Two handed or dual wield for Magicka builds

olsborg · September 2015

I still find it stupid that to get max spelldmg/dmg with spells, you have to use a freaking sword...as a wizard of the mages guild etc etc.. (archetype wizard)

ChefZero · September 2015

@Asayre the 2035 are wrong. Tested it on PTS and only 1885 also enough for using 2h. I tested it on following way:

DW

5x Overwhelming
1x Randomset
1x Molag Kena
3x Willpower
1x Agility and 1x Endurance Sword

(Total Stats: 32982 Magicka, 2262 Magicdamage)

2h

5x Overwhelming
2x Randomsets (I switched Molag Kena to simulate the lose of 129 Magicdamage, like you do it with 2 Torugs Swords)
3x Willpower
1x Endurance 2h Sword

(Total Stats: 32982 Magicka, 2022 Magicdamage)

Unequipped: 451 Magicdamage x 0,525 + 32982 Magicka x 0,05 = 1885

Vaelen · September 2015

I prefer DW since you get the extra set bonus, which for me is the 200 some spell damage from willpower. Think about it, 2 willpower swords + willpower neck = full set of 3, then you can add 2 endurance rings with magicka on them for a 2 set health bonus plus more magicka.

Asayre · September 2015

@MrTarkanian48, I read the tooltip for Funnel Health and I think it will benefit from using 2H since the heal is based off damage. This sounds similar to Puncturing Sweep where the heal is also a percentage of the damage done. The difference in spell power between Destro and Dual wield is around 347 Spell Damage.

Asayre · September 2015

@ChefZero, could you use Major Sorcery to test both setups? Without Major Sorcery the threshold is 1696.

I tried something similar on the PTS with the setup you used.

DW SD 2262, Mag 31283, Funnel health tooltip 5255
2H SD 2022. Mag 31283. Funnel health tooltip 5265
Unequipped: 451*0.525 + 31283*0.05 = 1800

With Major Sorcery
DW SD 2714, Mag 31283, Funnel health tooltip 5708
2H SD 2426. Mag 31283. Funnel health tooltip 5691
Unequipped: 541*0.525 + 31283*0.05 = 1848

@Vaelen, that is a pretty good idea. When I first thought about using 2H I was thinking specifically between Torugs dual wield and Torug 2H and it was also before ZOS bumped the Willpower set by 50%. If you go the path you suggested the threshold is higher thus favouring dual wielding.

ChefZero · September 2015

It's no longer of interest. I got my new gear and hit the 37k Magicka.

Lylith · September 2015

personally, i found this thread quite informative.

many thanks to Asayre for providing such detailed and helpful insights.

NoRefunds · October 2015

thanks for the informative post, in 1.7 i heard that dual swords with nirnohed were giving more penetration than a destro staff with nirn, do you know if its the same for 2h swords? this might make some difference, especially in pvp, thank you

Asayre · October 2015

I have yet to hear that dual nirnhoned swords give more penetration than nirnhoned destro staff for class skills. I believe that the penetration values are the same. Each sword's spell penetration is half that of a nirnhoned staff and since penetration stacks additively it should be the same.

Asayre · October 2015

In the Orsinium PTS, the calculation for Twin blade and blunt and Heavy Weapons are similar thus DW is always better than 2H in Orsinium.

ChefZero · October 2015

@Asayre Realy? Sounds nice

Are both passives now like DW or 2H?

Asayre · October 2015

Both passives increase the tooltip damage by 5% thus DW is better than 2H in Orsinium because DW naturally has higher spell damage and also you get an extra set bonus.

ChefZero · October 2015

Asayre wrote: »

Both passives increase the tooltip damage by 5% thus DW is better than 2H in Orsinium because DW naturally has higher spell damage and also you get an extra set bonus.

Should be a huge buff for DW... Mh so maybe I won't reroll to Maelstrom Destro cause DW is to strong.