Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Aeula wrote: »

To be fair we do have Stonefalls and Deeshan. Which houses Mournhold, city of light, city of magic.

Not impressed we can't even see Almalexia once the quests are completed .

You can, go back to Mournhold's temple and have a look. She doesn't have much to say though.
It'd be nice to see more of her though, she seems nice when she isn't trying to brutally murder you.

Enodoc wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Despite my fear of how ZOS might make Vvardenfell, I have to admit I am surprised it wasn't included in the original game or one of the first expansions. Even more surprised they didn't include Solstheim.

At least those damned invisible walls ZOS likes to put everywhere would make sense in Vvandenfell... What with the ghost fence and all.

...Except that the Ghostfence hasn't been built yet.

Regarding settlements, we know that Balmora, Suran, Ald'ruhn, Gnisis, Sadrith Mora, Tel Aruhn, and of course, Vivec City, all exist in this time period.

@Enodoc Gah... It looks like you're right. I thought it was erected at the battle of red mountain... and Elder Scrolls Wiki puts it as being constructed 1E 700. I'm finding sources that claim that the GhostGate was made shortly after the battle of Red Mountain... but more reliable sources claims that it was made "late in the 2nd era"... now for the awesome part.

Vivec in Morrowind:
"In the past, the Tribunal made seasonal campaigns to Red Mountain. We slew Dagoth Ur and his kin, though the Heart always revived them in time. Later, when we realized we couldn't destroy them, we created the Ghostfence to contain the threat."

Seasonal campaigns to red mountain to slay Dagoth Ur and his kin... who are later revived. Man it seems like they wrote that bit of lore FOR an MMO!

Now I really want Vandenfell!

Gidorick wrote: »

Vivec in Morrowind:
"In the past, the Tribunal made seasonal campaigns to Red Mountain. We slew Dagoth Ur and his kin, though the Heart always revived them in time. Later, when we realized we couldn't destroy them, we created the Ghostfence to contain the threat."

Seasonal campaigns to red mountain to slay Dagoth Ur and his kin... who are later revived. Man it seems like they wrote that bit of lore FOR an MMO!

Now I really want Vandenfell!

Saaay.... Good find! Sounds like the perfect setup for a new trial or something similar.

Gidorick wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Despite my fear of how ZOS might make Vvardenfell, I have to admit I am surprised it wasn't included in the original game or one of the first expansions. Even more surprised they didn't include Solstheim.

At least those damned invisible walls ZOS likes to put everywhere would make sense in Vvandenfell... What with the ghost fence and all.

...Except that the Ghostfence hasn't been built yet.

Regarding settlements, we know that Balmora, Suran, Ald'ruhn, Gnisis, Sadrith Mora, Tel Aruhn, and of course, Vivec City, all exist in this time period.

@Enodoc Gah... It looks like you're right. I thought it was erected at the battle of red mountain... and Elder Scrolls Wiki puts it as being constructed 1E 700. I'm finding sources that claim that the GhostGate was made shortly after the battle of Red Mountain... but more reliable sources claims that it was made "late in the 2nd era"... now for the awesome part.

Vivec in Morrowind:
"In the past, the Tribunal made seasonal campaigns to Red Mountain. We slew Dagoth Ur and his kin, though the Heart always revived them in time. Later, when we realized we couldn't destroy them, we created the Ghostfence to contain the threat."

Yeah, I think 2E 882 is the relevant year here. That's the year Dagoth Ur reawakens and binds himself to the Heart, so it must be shortly after that when the Tribunal start campaigns against him. It's then some time after that again when the Ghostfence is built.

How about finding a rare piece of lore that enables you to go where the Dwemer went.......always wanted to know that,since playing Morrowind.
They could be alive they could be dead,certainly opens things up to new ideas,crafts,armours and most other real money making endeavours.If they made it ,You would pay hehehe.

Well, to whom it may concern, here is the answer mister Lore-ence gave to my inquiry about Vvardenfell.

Also:
"Stand up... there you go. You were dreaming. What's your name?". "Well, not even last night's storm could wake you. I heard them say we've reached Morrowind, I'm sure they'll let us go."


Disclaimer: I do not own the image; I found it on nirn.net (among other awesome pictures)

shadowwraith666 wrote: »

I'd like to see Black marsh opened up first, most of the EP content is too Nord/Dunmer focused atm, especially with the upcoming clockwork city DLC, which is located underneath mournhold (according to the tribunal expansion).

DUNMER
Stonefalls
Deshaan
Bal Foyen
Clockwork city (coming soon)

NORD
Bleakrock Isle
Eastmarch
The Rift

Argonian
Shadowfen

As you can see the current EP distribution is a bit unbalanced.

I agree with what you're saying generally, but its not entirely true. Bal Foyen is an argonian settlement. The village of Bal Foyen is that argonian village you stumble into after escaping from Bleakrock and sailing there. You then travel west toward Stonefalls, which is up the mountains from that swampy plain. Stonefalls begins at that fortification on the hill, and yes that is a Dunmer fort.

Other than that I agree that I'd like to see more Argonian culture uncovered, because I've always had a soft spot for the lizard folk in the series. In terms of Dunmer culture, I expect to see a lot with Clockwork City as well as the Realm of Mephala... Mephala is after all the anticipation of Vivec, and the patron of the Morag Tong.

nimander99 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Despite my fear of how ZOS might make Vvardenfell, I have to admit I am surprised it wasn't included in the original game or one of the first expansions. Even more surprised they didn't include Solstheim.

At least those damned invisible walls ZOS likes to put everywhere would make sense in Vvandenfell... What with the ghost fence and all.

...Except that the Ghostfence hasn't been built yet.

Regarding settlements, we know that Balmora, Suran, Ald'ruhn, Gnisis, Sadrith Mora, Tel Aruhn, and of course, Vivec City, all exist in this time period.

Both of the following quotes are taken from www.UESP.net

"After the Battle at Red Mountain, Dagoth Ur remained inside the Ghostfence with the Heart of Lorkhan,"

"The Battle of Red Mountain was the battle which, among other things, led to the sudden disappearance of the entire Dwemer race. It took place around 1E 700,"

As you can see the Ghost Fence was up as early as 1E700

I'm sure it had been breached/repaired multiple times, which is why you have the Armigers and Ordinators and such.

Either way I'd love it if we could help the Tribunal out on the isle of Vvardenfell. Perhaps the story could even be related to a plot by worm cultists trying to wake up Dagoth Ur or resusciating some liches? Molag Bal does have a couple temples in Vvardenfell as I recall.

Elebeth wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Despite my fear of how ZOS might make Vvardenfell, I have to admit I am surprised it wasn't included in the original game or one of the first expansions. Even more surprised they didn't include Solstheim.

At least those damned invisible walls ZOS likes to put everywhere would make sense in Vvandenfell... What with the ghost fence and all.

...Except that the Ghostfence hasn't been built yet.

Regarding settlements, we know that Balmora, Suran, Ald'ruhn, Gnisis, Sadrith Mora, Tel Aruhn, and of course, Vivec City, all exist in this time period.

Both of the following quotes are taken from www.UESP.net

"After the Battle at Red Mountain, Dagoth Ur remained inside the Ghostfence with the Heart of Lorkhan,"

"The Battle of Red Mountain was the battle which, among other things, led to the sudden disappearance of the entire Dwemer race. It took place around 1E 700,"

As you can see the Ghost Fence was up as early as 1E700

I'm sure it had been breached/repaired multiple times, which is why you have the Armigers and Ordinators and such.

@nimander99
There were multiple battles at Red Mountain. One during the War of Succession (1E 416), then the one you mentioned, in 1E 700 (between Dunmer and Dwemer) and then the one against Dagoth Ur in 2E 882 after which the Ghostfence was built.

I quoted those 2 sentences because they were referring to the same event.

Enodoc wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Despite my fear of how ZOS might make Vvardenfell, I have to admit I am surprised it wasn't included in the original game or one of the first expansions. Even more surprised they didn't include Solstheim.

At least those damned invisible walls ZOS likes to put everywhere would make sense in Vvandenfell... What with the ghost fence and all.

...Except that the Ghostfence hasn't been built yet.

Regarding settlements, we know that Balmora, Suran, Ald'ruhn, Gnisis, Sadrith Mora, Tel Aruhn, and of course, Vivec City, all exist in this time period.

Both of the following quotes are taken from www.UESP.net

"After the Battle at Red Mountain, Dagoth Ur remained inside the Ghostfence with the Heart of Lorkhan,"

"The Battle of Red Mountain was the battle which, among other things, led to the sudden disappearance of the entire Dwemer race. It took place around 1E 700,"

As you can see the Ghost Fence was up as early as 1E700

I'll reopen an old discussion on that. I think that info is wrong.

I am just going off of what I read on uesp.net, if you are saying that site is incorrect then that's a whole different can o' worms but I'd be happy to read any other sources

edit: When you read references to The Battle of Red Mountain then they are referring to the battle of 1E 700... even though there were multiple battles at Red Mountain.

My source for the edit is... http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Battle_of_Red_Mountain

The Battle of Red Mountain was the battle which, among other things, led to the sudden disappearance of the entire Dwemer race.[1][2] It took place around 1E 700, at the end of the War of the First Council between the Chimer (led by General Nerevar, the Hortator) and the Dwemer (led by Dumac Dwarfking).[2][3] The whole truth of what happened cannot be determined due to conflicting accounts.[4] Regardless, by the time the dust settled, much of that dust was all that remained of the Dwemer.[2] Though Nerevar died, his people claimed victory, and four Chimer were positioned to become living gods.[1][2] It is speculated that some of the extraordinary events surrounding the battle may be explained by a Dragon Break.[5][nb 1]

This seems to have been the second "Battle of Red Mountain" recorded in history.[nb 2] Circa 1E 416, over two hundred years before the 1E 700 battle, Chimer-Dwemer forces under the newly-formed First Council repulsed Nord conquerors (who were weakened by the Skyrim War of Succession) and united Morrowind for the first time.[6][7] Witnessing that ignominious defeat compelled the Nordic leader Jurgen Windcaller, the most powerful Tongue of the First Era, to pursue his famous seven-year meditation on "how Strong Voices could fail", culminating in the discovery of the Way of the Voice and the formation of the Greybeards.[3][7][8][9][nb 1]

nimander99 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i have been asking for Vvardenfell since beta almost 3 years ago.

Despite my fear of how ZOS might make Vvardenfell, I have to admit I am surprised it wasn't included in the original game or one of the first expansions. Even more surprised they didn't include Solstheim.

At least those damned invisible walls ZOS likes to put everywhere would make sense in Vvandenfell... What with the ghost fence and all.

...Except that the Ghostfence hasn't been built yet.

Regarding settlements, we know that Balmora, Suran, Ald'ruhn, Gnisis, Sadrith Mora, Tel Aruhn, and of course, Vivec City, all exist in this time period.

Both of the following quotes are taken from www.UESP.net

"After the Battle at Red Mountain, Dagoth Ur remained inside the Ghostfence with the Heart of Lorkhan,"

"The Battle of Red Mountain was the battle which, among other things, led to the sudden disappearance of the entire Dwemer race. It took place around 1E 700,"

As you can see the Ghost Fence was up as early as 1E700

I'll reopen an old discussion on that. I think that info is wrong.

I am just going off of what I read on uesp.net, if you are saying that site is incorrect then that's a whole different can o' worms but I'd be happy to read any other sources

That's what I'm saying. Not the bit about the Battle of Red Mountain itself, but the bit that says "After the Battle at Red Mountain, Dagoth Ur remained inside the Ghostfence". Nothing I've found suggests that it existed then, and a number of sources infer that it must have been built after 2E 882.

According to Vivec, "In the past, the Tribunal made seasonal campaigns to Red Mountain. We slew Dagoth Ur and his kin, though the Heart always revived them in time. Later, when we realized we couldn't destroy them, we created the Ghostfence to contain the threat. These solutions were effective until Dagoth Ur ambushed us and captured Sunder and Keening. Since that time, our fortunes have waned as his increased."

According to Dagoth Ur's Plans, 2E 882-3E 417: Intermittent Tribunal campaigns assault Red Mountain.

The Ghostfence wasn't built until there had been numerous failed campaigns. The campaigns don't start until Dagoth Ur reawakens in 2E 882 and ambushes the Tribunal during their ritual, so Ghostfence must have been built some time after 2E 882.

Gidorick wrote: »

And another thing. Am I the only one that finds the name "ghostfence" kind of silly?

And yet, it makes sense; ghost fences are created from the remains of the deceased. Literally, a fence of ghosts.

Ancestors and the Dunmer:
The Ghost Fence

It is a family's most solemn duty to make sure their ancestor's remains are interred properly in a City of the Dead such as Necrom. Here the spirits draw comfort from one another against the chill of the mortal world. However, as a sign of great honor and sacrifice, an ancestor may grant that part of his remains be retained to serve as part of a ghost fence protecting the clan's shrine and family precincts. Such an arrangement is often part of the family member's will, that a knucklebone shall be saved out of his remains and incorporated with solemn magic and ceremony into a clan ghost fence. In more exceptional cases, an entire skeleton or even a preserved corpse may be bound into a ghost fence.

These remains become a beacon and focus for ancestral spirits, and for the spirit of the remains in particular. The more remains used to make a ghost fence, the more powerful the fence is. And the most powerful mortals in life have the most powerful remains.

The Great Ghost Fence created by the Tribunal to hold back the Blight incorporates the bones of many heroes of the Temple and of the Houses Indoril and Redoran who dedicated their spirits to the Temple and Clan as their surrogate families. The Ghost Fence also contains bones taken from the Catacombs of Necrom and the many battlefields of Morrowind.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

It does look like good inspiration for something in a future update though. In a slightly divergent topic though, I'm curious if anyone found St. Veloth's behavior in the EP Story a little odd, or is it just normal for the Dunmer ancestors to always choose to side with their heirs on a matter (in this case favoring the Tribunal over the Anticipations).

Dunmer worship their ancestors so it's not unusual for a dunmer saint to side with a living relative.

Recremen wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

You guys do know that if they did introduce Vvardenfell it would be very different from the Vvardenfell you saw in Morrowind, right? At the time of ESO Vvardenfell hasn't been opened up to settlement (and won't for centuries), so many of the places you saw in Morrowind won't exist yet, and there are very few inhabitants aside from Ashlanders.

@UrQuan You mean we could have an opportunity to explore the unique Ashlander culture pre-imperialism and pre-House? And with more focus on the Ghostgate defense? Might not be what a lot of folk would look for, but I'd be all about some Buoyant Armigers running around slaying the naughty Dagoth creations while exploring Ashlander tribal politics and Daedra worship and the things they do to combat the ash beasts. Heck, maybe some interplay between the Temple militants and Ashlanders disagreeing on how to deal with the threat.

Assuming I don't have my timing wrong and that the Ghostgate has indeed been build already.

Yup, that's exactly what I mean. Personally I think it could be very interesting (although it's not highest on my list of "locations I'd like to visit in ESO after the ones we already know are coming"), but I am a little concerned that if they added Vvardenfell as a zone a lot of the Morrowind fanboys would be pissed that it wasn't like it was in Morrowind... I think that true TES fans who understand the timelines and lore would probably enjoy it though.