[Suggestion] Incentive to increase ESO+ memberships

Casdha · October 2015

Considering the recent patch notes for the latest PTS update. I thought of this idea that might make ZOS increase their ESO+ memberships.

If ZOS continues to create BoP items for this game (especially crafting materials) and only offer them to certain styles of play then I offer this suggestion as it is apparent this game will eventually go F2P - P2W.

Let ESO+ members have the option to sell BoP items by having them be BoE items for plus members. After all, you already have a steady stream of income from these folks. I think it would be a good incentive for folks to be ESO+ members as well as still offer a way for other players to obtain the items that would otherwise be BoP for them and is only available through certain styles of play that they may or may not wish to do. Once the item is bought by a non ESO+ member then it converts back to BoP.

If this is the way you insist on taking the direction of this games development, then I offer this as a suggestion to compensate and maybe appease some players.

CavalierPrime · October 2015

Cool I would love to buy a Molag Kena helmet from a sucker, oops I meant a subscriber.

Casdha · October 2015

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Cool I would love to buy a Molag Kena helmet from a sucker, oops I meant a subscriber.

Believe it or not, I actually hit agree on your post. I dropped my sub today. I suspect more will be coming soon.

Edit: no more blindly sending money on hope that things will get better.

GuyNamedSean · October 2015

I don't really mind this idea. The ESO+ guys get an additional source of income and I get the ability to buy items that would be rather difficult to obtain otherwise.

Xjcon · October 2015

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Cool I would love to buy a Molag Kena helmet from a sucker, oops I meant a subscriber.

The helm is hard to get?

phbell · October 2015

Interesting idea. It might make subscription worth while. Nice abstract thinking. Cheers.

Asherons_Call · October 2015

Something that has and always will bring in subscribers is the ability to get unique items that aren't available to non subscribers. Things like polymorphs, pets, mounts, etc. these items won't give you an advantage but are cool to have for some players

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

Worst suggestion ever, pure P2W.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

CavalierPrime wrote: »

Cool I would love to buy a Molag Kena helmet from a sucker, oops I meant a subscriber.

The helm is hard to get?

Not at all. You find it on every street corner of Tamriel.

CavalierPrime · October 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

The helm is hard to get?

This is bait.

Do subscribers really deserve more perks? I'm not subscribed to ESO+, but I am buying these DLC's with crowns. ZOS is still going to get around $100 a year from me for DLCs, why should you get to sell Monster pieces because you pay ZOS $180 a year?

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2015

I suspect that eventually ESO + will be the most viable option because of the sheer number of DLCs and their prices alone.

At this point it would cost me 5500 Crowns for the IC and Orsinium DLCs. Thats 4 months of subbing. Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild will be out in short order. And they may or may not be cheaper than IC and Orsinium. But theyre already asking for half a box price for Orsinium.

Eventually theyll have so much DLC out that the most cost efficient way of getting them, even if you want to outright buy them. Will be to sub up until you have enough Crowns saved up.

Genomic · October 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I suspect that eventually ESO + will be the most viable option because of the sheer number of DLCs and their prices alone.

At this point it would cost me 5500 Crowns for the IC and Orsinium DLCs. Thats 4 months of subbing. Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild will be out in short order. And they may or may not be cheaper than IC and Orsinium. But theyre already asking for half a box price for Orsinium.

Eventually theyll have so much DLC out that the most cost efficient way of getting them, even if you want to outright buy them. Will be to sub up until you have enough Crowns saved up.

MMOs don't work like that, because it eventually becomes too high an entry barrier for new players. Thus they almost always make earlier DLCs bundled/free after a certain amount of time.

Soulshine · October 2015

No. BIS items should not be bind on equip - ever. They could make them at best bound to account and available to any alt on that account but beyond that, it'd be just plain ole P2W and that is a Pandora's box you don't want to open.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Interesting... I wouldn't mind it, but it still doesn't really give me the incentive, to be honest. I don't have a lot of gold, so if I wanted to buy a Monster Helm/shoulders, I'd probably need way more gold than I've ever had.

What I think would give more incentive to sub, would be a slight increase in Alliance War rank progress, yes - I said it... Even if it's by only 2%.

Also, subscribers should get mail each month too, or as soon as they subscribe and the mail package would contain 5 Tri-stat drinks, potions, food and about 5k-10k gold. Sounds good, right?

Anorak · October 2015

Honestly I don't support this as it gives a big benefit over those who are subbed and those who are not. It is just dumb and generally unnecessary. I dropped the sub because of the game never feeling like there wasn't something stupid the devs were going to do and because the devs have made too many bad decisions recently. The game a year after launch is now worse than it was at launch imo.

Casdha · October 2015

As to this being a F2P/P2W idea, you are correct, but I don't like the F2P/P2W concept. This is a suggestion for them to keep the game going once it does.

If you didn't catch the patch notes on the PTS then let me enlighten you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

OVERVIEW
Thanks again for all your continued feedback!

NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
New Motifs
The mysteries of the Mercenary Motif have been unearthed by the Undaunted!
The Mercenary Motif is a brand new crafting style, available only through Undaunted activities.
To earn the Chapters of the Mercenary style, you must complete Undaunted Pledges and open their reward chests.

Bronze, Silver, and Gold chests all have a good chance to grant a Chapter of the Mercenary style, with Silver having a better chance than Bronze, and Gold having a better chance than Silver.

All three chests have a small chance to drop the full Book of the style, as well.

The Style Item for Mercenary, Laurel, is found by killing the final boss of Normal and Veteran dungeons, with Veteran dungeons' final bosses having a better chance than Normal final bosses.
This chance is also modified by your knowledge of the Mercenary style: If you know zero Chapters of the style, you will never receive a Laurel from any source. If you know all 14 Chapters, you will always receive a Laurel from Veteran dungeon final bosses, every time you kill one.

Laurels are Bind on Pickup - they cannot be sold, traded, or mailed.

I dropped my sub today because of the direction this game is going (F2P). But I respect the folks who have a job at ZOS enough to leave them a parting idea on how to get money to keep this game going if they are going to choose this route and still keep the common person around long enough to maybe buy content that they may like in the future.

Just because the Bureaucrats at ZOS want to force this into a F2P game doesn't mean I hold it against the folks who work for them. For me it is easy to see the difference between the talented folks who make this game from the ones steering the direction of development. Also Kudos to the ones who are told to keep us happy even though they are forced to blindfold us in the process.

Genomic · October 2015

Casdha wrote: »

As to this being a F2P/P2W idea, you are correct, but I don't like the F2P/P2W concept. This is a suggestion for them to keep the game going once it does.

If you didn't catch the patch notes on the PTS then let me enlighten you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

OVERVIEW
Thanks again for all your continued feedback!

NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
New Motifs
The mysteries of the Mercenary Motif have been unearthed by the Undaunted!
The Mercenary Motif is a brand new crafting style, available only through Undaunted activities.
To earn the Chapters of the Mercenary style, you must complete Undaunted Pledges and open their reward chests.

Bronze, Silver, and Gold chests all have a good chance to grant a Chapter of the Mercenary style, with Silver having a better chance than Bronze, and Gold having a better chance than Silver.

All three chests have a small chance to drop the full Book of the style, as well.

The Style Item for Mercenary, Laurel, is found by killing the final boss of Normal and Veteran dungeons, with Veteran dungeons' final bosses having a better chance than Normal final bosses.
This chance is also modified by your knowledge of the Mercenary style: If you know zero Chapters of the style, you will never receive a Laurel from any source. If you know all 14 Chapters, you will always receive a Laurel from Veteran dungeon final bosses, every time you kill one.

Laurels are Bind on Pickup - they cannot be sold, traded, or mailed.

I dropped my sub today because of the direction this game is going (F2P). But I respect the folks who have a job at ZOS enough to leave them a parting idea on how to get money to keep this game going if they are going to choose this route and still keep the common person around long enough to maybe buy content that they may like in the future.

Just because the Bureaucrats at ZOS want to force this into a F2P game doesn't mean I hold it against the folks who work for them. For me it is easy to see the difference between the talented folks who make this game from the ones steering the direction of development. Also Kudos to the ones who are told to keep us happy even though they are forced to blindfold us in the process.

I don't think that's entirely fair. There have certainly been some poor design choices by the devs, which affected player retention and subsequently led to B2P. I agree though that from there it does seem to be rolling downhill toward F2P.

Casdha · October 2015

Genomic wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

As to this being a F2P/P2W idea, you are correct, but I don't like the F2P/P2W concept. This is a suggestion for them to keep the game going once it does.

If you didn't catch the patch notes on the PTS then let me enlighten you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

OVERVIEW
Thanks again for all your continued feedback!

NEW FEATURES / UPDATES / BIG CHANGES
New Motifs
The mysteries of the Mercenary Motif have been unearthed by the Undaunted!
The Mercenary Motif is a brand new crafting style, available only through Undaunted activities.
To earn the Chapters of the Mercenary style, you must complete Undaunted Pledges and open their reward chests.

Bronze, Silver, and Gold chests all have a good chance to grant a Chapter of the Mercenary style, with Silver having a better chance than Bronze, and Gold having a better chance than Silver.

All three chests have a small chance to drop the full Book of the style, as well.

The Style Item for Mercenary, Laurel, is found by killing the final boss of Normal and Veteran dungeons, with Veteran dungeons' final bosses having a better chance than Normal final bosses.
This chance is also modified by your knowledge of the Mercenary style: If you know zero Chapters of the style, you will never receive a Laurel from any source. If you know all 14 Chapters, you will always receive a Laurel from Veteran dungeon final bosses, every time you kill one.

Laurels are Bind on Pickup - they cannot be sold, traded, or mailed.

I dropped my sub today because of the direction this game is going (F2P). But I respect the folks who have a job at ZOS enough to leave them a parting idea on how to get money to keep this game going if they are going to choose this route and still keep the common person around long enough to maybe buy content that they may like in the future.

Just because the Bureaucrats at ZOS want to force this into a F2P game doesn't mean I hold it against the folks who work for them. For me it is easy to see the difference between the talented folks who make this game from the ones steering the direction of development. Also Kudos to the ones who are told to keep us happy even though they are forced to blindfold us in the process.

I don't think that's entirely fair. There have certainly been some poor design choices by the devs, which affected player retention and subsequently led to B2P. I agree though that from there it does seem to be rolling downhill toward F2P.

It doesn't have to be fair, I have no delusions about my ability to make or break this game. I am simply leaving feedback and suggestions. ZOS can do with them what they wish.

JBsnow404 · October 2015

loyalty reward with every update, be it a pet, mount or costume that you can only get if you have been an ESO+ member at least since the launch of the previous patch.

Casdha · October 2015

JBsnow404 wrote: »

loyalty reward with every update, be it a pet, mount or costume that you can only get if you have been an ESO+ member at least since the launch of the previous patch.

They actually had this until Unlimited hit. The Stripped Senche (Bengal Tiger) was the last one if memory serves.

hmr13.76preeb18_ESO · October 2015

Absolutely against. So who will benefit more from this idea ? Guild who farm White tower and Prison ! Let put everything back in the bag. LoL

Casdha · October 2015

hmr13.76preeb18_ESO wrote: »

Absolutely against. So who will benefit more from this idea ? Guild who farm White tower and Prison ! Let put everything back in the bag. LoL

Honestly wouldn't know, I've never set foot in the white tower or prison.

Question where is the incentive if no one is to benefit?

Personally I'd rather see ideas like this vs :

Mats or Motifs only available in the crown store (it's coming if things don't change)
or
Legendary gear with stats better than anything in game (it's also coming if things don't change)

Yes I know they won't be exclusive to the crown store, there will be someway of obtaining them, but it won't be worth the effort or cash it will take to get them.

This may not be the best idea but at least I try. ZOS needs income and they are gonna get it one way or another. I'd like to see folks offer ideas to steer them away from the seemingly inevitable path they have started down.