Are Dragonknights Relevant For Anything Besides Tanking or Stamina DPS?

CavalierPrime · October 2015

Im trying to play as a Breton Dragonknight magicka DPS and its very underwhelming even with all v16 legendary gear. I know Julianos Law set and Maelstrom staff will help get our damage and crits up near stamina build levels, but its disturbing when an Altmer Templar Healer is doing comparable dps than me. This isnt a case of "git good", Im piloting this character as well as it will let me, I've completed vet dsa and Sanctum Ophidia, but I feel like magicka Dragonknights are severely disadvantaged compared to every other build. No execute, no escape, no mobility, low sustain. This is the style I've played on Oblivion and Skyrim, and it seems like Im forced to reroll a Tornado Templar or a Wrecking Blow Nightblade.

Tonnopesce · October 2015

Dk are quite good as dps and this is the main problem for getting a buff for pvp.

Imho you are not using a good skiill rotation

Forestd16b14_ESO · October 2015

Actually since the NB META took over DKs are starting to get out classed by NBs as tanks so were starting to even become useless in PvE. Seriously ZOS we suffered a year worth of nerfs and starting to become out classed to NBs as tanks for what ???? Just so our dragon talons can't be blocked ????

P.S. This whole stuff about being a good DPS is just a magic DK spamming flame lash that's it they just buff up fire damage and magic damage just to spam that 1 skill over and over.

Malmai · October 2015

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Im trying to play as a Breton Dragonknight magicka DPS and its very underwhelming even with all v16 legendary gear. I know Julianos Law set and Maelstrom staff will help get our damage and crits up near stamina build levels, but its disturbing when an Altmer Templar Healer is doing comparable dps than me. This isnt a case of "git good", Im piloting this character as well as it will let me, I've completed vet dsa and Sanctum Ophidia, but I feel like magicka Dragonknights are severely disadvantaged compared to every other build. No execute, no escape, no mobility, low sustain. This is the style I've played on Oblivion and Skyrim, and it seems like Im forced to reroll a Tornado Templar or a Wrecking Blow Nightblade.

Magicka is still the best for PvE or PvP so no whining...

Xjcon · October 2015

Magicka DK behind Stamina????? Show me a Stamina DK that out performs a Magicka DK.

hedna123b14_ESO · October 2015

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Im trying to play as a Breton Dragonknight magicka DPS and its very underwhelming even with all v16 legendary gear. I know Julianos Law set and Maelstrom staff will help get our damage and crits up near stamina build levels, but its disturbing when an Altmer Templar Healer is doing comparable dps than me. This isnt a case of "git good", Im piloting this character as well as it will let me, I've completed vet dsa and Sanctum Ophidia, but I feel like magicka Dragonknights are severely disadvantaged compared to every other build. No execute, no escape, no mobility, low sustain. This is the style I've played on Oblivion and Skyrim, and it seems like Im forced to reroll a Tornado Templar or a Wrecking Blow Nightblade.

DK are quite good, not sure what you mean...soon as the IC DLC dropped I went into a v16 dungeon as a v14 with my old sets and bars unchanged...still pulled 20k+ dps...but rotation is definitely key. You have 4 dots that you have to cycle through and if you neglect them, your dps drops.

americansteel · October 2015

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Im trying to play as a Breton Dragonknight magicka DPS and its very underwhelming even with all v16 legendary gear. I know Julianos Law set and Maelstrom staff will help get our damage and crits up near stamina build levels, but its disturbing when an Altmer Templar Healer is doing comparable dps than me. This isnt a case of "git good", Im piloting this character as well as it will let me, I've completed vet dsa and Sanctum Ophidia, but I feel like magicka Dragonknights are severely disadvantaged compared to every other build. No execute, no escape, no mobility, low sustain. This is the style I've played on Oblivion and Skyrim, and it seems like Im forced to reroll a Tornado Templar or a Wrecking Blow Nightblade.

I have a DK nord V13 on PC since release and a V1 console nord DK I feel as if it would suit a DK better if we had something more DPS like a Templars spear something like a lava spear or javelin, lava sweep? my DKs are mostly stamina based while using some magic for whip and talons.

Moglijuana · October 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

Magicka DK behind Stamina????? Show me a Stamina DK that out performs a Magicka DK.

In PvE this comment would be correct. In PvP...LOL. Magicka DK is lowest of the lowwww

Acrolas · October 2015

I think part of the perceived problem is that for a NB, damage and sustainability are stacked, while for a DK they're two separate things to manage.

The flip side is that a magicka NB is probably more likely to accidentally mismanage resources than a magicka DK is. Deep down, the DK is always holding a little bit back for a heal or an interrupt.

Xjcon · October 2015

Moglijuana wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

Magicka DK behind Stamina????? Show me a Stamina DK that out performs a Magicka DK.

In PvE this comment would be correct. In PvP...LOL. Magicka DK is lowest of the lowwww

True. Based on the OP it looks as tho he is talking about PVE and DPS.

Cuyler · October 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

Magicka DK behind Stamina????? Show me a Stamina DK that out performs a Magicka DK.

Shhh @Xjcon didn't you know magicka DK are bad right now

xaraan · October 2015

A magicka DK I run with has insane DPS. I think DK is in the early NB era where you have to know exactly what you're doing on a build, get it just right and have an awesome rotation and if you do, it destroys. If not, it falls short.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2015

Unless someone can show me some updated screen shots, Magic DKs are still winning single target sustained DPS races (greater than a minute or so). I suppose its hard to be 100% sure on that because nobody runs trails anymore. Sorcs and NBs might out burst them, but DKs are pulling 25K+ on single target fights without issue. The rotation is not simple as you are keeping up 7 DoTs at a time (and the fall off for a bad rotation is very high), but I dont see other classes pulling 25k+ single target with any consistency. I am sure there are people with a ton of CP that break this rule, and sorcs do very high DPS when overload is up, but that is the exception to the rule.

MarRyb · October 2015

What's the rotation for Magicka DK DPS for 25k+. Any links, proofs, videos etc.

dday3six · October 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

...P.S. This whole stuff about being a good DPS is just a magic DK spamming flame lash that's it they just buff up fire damage and magic damage just to spam that 1 skill over and over.

PVE Magicka DK is about maintaining dots and debuffs before going in weaves with Molten Whip. It's a very solid build, when played correctly.

It's not one skill over and over. It's the same concept as every other DPS: Buff - DOT - Weave + Main Damage skill - Repeat. The major difference is that a larger share of a Magicka DK's damage comes from DOTs. Thus slop on rotation is more punishing.

MarRyb wrote: »

What's the rotation for Magicka DK DPS for 25k+. Any links, proofs, videos etc.

Check out the build posts on tamrielfoundy

Van_0S · October 2015

Half of what deltia's gaming and tamriel foundry post builds are for PvP.

Go to http://www.dungeoncrawlernetwork.com/2-1-guide-dragonknight-skills-morphs/ , you will know which abilities are good for your build.

Edit:
Spend some time is cyrodiil. To get some cool Alliance war skills.

PBpsy · October 2015

For me the DK stop being relevant in any way after 1.5 The class simply wast designed for what the game has become. It can still work and still can do most stuff pretty great but it simply isn't any fun anymore.

Xjcon · October 2015

PBpsy wrote: »

For me the DK stop being relevant in any way after 1.5 The class simply wast designed for what the game has become. It can still work and still can do most stuff pretty great but it simply isn't any fun anymore.

I have a lot of fun with my DK. Granted I wasnt part of PVP when DK reigned Supreme. But the current PVP Meta is Gross IMO.

Personofsecrets · October 2015

DK is better in most PVE stuff, but harder to play. That makes NB be perceived as better.

Sausage · October 2015

Self-heals and wrecking blow should do the trick.

willymchilybily · October 2015

I believe magicka DK is still good in PVE with the dots and whip standard set up, and I think when Orsinium drops and we have the 1 man arena magicka DK will be top for the DK leader boards over stamina,

In pvp we are lacking a bit, I mean you can be viable, but you won't ever be a threat more just a nuisance unless running in group where you will be able to cc and sustain to control the battle for your team. And 1 v x is gone, (well for me anyway) but 2 or 3 v x is fine.

Deltia's gaming has a flame lash 1.6 build that is similar to what most will still be running for PVE dps. Don't know if skoria set is still best option in 2.1 mind, and mostly I see people stack Mage light and sea of flames (or which ever morph it is I forget) for the bugged extra crit.

Armitas · October 2015

Look for a good dps build for your magicka DK. It's all in the rotation. Search for Xmovingtargets videos.

As for PvP, unless you want to hate your life on a daily basis I would avoid being a magicka DK. I would also avoid putting any hope in this company fixing that in a timely manner as well.

PBpsy · October 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

For me the DK stop being relevant in any way after 1.5 The class simply wast designed for what the game has become. It can still work and still can do most stuff pretty great but it simply isn't any fun anymore.

I have a lot of fun with my DK. Granted I wasnt part of PVP when DK reigned Supreme. But the current PVP Meta is Gross IMO.

I wasn't part of the of the PVP DK supremacy either.When I still cared about PVP I was magick NB when NBs where cannon fodder. MY fun with DK involved magick DPSing trials and Vet dungeons. DK was a blast. Literally. The class was designed around dynamic ultimate generation . I just can't be bothered to touch my DK now.

Ishammael · October 2015

PBpsy wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

For me the DK stop being relevant in any way after 1.5 The class simply wast designed for what the game has become. It can still work and still can do most stuff pretty great but it simply isn't any fun anymore.

I have a lot of fun with my DK. Granted I wasnt part of PVP when DK reigned Supreme. But the current PVP Meta is Gross IMO.

I wasn't part of the of the PVP DK supremacy either.When I still cared about PVP I was magick NB when NBs where cannon fodder. MY fun with DK involved magick DPSing trials and Vet dungeons. DK was a blast. Literally. The class was designed around dynamic ultimate generation . I just can't be bothered to touch my DK now.

So many of the original design design decisions have simply been thrown out the window.

The game changes have been catastrophic for the DK. As you said, the DK was designed around dynamic ult.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · October 2015

I play mag dk in pve . In general Mag DK has best dps output. Sorcs are wining in burst phases due to overload.
More or lest rotation didnt changed. If u go single target : Eruption, Destructive clench , Engulfing , Burning, Nx Whip.
For aoe u should use Engulfing , Eruption , Draw Essence and Fire ring. Elemental drain is necessity.
Gear changed a lot . Sun set and valkyn are off and molag kena, scathing mage, willpower jewelry is on . Mundus stone changed to thief/shadow. Importance of critical picked up. If we talk melee fights(appropriate strategies) than in new dungeons with mag dk u can always be in neighborhood of 30 k dps. If we talk range fights u cant match sorcs or even mag nb. Lucky most of fights can be melee if your group has sufficient dps.

Bhakura · October 2015

They make good heals too. Put the right cp in, shielding

Level66Charizard · October 2015

This post makes me want to try a Magicka DK

tangy.citrus · October 2015

Magicka DK's can do insane damage. It may require a healer to run ele drain and/or even putting orbs on the boss. But thats a small price to pay for the sustain of doing crazy damage. Find a good healer that will run those things for you, put molag kena on and keep it proc'd the whole fight and see just how crazy high your damage gets. Of course, it will require some skill if you have it.