How come so few people roll(ed) DC?

Jitterbug · October 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SamRothstein wrote: »

I like to play as a human and the Nord was most human. When i made my character I had no clue that's there are three separate main quest campaigns.

I don't know, DC has two human races: Breton and Redguard. I'm not sure what makes Nord more human. There's also Imperial.

Nord would by definition be more human than Breton seeing that Nord is 100% and Breton is 50%

AngryNord · October 2015

Jitterbug wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SamRothstein wrote: »

I like to play as a human and the Nord was most human. When i made my character I had no clue that's there are three separate main quest campaigns.

I don't know, DC has two human races: Breton and Redguard. I'm not sure what makes Nord more human. There's also Imperial.

Nord would by definition be more human than Breton seeing that Nord is 100% and Breton is 50%

Eeeeh, Bretons are always counted among the Man races. They do have some Elven blood, but it is far less than 50%, really.

Kwivur · October 2015

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

The funniest posts I've seen here are the people saying "EP is the go to for older players and true fans because Morrowind and Skyrim."

Are you kidding me?

Do you even know theres a game named Daggerfall and it came out ages before Skyrim and Morrowind?

If anything old school ES fans will ditch EP/AD and go DC unless they are too young to even know about Daggerfall if we're gonna talk about nostalgia.

I still want wereboars.

I started with Arena.... Where's my arena? DC FOR LIFE!!!

UrQuan · October 2015

Jitterbug wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SamRothstein wrote: »

I like to play as a human and the Nord was most human. When i made my character I had no clue that's there are three separate main quest campaigns.

I don't know, DC has two human races: Breton and Redguard. I'm not sure what makes Nord more human. There's also Imperial.

Nord would by definition be more human than Breton seeing that Nord is 100% and Breton is 50%

Bretons are a lot more than 50%, as most of the Breton bloodline is Nedic in origin, but yes, Nords are 100% human, while Bretons are only mostly human and part mer.

NBrookus · October 2015

Obviously folks have different motivations and view different factions in different ways. That says a lot for the game development; there's something for almost everyone. I wanted to tank, so I waffled between Redguard and Orc and finally chose Orc; either way that meant DC. I knew I was going to get to see the other regions.

I thought the story line in DC was the poorest and Emeric the weakest leader. I like the desert regions and variety of scenery. The side quests were interesting, but I hadn't had time to get bored of duplicate quests yet.

The AD queen is personable but I liked Raz better, and I felt the AD story was tighter. But I pretty much hated the reset of the quests in the zone.

I'm not done with EP yet, but the main quest is my favorite so far, and Eastmarch has been fun overall. Deshaan and Stonefalls bored me to tears tho; after a while I quit them and just did the main quests.

I have an alt that started in AD; the zone chat is excretable. It sounds like a bunch of trash-talking 14 year old boys. If I had started in AD (before I knew you could turn off zone chat), I might have quit before I found out there are lots of pleasant and helpful players in ESO.

Jitterbug · October 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

Ah, thank you. Oh, by the way, didn't I read somewhere that veterans ranks are due to be removed?

Let's say... there's or there's been a plan to remove them (because people thought the road to "endgame" - where it all begins according to them - was too long). That was like at the beginning of 2015.
But since then it's been delayed and postponed and contradicted and discussed... and for now all we can say is that we don't know whether the Veteran Ranks will be removed or not.

In my humble opinion it doesn't matter much, there will always be a progression system and whatever it's called doesn't make any real difference. The tiering of gear might be heavily impacted, though.

Or...
the game was built without veteran ranks, but the whine on the forums, that you couldn't see everything with the same character was so strong and immense that ZoS finally caved and made it possible to quest in the other factions.
In stead of just going "ok, you can quest there, geez" they created an intricate veteran rank system that has since bit them you know where.
Now, they want to remove them again (hopefully still), and I think that's a great idea. Care to venture a guess as to how many players have quit the game mid-veteran ranks because the grind was too huge? And then they added two more ranks. And two more. And two more.

Jitterbug · October 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SamRothstein wrote: »

I like to play as a human and the Nord was most human. When i made my character I had no clue that's there are three separate main quest campaigns.

I don't know, DC has two human races: Breton and Redguard. I'm not sure what makes Nord more human. There's also Imperial.

Nord would by definition be more human than Breton seeing that Nord is 100% and Breton is 50%

Eeeeh, Bretons are always counted among the Man races. They do have some Elven blood, but it is far less than 50%, really.

Fair enough, but still not 100% human though.

RizaHawkeye · October 2015

Kwivur wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

The funniest posts I've seen here are the people saying "EP is the go to for older players and true fans because Morrowind and Skyrim."

Are you kidding me?

Do you even know theres a game named Daggerfall and it came out ages before Skyrim and Morrowind?

If anything old school ES fans will ditch EP/AD and go DC unless they are too young to even know about Daggerfall if we're gonna talk about nostalgia.

I still want wereboars.

DC FOR LIFE!!!

Hmmm ... maybe a tatooo?

efroh · October 2015

It's interesting that OP says there's not many DC out there. I love my Khajit, but I feel the AD alliance was a bad choice. There never seems to be any AD peeps out there in Cyrodil - makes questing and picking up the shards such a pain, since it's a 15 min horse ride to get out to some of the delves and quest line cities in the EP and DC areas of Cyrodil if you don't have any keeps to teleport to out there.

RizaHawkeye · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SamRothstein wrote: »

I like to play as a human and the Nord was most human. When i made my character I had no clue that's there are three separate main quest campaigns.

I don't know, DC has two human races: Breton and Redguard. I'm not sure what makes Nord more human. There's also Imperial.

Nord would by definition be more human than Breton seeing that Nord is 100% and Breton is 50%

Bretons are a lot more than 50%, as most of the Breton bloodline is Nedic in origin, but yes, Nords are 100% human, while Bretons are only mostly human and part mer.

Okay, here's something, though (and I admit I didn't read the entire thread to see if this has been discussed):

When I choose a race, I chose it only the basis of what culture I think my character would associate with. Discussions of bloodlines really, to me, makes little sense since by this time in Tamriel's history there would be enough interbreeding to make pure bloodlines for particular characters irrelevant.

Actually, that first statement isn't true: I choose to play a faction, then I choose a culture within that faction. For example, the character I've playing lately is an Imperial in the Daggerfall Covenant. Her mother was Imperial, father was Breton. Father moved to the Imperial City as young man to make his fortune and married my character's mother. So the bloodlines for my character would be mixed, even assuming the very unlikely possibility that both father and mother had pure bloodlines to being with.

For me, the race/faction choice represents a cultural decision more than a biological one.

NativeJoe · October 2015

*DC for life!*

You also have to consider the point that each faction has different "types" of players.

AD ~ Are elitists, they're min maxers with little loyalty to one another. You'll often see 1 guy sieging with 19 night blades guarding him looking for AP, or see them losing EVERYTHING, yet their "gank groups" are on every road, every where. Racials make this the faction of choice*

EP~ Hive mind. You'll rarly see these guys not in a zerg. If you do see one, its because he's the scrub not stealthing and is sitting on top of 40 of his brethren. Seriously Tho... These guys are just a RIVER of RED. Not skilled by in large, but 1 needle won't kill ya, 1000 will. Skyrim and morrowind make this the faction of the newest generations*

DC~ the individualists. These guys are EVERYWHERE in small amounts, fishing, herb gathering, and exploring dungeons. But when we are pushed back to the brink of being spawn camped... You'll get to see a massive Organized front occur. Pretty much every DC from EVERY corner of cyrodil and even some pve guilds show up... And then you get to witness the blue river sweep across the map. But till we';re pushed to that point, EVERYONE is off doing their own thing. < Other then old WOW players choosing this for the colors, I don't know why people choose this faction. I chose this faction because my friends where on it, my friends said it was the lowest population faction... and from playing wow... playing the least desired/ugliest faction creates the best most mature players. and pushing 30 thats where I needed to be :P

LBxFinalDeath · October 2015

Technically every race's bloodline is pure excluding the Bretons which are the only hybrid race to ever exist.

It took ages upon ages of the ancient elves who enslaved a tribe of Nedes forcing said Nedes to do the lewd to finally create a hybrid.

For some strange reason the child is 99.9% always the race and bloodline of the mother with no trace of the father for some reason...the 0.01% = Bretons who broke all the rules of Tamriel's nature cuz best race.

So interbreeding doesn't dilute bloodlines

UrQuan · October 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

For me, the race/faction choice represents a cultural decision more than a biological one.

Nothing at all wrong with that. That's a perfectly reasonable way to make the choice. For me it's all about the image I have in my mind about who the character I'm creating is - and a large part of that is exactly the type of thing you're talking about.

WillhelmBlack · October 2015

Long time Elder Scrolls fans rolled DC. Skyrim fans rolled EP and MMO players rolled AD as at launch they had the best races overall and a couple popular streamers were starting a huge guild on that faction.

One of your posts made me laugh OP, you want to be in the largest faction or something?

WillhelmBlack · October 2015

Paazhahdrimaak wrote: »

I see most people who have never played another elder scrolls game like the DC, it's more fimillar to them, while the real fans want to see morrowind again or explore the Summerset Isles. Sees like the kids and newbies like daggerfall. Just my opinion.

Possibly now, I'm not sure. It wasn't like that at all at launch. I'd say 50% of our guild is over 30.

IKilled007 · October 2015

efroh wrote: »

It's interesting that OP says there's not many EP out there. I love my Khajit, but I feel the AD alliance was a bad choice. There never seems to be any AD peeps out there in Cyrodil - makes questing and picking up the shards such a pain, since it's a 15 min horse ride to get out to some of the delves and quest line cities in the EP and DC areas of Cyrodil if you don't have any keeps to teleport to out there.

The OP said there's not many EP out there? LOL READING FAIL.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

Jitterbug wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SamRothstein wrote: »

I like to play as a human and the Nord was most human. When i made my character I had no clue that's there are three separate main quest campaigns.

I don't know, DC has two human races: Breton and Redguard. I'm not sure what makes Nord more human. There's also Imperial.

Nord would by definition be more human than Breton seeing that Nord is 100% and Breton is 50%

I'm sure not all Nords are a perfect mix. Some are part giant clearly (and apparently giants and humans are related). Some probably mixed with the Falmer. There's likely some mix with other groups too (Dunmer, Redgard, even Orc). The thing is they're mostly Nord. The 50% elf thing doesn't make sense for Bretons. They're humans first, with a little elf in them, just like Bosmer are Elves first, with a little human in them (which is why Altmer consider them an inferior mongrel elven race).

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SamRothstein wrote: »

I like to play as a human and the Nord was most human. When i made my character I had no clue that's there are three separate main quest campaigns.

I don't know, DC has two human races: Breton and Redguard. I'm not sure what makes Nord more human. There's also Imperial.

Nord would by definition be more human than Breton seeing that Nord is 100% and Breton is 50%

Bretons are a lot more than 50%, as most of the Breton bloodline is Nedic in origin, but yes, Nords are 100% human, while Bretons are only mostly human and part mer.

Except for those manmer children in Stonefalls who are half Nord half dunmer. Oddly enough, the Nord came through ahead on those children (adult ones) even though in Racial Phylogeny it says the mother's race is usually dominant. They definitely look like nords, with slightly slanty dunmer eyes, but the muscles and sharp features of the Nord. These Nord kids would not fit in very well in Dunmer society by the way, and I suspect they would eventually do better amongst some other human group. I think Bretons are no where near 50% mer, but it definitely changed them a little. Lets say 10-20%. The reality is though that Bosmer and Ayleids are the same way, only their genome leans more in the mer lineup. I've also got to say these pinkskin altmer would probably be the ones that get executed by the Thalmor for racial impurity (read: human taint) in Skyrim. That is not a natural color for Altmer.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Technically every race's bloodline is pure excluding the Bretons which are the only hybrid race to ever exist.

It took ages upon ages of the ancient elves who enslaved a tribe of Nedes forcing said Nedes to do the lewd to finally create a hybrid.

For some strange reason the child is 99.9% always the race and bloodline of the mother with no trace of the father for some reason...the 0.01% = Bretons who broke all the rules of Tamriel's nature cuz best race.

So interbreeding doesn't dilute bloodlines

Again I cite the point of the Nord adult children whose mother is a Dunmer in Stonefalls. The rules aren't so clear all the time.

Either way I don't agree on the 'purity' of the other races. Imperial is the most cosmopolitan of all mongrels. Imperials are a mix of Redguard (thus the more tan tones of skin), Akaviri, Breton (from all the Colovian/High Rock wars), Nedic, Nordic, and even Altmer or Bosmer. If anything I think Imperials out-mongrel the mongrel (breton).

Bosmer are part human.

Ayleids were part human.

Based on the way some Altmer look in the game I suspect many of them are part human.

Junkogen · October 2015

People pick their faction for different reasons, but i think passives have a lot to do with it. Passives set the tone for play style. Overall, DC has the best racial passives now for this soft-cap free design. Therefore, I see the population going up. EP probably has the worst, but in the beginning there was a soft cap and DK vamps ruled the game. AD has both the "sneaky" roguish races (why ZOS put them in the same faction is beyond me), plus the best magicka race.

Callous2208 · October 2015

All about personal preference. Always played a nord. Always loved their culture and homeland, so that's where I rolled. There was no other choice for me.

Callous2208 · October 2015

NativeJoe wrote: »

*DC for life!*

You also have to consider the point that each faction has different "types" of players.

AD ~ Are elitists, they're min maxers with little loyalty to one another. You'll often see 1 guy sieging with 19 night blades guarding him looking for AP, or see them losing EVERYTHING, yet their "gank groups" are on every road, every where. Racials make this the faction of choice*

EP~ Hive mind. You'll rarly see these guys not in a zerg. If you do see one, its because he's the scrub not stealthing and is sitting on top of 40 of his brethren. Seriously Tho... These guys are just a RIVER of RED. Not skilled by in large, but 1 needle won't kill ya, 1000 will. Skyrim and morrowind make this the faction of the newest generations*

DC~ the individualists. These guys are EVERYWHERE in small amounts, fishing, herb gathering, and exploring dungeons. But when we are pushed back to the brink of being spawn camped... You'll get to see a massive Organized front occur. Pretty much every DC from EVERY corner of cyrodil and even some pve guilds show up... And then you get to witness the blue river sweep across the map. But till we';re pushed to that point, EVERYONE is off doing their own thing. < Other then old WOW players choosing this for the colors, I don't know why people choose this faction. I chose this faction because my friends where on it, my friends said it was the lowest population faction... and from playing wow... playing the least desired/ugliest faction creates the best most mature players. and pushing 30 thats where I needed to be :P

Here's a secret from the red side. Switch the faction names around and leave your paragraphs and you'll know what we say about you guys. My point? Everybody thinks their faction is the best and the others are elitist pricks or zergfest nubs.

UrQuan · October 2015

NativeJoe wrote: »

DC~ the individualists. These guys are EVERYWHERE in small amounts, fishing, herb gathering, and exploring dungeons.

I don't know that I'd agree with your generalizations (if nothing else, surely it varies depending on the platform/server), but I will note that last night when I was in Imperial City doing some solo questing on an AD character, I noticed a fishing line coming from nowhere. I watched and every now and then a lone DC character would come out of stealth when he caught something, then go back into stealth with a cast of the rod.

Naturally, I snuck up close on the other side of the foul water fishing hole from him, and cast my own line. I didn't stay too long for fishing, because I did want to get back to base, but it was nice to have some calm, quiet fishing with the enemy for a little while. I was reasonably confident that he was just interested in fishing, and that as soon as he saw I was casting a line as well he wouldn't attack me. I was pleased to find that I was right. When I decided it was time to go back to base, I gave him a jaunty wave, and went on my merry way.

Good times

efroh · October 2015

IKilled007 wrote: »

efroh wrote: »

It's interesting that OP says there's not many EP out there. I love my Khajit, but I feel the AD alliance was a bad choice. There never seems to be any AD peeps out there in Cyrodil - makes questing and picking up the shards such a pain, since it's a 15 min horse ride to get out to some of the delves and quest line cities in the EP and DC areas of Cyrodil if you don't have any keeps to teleport to out there.

The OP said there's not many EP out there? LOL READING FAIL.

Sorry, typo, on my phone.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

DC~ the individualists. These guys are EVERYWHERE in small amounts, fishing, herb gathering, and exploring dungeons.

I don't know that I'd agree with your generalizations (if nothing else, surely it varies depending on the platform/server), but I will note that last night when I was in Imperial City doing some solo questing on an AD character, I noticed a fishing line coming from nowhere. I watched and every now and then a lone DC character would come out of stealth when he caught something, then go back into stealth with a cast of the rod.

Naturally, I snuck up close on the other side of the foul water fishing hole from him, and cast my own line. I didn't stay too long for fishing, because I did want to get back to base, but it was nice to have some calm, quiet fishing with the enemy for a little while. I was reasonably confident that he was just interested in fishing, and that as soon as he saw I was casting a line as well he wouldn't attack me. I was pleased to find that I was right. When I decided it was time to go back to base, I gave him a jaunty wave, and went on my merry way.

Good times

The Angler Brotherhood. :P

Saucy_Jack · October 2015

Because Angier Stower's voice saying "WELCOME TO THE BANK OF DAGGERFALL" over and over in your brain wears at you after a while

RANSOR! YOU MADMAN!

UrQuan · October 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

DC~ the individualists. These guys are EVERYWHERE in small amounts, fishing, herb gathering, and exploring dungeons.

I don't know that I'd agree with your generalizations (if nothing else, surely it varies depending on the platform/server), but I will note that last night when I was in Imperial City doing some solo questing on an AD character, I noticed a fishing line coming from nowhere. I watched and every now and then a lone DC character would come out of stealth when he caught something, then go back into stealth with a cast of the rod.

Naturally, I snuck up close on the other side of the foul water fishing hole from him, and cast my own line. I didn't stay too long for fishing, because I did want to get back to base, but it was nice to have some calm, quiet fishing with the enemy for a little while. I was reasonably confident that he was just interested in fishing, and that as soon as he saw I was casting a line as well he wouldn't attack me. I was pleased to find that I was right. When I decided it was time to go back to base, I gave him a jaunty wave, and went on my merry way.

Good times

The Angler Brotherhood. :P

I felt slightly bad about ambushing a Xivkyn that was minding his own business fishing earlier, but I needed to kill 4 Xivkyn for a quest. I felt like by not attacking the 'enemy' DC player, who was also a fellow angler (and therefore can hardly count as an enemy in my book), I was making up for my slight guilt over the Xivkyn.

Saucy_Jack · October 2015

Also, as to why I rolled DC, it was actually the opposite of the fanboy response.

I loved Morrowind. I loved Skyrim. But when I signed up for ESO, my mindset was basically "Since I played Morrowind, I've seen enough volcanic ash and dunmer to choke a camel. Since I played Skyrim, I've seen enough snow and nords to choke a camel." Wasn't about to pick ANOTHER dunmer or ANOTHER nord.

As for why I didn't pick AD, I had my fill of elves with LOTR.

nimander99 · October 2015

I rolled AD to start in a zone I had never visited in Tamriel before.

Everyone else rolled EP because Skyrim/Morrowind.

Shadesofkin · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

As many have pointed out here, EP is the obvious choice for the veteran ES players: Morrowind players mostly.

Wouldn't truly veteran ES players be more likely to play DC? After all, Daggerfall came out long before Morrowind, and I'd think that the true vets who played it would be more interested to see the setting of that game updated, rather than going back to lands that have been explored in more recent TES games. Plus, DC has Stros M'kai for anyone nostalgic for Redguard (which I never played myself, but I recently picked up on the cheap and am going to play to see how Stros M'kai was portrayed in that game).

This was precisely the reason I originally voted for DC. I just got out voted sadly.