lvl 10 you won't like it more at VR2 (while admittedly you'll have more skills and options then but that doesn't change the combat system in itself)
If you don't like 4-man-dungeons at lvl 10 you won't like veteran dungeons either.

The only thing you cannot experience at all at lvl 10 is 12-man-content. I guess if you don't like the rest you won't like that either.

And, yes, Veteran ranks ARE levels. With a different name and a different scale, but still, they are levels, and strictly speaking, VR2 is level 51 (since level 50 doesn't exist).

Callous2208 · October 2015

forgotten7377 wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No, save yourself the headache and play something else. And yeah VR2 is lvl 52 learn to count

Do as he said find something else to play eso is a sinking ship you don't want to be on when it goes down at least the console version is no text chat still for console version this games done for

Omg really. I'm pulling out now. What will happen to me if I'm here when it goes down several years from now? Help please, I'm frightened!

Xendyn · October 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

forgotten7377 wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No, save yourself the headache and play something else. And yeah VR2 is lvl 52 learn to count

Do as he said find something else to play eso is a sinking ship you don't want to be on when it goes down at least the console version is no text chat still for console version this games done for

Omg really. I'm pulling out now. What will happen to me if I'm here when it goes down several years from now? Help please, I'm frightened!

*throws you a life ring*
I'd be more worried about the slaughterfish, tho

AhPook_Is_Here · October 2015

Gre4at loading screens!

Alucardo · October 2015

matronpain wrote: »

Is there anything anyone can say to recommend this game to me?

Goat pets

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My recommendation is to play till VR2 before trying to conclude if you like or dislike the game a...

Remind me, VR2 is level 52, isn't it? Does it really take so much time to know if you like a game or not?

No VR2 isn't level 52. If you have that perspective then you don't understand how the game works.
VR anything is level 50 with added character stats as well as the benefits from champion points but it's not in any way considered level 52. If you must apply a level to it then maybe consider it level 58-66 ish but I'd stay away from that as again it's not how it works as at Vr1 a lot of other things come into play and if we use the level example it proves not to be numerical because a VR2 can do vr10 quests solo and that would be like level 58-66 doing level 100-130 questing which again isn't right. VR2 can go to Cyrodil and be battle leveled to Vr14 and do that stuff or on 11/2 be battle levels for Orsinium and crafting leveled for gathering....it's just not as you say 52 or vr2

The point of playing to VR2 is to complete the main story, and some of the silver quests or PvP, and or Craglorn, Cyrodil or Vet dungeons, Imperial City encounters to get a feel of what the entire game offers before trying to judge. But as mentioned if you can't see yourself playing that long then you already know it's not for you...uninstall and move to another game.

I agree that there several aspects to the game that need to be discovered before judging, but there's no need to reach VR2 for that.

If you don't like PvP at lvl 10 you won't like it more at lvl VR2.
If you don't like the graphics at lvl 10 you won't like the more at VR2 (landscapes change but the graphics are consistent throughout the game)
If you don't like questing or the story or the storytelling at VR10 you won't like it more at VR2.
If you don't like farming / trading / crafting at lvl 10 you won't like it more at VR2.
If you don't like the combat system at lvl 10 you won't like it more at VR2 (while admittedly you'll have more skills and options then but that doesn't change the combat system in itself)
If you don't like 4-man-dungeons at lvl 10 you won't like veteran dungeons either.

The only thing you cannot experience at all at lvl 10 is 12-man-content. I guess if you don't like the rest you won't like that either.

And, yes, Veteran ranks ARE levels. With a different name and a different scale, but still, they are levels, and strictly speaking, VR2 is level 51 (since level 50 doesn't exist).

First ...vet is not just a new level. If you understand how the exp, zones and content are laid out you'll see that even ZOS explains this part of the game as not 51, 52, etc. it's also why they've decided to remove the VR instead of changing them to numeric levels.

As far as why someone would play past level 10....well you can barely get into dungeons and only non vet Cyrodil.
If someone purchased the game and is asking what it offers they have interest in playing but are seeking direction on how to find or locate their interest as something caused them to buy.

Level 10 is basically one afternoon of play. Just a few hours and if they have decided at or before level 10 that they don't like the game, that's fine but players in those situations don't come to the forums and ask how to find something. They create a farewell thread, a complaint thread or they don't use the forums at all.

In context...this is indicative of someone seeking veterans of the game for insight....that comes with playing through the base game as the real game doesn't begin for most until after hitting 45 and having access to at least all the dungeons and basic faction areas in their starting faction and coldharbour part 2

Rosveen · October 2015

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No, save yourself the headache and play something else. And yeah VR2 is lvl 52 learn to count

He's right about this one, v2 doesn't feel like level 52. The XP curve changes when you reach vet ranks. The story becomes a unimmersive mess and destroys faction loyalty. The champion system comes into play. It's all more streamlined now than it used to be, but it still feels different from regular leveling - and I think we all know how many people left the game over the initial design of vet ranks.

That said, I agree the OP doesn't need 50 levels to find out if he likes the game. In fact, he already knows.

Alucardo wrote: »

matronpain wrote: »

Is there anything anyone can say to recommend this game to me?

Goat pets

Lies.

They aren't in the game yet. Neither is baby netch. My crowns are waiting, Zenimax, gimme a pet goat!