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  • OrphanHelgen
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    AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
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    dont nerf nb.
    just buff everything else.
    problem solved.

    give DK a detect skill

    Everyone has a detect skill. It's called AoE attacks.

    You are right. I have start using aoe spam on nb's more often lately.
    What I ment tho, was a skill that prevented them to enter stealth for a couple of seconds. But nvm that, I want nb to have invis skill, no problem on that part.

    What I feel are OP with NB, is the other things. They have easy acces to all nescesary buffs, like major brutality/sorcery, major defile debuf, the movespeed.. they have a cleanse skill in the cloak as well (is cleanse for correct?), the have dodge chance, empower, you name it, easy access. Best gap closer in game, scales both magicka or stamina. This one reach more then other gap closers. If you compare how many skills from class a nb uses compared to other classes, nb have the most class skills slotted. maybe a magicka templar also, but you see my point :)
    I dont say NB are too strong, I say maybe a DK are too weak.
    I have vr16 nb, dk and sorc btw.

    Nightblades have a skill like that already called Piercing Mark. It prevents a target from stealthing for 30 seconds

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    Edited by OrphanHelgen on October 20, 2015 7:12PM
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  • Dracane
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    Tankqull wrote: »
    how to nerf cloak:

    undo the changes to stealth detection pots and implement a stealth det+health+stamina pot

    problem solved without the need of nerfing cloak itself.

    Very good idea in my opinion. Cloak became that OP when they nerfed detection potions to death.
    Restore that, add more options and I think, it's possible to leave them their godlyhood.

    I mean, they rule since ~8 months, longer than any other class did. It's not only due to cloak.
    But this change should help for now without kicking them from their throne.
    Edited by Dracane on October 20, 2015 7:19PM
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  • Tholian1
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    CP5 wrote: »
    Tholian1 wrote: »
    CP5 wrote: »
    catalyst10e wrote: »
    The nerf is coming. Thats the bottom line. It's not set in stone as to when its going to happen but it will. I'd suggest NB get on board with accepting that fact and instead of crying, claiming its the only defense, and relisting all the "counters" to it.... you open the dialog for what would be acceptable terms for a nerf for ZOS hears your side. If your argument is just "don't" its going to fall of deaf ears. If you were to say "Ok you can take away magicka regen, and enable single target abilities to still hit while cloaked, but in return we want an extra 2 seconds of cloak" it'll at least appear more constructive.

    If your entire character build breaks because 1 skill gets nerfed, it was probably OP. If Cloak at least gets a minor nerf, the masses are appeased, and you take your place at the back of line for the next run of nerfs to come.

    You deserve a few more awesomes for that. As for @Tholian1, you do know nb's already have all of that, right? The damage mitigation comes from using any shadow ability to gain the major armor/spell resist buffs, you gain a higher crit rate and crits buff the damage of crits, and the class has nice heals. None that are press button -> get health, but some powerful ones, unless you want to show me a video of a sap-tank and say they did what they did without nb heals. Also, if you need cloak to get past pve content like other classes, it may be worth looking at all the class has to offer, and what all classes have access to first.

    The only shadow ability I have found use for with my stamina build is Dark Cloak. Our heals are dependent on kills. And the major brutality from sap essence is only at close range in the middle of a mob. My NB is a vampire so I do have to depend a lot on invigorating drain for most of my healing in PvE. But as you know, vampirism comes at a price.

    My point was that I see other classes run throu PvE content like it is so easy, yet my NB can't do the same. Then these same classes complain how OP a NB is... It makes me shake my head.

    You can't expect on build to excel in all areas, and those who do pve regularly know what they need to use to do it. What kind of builds have you tried in pve, since you mentioned you run a stamina build which weapons in general? Also from the shadow tree you haven't found surprise attack's armor debuff, or fear's aoe cc or the shade's debuffs as useful for these situations?

    Surprise Attack requires you to be stealthed and within 5 meters of the target. Which one is Fear? Sounds like you are suggesting a hybrid build?

    I am running a dw/bow stamina build with points divided between stam and health, since I do like to take more than a couple hits before I die.
    Edited by Tholian1 on October 20, 2015 7:30PM
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  • Lirkin
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    I don't know why anyone is surprised that these nerfs are happening. Someone is always complaining that someone can do something they can't so it is unfair to them.

    As long as there is PVP there will be constant balancing.

    The sad this is that PVE is effected in this game. Most games set different settings for PVP and PVE.
  • CP5
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    OrphanHelgen wrote: »
    AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
    OrphanHelgen wrote: »
    reften wrote: »
    OrphanHelgen wrote: »
    dont nerf nb.
    just buff everything else.
    problem solved.

    give DK a detect skill

    Everyone has a detect skill. It's called AoE attacks.

    You are right. I have start using aoe spam on nb's more often lately.
    What I ment tho, was a skill that prevented them to enter stealth for a couple of seconds. But nvm that, I want nb to have invis skill, no problem on that part.

    What I feel are OP with NB, is the other things. They have easy acces to all nescesary buffs, like major brutality/sorcery, major defile debuf, the movespeed.. they have a cleanse skill in the cloak as well (is cleanse for correct?), the have dodge chance, empower, you name it, easy access. Best gap closer in game, scales both magicka or stamina. This one reach more then other gap closers. If you compare how many skills from class a nb uses compared to other classes, nb have the most class skills slotted. maybe a magicka templar also, but you see my point :)
    I dont say NB are too strong, I say maybe a DK are too weak.
    I have vr16 nb, dk and sorc btw.

    Nightblades have a skill like that already called Piercing Mark. It prevents a target from stealthing for 30 seconds

    :neutral:

    Got a NB problem? Use NB. And if that doesn't work, use more NB.
    Tholian1 wrote: »
    CP5 wrote: »
    Tholian1 wrote: »
    CP5 wrote: »
    catalyst10e wrote: »
    The nerf is coming. Thats the bottom line. It's not set in stone as to when its going to happen but it will. I'd suggest NB get on board with accepting that fact and instead of crying, claiming its the only defense, and relisting all the "counters" to it.... you open the dialog for what would be acceptable terms for a nerf for ZOS hears your side. If your argument is just "don't" its going to fall of deaf ears. If you were to say "Ok you can take away magicka regen, and enable single target abilities to still hit while cloaked, but in return we want an extra 2 seconds of cloak" it'll at least appear more constructive.

    If your entire character build breaks because 1 skill gets nerfed, it was probably OP. If Cloak at least gets a minor nerf, the masses are appeased, and you take your place at the back of line for the next run of nerfs to come.

    You deserve a few more awesomes for that. As for @Tholian1, you do know nb's already have all of that, right? The damage mitigation comes from using any shadow ability to gain the major armor/spell resist buffs, you gain a higher crit rate and crits buff the damage of crits, and the class has nice heals. None that are press button -> get health, but some powerful ones, unless you want to show me a video of a sap-tank and say they did what they did without nb heals. Also, if you need cloak to get past pve content like other classes, it may be worth looking at all the class has to offer, and what all classes have access to first.

    The only shadow ability I have found use for with my stamina build is Dark Cloak. Our heals are dependent on kills. And the major brutality from sap essence is only at close range in the middle of a mob. My NB is a vampire so I do have to depend a lot on invigorating drain for most of my healing in PvE. But as you know, vampirism comes at a price.

    My point was that I see other classes run throu PvE content like it is so easy, yet my NB can't do the same. Then these same classes complain how OP a NB is... It makes me shake my head.

    You can't expect on build to excel in all areas, and those who do pve regularly know what they need to use to do it. What kind of builds have you tried in pve, since you mentioned you run a stamina build which weapons in general? Also from the shadow tree you haven't found surprise attack's armor debuff, or fear's aoe cc or the shade's debuffs as useful for these situations?

    Surprise Attack requires you to be stealthed and within 5 meters of the target. Which one is Fear? Sounds like you are suggesting a hybrid build?

    I am running a dw/bow stamina build with points divided between stam and health, since I do like to take more than a couple hits before I die.

    Funny, thats how my stamina sorc is set up (dw/bow) with a split between health and stamina and I know for a fact if I ran 2h I would likely be much better off. Surprise attack's debuff does help with all of your damage then, unless you use mark or focused aim, and fear's cc is still very strong, more so with a bow in pve where you can kite enemies well.
  • Tholian1
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    CP5 wrote: »
    OrphanHelgen wrote: »
    AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
    OrphanHelgen wrote: »
    reften wrote: »
    OrphanHelgen wrote: »
    dont nerf nb.
    just buff everything else.
    problem solved.

    give DK a detect skill

    Everyone has a detect skill. It's called AoE attacks.

    You are right. I have start using aoe spam on nb's more often lately.
    What I ment tho, was a skill that prevented them to enter stealth for a couple of seconds. But nvm that, I want nb to have invis skill, no problem on that part.

    What I feel are OP with NB, is the other things. They have easy acces to all nescesary buffs, like major brutality/sorcery, major defile debuf, the movespeed.. they have a cleanse skill in the cloak as well (is cleanse for correct?), the have dodge chance, empower, you name it, easy access. Best gap closer in game, scales both magicka or stamina. This one reach more then other gap closers. If you compare how many skills from class a nb uses compared to other classes, nb have the most class skills slotted. maybe a magicka templar also, but you see my point :)
    I dont say NB are too strong, I say maybe a DK are too weak.
    I have vr16 nb, dk and sorc btw.

    Nightblades have a skill like that already called Piercing Mark. It prevents a target from stealthing for 30 seconds

    :neutral:

    Got a NB problem? Use NB. And if that doesn't work, use more NB.
    Tholian1 wrote: »
    CP5 wrote: »
    Tholian1 wrote: »
    CP5 wrote: »
    catalyst10e wrote: »
    The nerf is coming. Thats the bottom line. It's not set in stone as to when its going to happen but it will. I'd suggest NB get on board with accepting that fact and instead of crying, claiming its the only defense, and relisting all the "counters" to it.... you open the dialog for what would be acceptable terms for a nerf for ZOS hears your side. If your argument is just "don't" its going to fall of deaf ears. If you were to say "Ok you can take away magicka regen, and enable single target abilities to still hit while cloaked, but in return we want an extra 2 seconds of cloak" it'll at least appear more constructive.

    If your entire character build breaks because 1 skill gets nerfed, it was probably OP. If Cloak at least gets a minor nerf, the masses are appeased, and you take your place at the back of line for the next run of nerfs to come.

    You deserve a few more awesomes for that. As for @Tholian1, you do know nb's already have all of that, right? The damage mitigation comes from using any shadow ability to gain the major armor/spell resist buffs, you gain a higher crit rate and crits buff the damage of crits, and the class has nice heals. None that are press button -> get health, but some powerful ones, unless you want to show me a video of a sap-tank and say they did what they did without nb heals. Also, if you need cloak to get past pve content like other classes, it may be worth looking at all the class has to offer, and what all classes have access to first.

    The only shadow ability I have found use for with my stamina build is Dark Cloak. Our heals are dependent on kills. And the major brutality from sap essence is only at close range in the middle of a mob. My NB is a vampire so I do have to depend a lot on invigorating drain for most of my healing in PvE. But as you know, vampirism comes at a price.

    My point was that I see other classes run throu PvE content like it is so easy, yet my NB can't do the same. Then these same classes complain how OP a NB is... It makes me shake my head.

    You can't expect on build to excel in all areas, and those who do pve regularly know what they need to use to do it. What kind of builds have you tried in pve, since you mentioned you run a stamina build which weapons in general? Also from the shadow tree you haven't found surprise attack's armor debuff, or fear's aoe cc or the shade's debuffs as useful for these situations?

    Surprise Attack requires you to be stealthed and within 5 meters of the target. Which one is Fear? Sounds like you are suggesting a hybrid build?

    I am running a dw/bow stamina build with points divided between stam and health, since I do like to take more than a couple hits before I die.

    Funny, thats how my stamina sorc is set up (dw/bow) with a split between health and stamina and I know for a fact if I ran 2h I would likely be much better off. Surprise attack's debuff does help with all of your damage then, unless you use mark or focused aim, and fear's cc is still very strong, more so with a bow in pve where you can kite enemies well.

    Yes I use focused aim. 2h has been suggested, but if I wanted my NB running around hacking and slashing with a giant sword, then I would simply just play another class and we wouldn't be having this discussion. :p
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    Tholian1 wrote: »

    Yes I use focused aim. 2h has been suggested, but if I wanted my NB running around hacking and slashing with a giant sword, then I would simply just play another class and we wouldn't be having this discussion. :p

    Yah, this character used 2h for a while but I wanted to use something a bit more interesting. Least both of these classes offer about the same in terms of utility for these kind of builds.
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    to be honest i'm surprised that it took ZOS took so long nerfing NB. with the way they are adressing pvp problems it will get worse for NB.The assassin/rogue playstyle will almost be seen as overpowered in any MMO (WoW is a good example and look what they did) this is because this class works with stealth, CC and hard burst damage. They are disgned to catch you off-guard and kill you and in a open field without any stealth probably lose.
    Don't get me wrong i'm against the nerf but if they are nerfing everything that makes a class special it was just a matter of time ....
    (P.s. i main NB)
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    Sureshawt wrote: »
    Junkogen wrote: »
    I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

    ^ This.

    To compare a purely defensive/evasive maneuver with one that provides amazing offensive AND defensive capabilities is just ludicrous.

    I believe this game is just coming down to a popularity contest as most forum warriors agitate for what helps their favored class the most and not what is best for a diverse game.

    Anymore nerfs to ANY class at this point and I cancel my subscription. Focus should be on fixing skills and/or buffing counters if necessary.

    I actual agree here, if they Nerf Shadow Cloak (and it's Morph's) after finally fixing it (which took like a year +), I will cancel my subscription on both my PC and PS4 (yup thats right ZOS, 2 subs). SOOOO tired of this Nerf crap because other classes don't want to slot counters or learn to play.
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    whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »
    Sureshawt wrote: »
    Junkogen wrote: »
    I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

    ^ This.

    To compare a purely defensive/evasive maneuver with one that provides amazing offensive AND defensive capabilities is just ludicrous.

    I believe this game is just coming down to a popularity contest as most forum warriors agitate for what helps their favored class the most and not what is best for a diverse game.

    Anymore nerfs to ANY class at this point and I cancel my subscription. Focus should be on fixing skills and/or buffing counters if necessary.

    I actual agree here, if they Nerf Shadow Cloak (and it's Morph's) after finally fixing it (which took like a year +), I will cancel my subscription on both my PC and PS4 (yup thats right ZOS, 2 subs). SOOOO tired of this Nerf crap because other classes don't want to slot counters or learn to play.

    When DK's scales was broke no one used it (since it drained all your resources in no time at all). When it was fixed every DK an their dog was using it, a skill that countered all single target ranged skills with no counter but to not use those skills. Maybe, just perhaps, the skill by design was op, and only by the fact that it now 'works' can we see that. Unless you justify the skill out preforming other skills because it was broken.
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    My main is not a NB, I don't know why the nerf threads pop up so damn fast. To me let the NB enjoy for a couple of months because before that they were considered the weakest class.

    Atleast there is a way to remove stealth (cloak) by using AoE tricks, the sorc bolt escape was annoying like hell as they use hit and run tatics ( crystal fragments +bolt escape) so there nerf was inevitable.

    Once, cloak is nerfed again NB will be back/considered as a weak class(PvP) or the class will no longer be a NB(like a rogue) but a tank/Mage.
    Edited by Van_0S on October 20, 2015 8:54PM
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    PBpsy wrote: »
    Hopefully the people at ZOS responsible for this BS get nerfed out of their job.

    They have since the original launch, thats the problem though not the solution. Swapping out Devs that can't figure out what the last ones did messes stuff up more in my opnion.
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    Tholian1 wrote: »

    The only shadow ability I have found use for with my stamina build is Dark Cloak. Our heals are dependent on kills. And the major brutality from sap essence is only at close range in the middle of a mob. My NB is a vampire so I do have to depend a lot on invigorating drain for most of my healing in PvE. But as you know, vampirism comes at a price.

    My point was that I see other classes run throu PvE content like it is so easy, yet my NB can't do the same. Then these same classes complain how OP a NB is... It makes me shake my head.

    You are prob paying too high a price to be a vampire, since invigorating drain isn't all that invigorating with a STA build. Might be better off with werewolf for extra regen and use rally, or if you won't go 2h, then use resolving vigor.

    Vampire works a lot better with magicka NB, imo.
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    AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
    Tholian1 wrote: »

    The only shadow ability I have found use for with my stamina build is Dark Cloak. Our heals are dependent on kills. And the major brutality from sap essence is only at close range in the middle of a mob. My NB is a vampire so I do have to depend a lot on invigorating drain for most of my healing in PvE. But as you know, vampirism comes at a price.

    My point was that I see other classes run throu PvE content like it is so easy, yet my NB can't do the same. Then these same classes complain how OP a NB is... It makes me shake my head.

    You are prob paying too high a price to be a vampire, since invigorating drain isn't all that invigorating with a STA build. Might be better off with werewolf for extra regen and use rally, or if you won't go 2h, then use resolving vigor.

    Vampire works a lot better with magicka NB, imo.

    My reasons why...

    Werewolf transform being slotted on both my bars is useless unless I plan on transforming. (I'm an ex-werewolf). Vampire skills has more use with the slotting requirement for the passives, and invigorating drain has saved me from near death many times leaving me the use of other potions instead of healing potions.

    Vigor requires a lot of time in Cyrodiil to get. I only go there for sky shards and now also the IC for Monstrous Teeth. PvE is my game.

    Oh and almost forgot... Vampire stealth speed. I don't need to use the Night Silence set.
    Edited by Tholian1 on October 20, 2015 9:45PM
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    I am a NB and I do not even use Cloak for what I think the majority use it for (I did a while ago but found I really didn't need it as much) I much rather put up some protection and run around then hide. Hitting from stealth is not as common as you think in PvP so half the time I am not even stealthed. If I was ganking yeah. My Stam NB I do not use Cloak at all. My Magicka NB I use it to remove DoTs. The changes they make I surely wont miss it. Like I also said before the cost for Stam NB's can be hefty to.
    Edited by MishMash on October 20, 2015 10:35PM
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    Next on the table for moar nerfs after the cloak nerf; nightblades again.

    Probably something like nerf fear/surprise attack/ambush.

    Luckily battlefront coming soon, and the people here can go on nerfing everything until its equally useless/boring.
    Also just got proxy det on My sorcerer so can toy around with that.

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    k2blader wrote: »
    Junkogen wrote: »
    I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

    ^Here is a prime example of why I have no sympathy if cloak gets nerfed. Far too many like this. Gonna guess (s)he mains an NB.

    And Im gonna guess you main as a Sorc.
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    Poor magic nb's :cry: Now not only do they do pretty low damage compared to everyone else but can no longer defend themselves... I know two that will quit after 2 years playing because of this, and so I am sure there will be others that loose faith and the will to compete when their entire build is destroyed. Cloak (magic nb's have always cloaked ALLOT, my bf has played one since launch, I have seen him do it :lol: ) isn't even something that changed dramatically in last patch, just people started playing magic nb's so that they could stealth more in IC, no? :neutral: On a side note... Please don't nerf templar! We are rubbish, I promise ;):lol:
    Edited by Elara_Northwind on October 20, 2015 11:26PM
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    The Foolish MagBlade here with his foolish opinion on this matter:

    Should Cloak get nerfed?

    Pro:
    There have been many times that I bit off more than I could chew in PvP, or that a keep I was in got taken over and I was one of the few survivors. Solution (and one that any NB with a brain would do): Cloak away :p

    Cloaking has always been the bread and butter of the NB (after all, they're the assassin class and they need the skills to get close to their target). But a Magicka-based NB is capable of simply spamming the skill due to the amount of Magicka he/she has, which allows him/her to get close to a target (rlly fast with Concealed Weapon equipped and Double Take active) and use a Sneak Attack/Concealed Weapon or for the NB to escape any situation.

    Contra:
    Cloak is very fragile: Templars can reveal stealthed NB, NB can reveal them too with Piercing Mark, Sorcs have Mines/Streak to counter the Cloak, Revealing Flare and Caltrops from the Alliance War skill lines, Radiant Magelight from Mages Guild, any AoE attack can reveal NB too,...

    3 Classes have a skill or 2 that can counter a Cloaked NB, and anyone has access to plenty of other options to reveal them. I have been caught and unable to escape death just as many times as I did manage to escape successfully.

    Answer:
    Should Cloak get nerfed, it should receive a very minor nerf, and this is what I have in mind:

    Set the Magicka Recovery rate to 90% of the Cloak's Magicka Cost should the player's Mag Recovery be higher than the Cloak's Cost

    A very minor nerf, but it does disable infinite Cloaking without touching the fragility of the Cloak itself. The 90% can be discussed, but I wouldn't go lower than 80% without crippling the MagBlade's scouting/infiltrating abilities
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  • Korah_Eaglecry
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    MishMash wrote: »
    whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »
    Junkogen wrote: »
    I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

    Totally Agree here.

    I also agree. When I Dodge Roll I am not doing damage or stunning of any kind, same goes for Cloak. Cloak is expensive (3,525 magicka) for Stam users so the majority of stam users will not use it as much. Dodge Roll in battle is not cheap anymore. 27K in stam...
    I remember I could DR 10 times and still use my stam skills afterwards. Now I can DR like 3 times in battle and barely have enough for the fight. I think that is what people were asking for right? Was that not enough? I think I would have to be a Hybrid again to manage both DR and Cloak as much as some are suggesting NB do.

    People wont be happy until they nerf you into the ground. NBs are now the Forums new favorite target. It'll eventually swing back to DKs and Sorcs.
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  • MrGrimey
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    Zos should know their game better and know that cloak is still not 100% and has over a dozen counters. Unless they remove all counters and give cloak damage immunity, then there should be no penalty for using an inconsistent escape tool.

    One more thing to think about. A marked night blade, is the worst class in the game. Nightblades are underpowered without cloak.
  • AhPook_Is_Here
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    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Next on the table for moar nerfs after the cloak nerf; nightblades again.

    Probably something like nerf fear/surprise attack/ambush.

    Luckily battlefront coming soon, and the people here can go on nerfing everything until its equally useless/boring.
    Also just got proxy det on My sorcerer so can toy around with that.

    RIP Mana dk
    RIP NB soon

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  • gen_reynard2050
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    Nerf cloaking duration, and get Major Expedition buff. <3
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  • Darnathian
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    CP5 wrote: »
    Still find it funny that ZOS so much as hints at the idea that they may look at cloak to tweak it, and the fireworks are still going off. If they mentioned they were nerfing streak again sorcs would say "why again" for perhaps a day, with maybe a day or two of others justifying the nerf then nothing. But when its about nightblades...

    OMG you are so wrong. Go read the 50 threads about streak nerf. And you were in most of them. Wow. Lol
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    Sithisvoid wrote: »
    I don't need cloak to wreck ppl. Take it completely if you want just leave me the part that removes dot

    Ummm...... Purge?
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    AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Next on the table for moar nerfs after the cloak nerf; nightblades again.

    Probably something like nerf fear/surprise attack/ambush.

    Luckily battlefront coming soon, and the people here can go on nerfing everything until its equally useless/boring.
    Also just got proxy det on My sorcerer so can toy around with that.

    RIP Mana dk
    RIP NB soon

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    Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »
    k2blader wrote: »
    Junkogen wrote: »
    I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

    ^Here is a prime example of why I have no sympathy if cloak gets nerfed. Far too many like this. Gonna guess (s)he mains an NB.

    And Im gonna guess you main as a Sorc.

    Yep I main a sorc, and my class got nerfed pretty hard thanks to folks like the one quoted who basically needs to L2P.

    So why should I have any sympathy for NBs getting a nerf?
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  • Lokey0024
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    Good NBs dont spam cloak as it is. Basically this would divide the bads from the goods. But before they swing the nerf bat around, they really need to take a step back and fix ALL abilities that cause imbalances. Offhanded i can name having a static number of physical resistance instead of just having percentages taken off while using the fracture and whatever mag. defence debuff is causes light armor users to have little to no mitigation. The 5k fracture is like a 60% armor pen debuff for LA!
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    Aaaaand all abilities cast in stealth break stealth/invis. Rally, vigor, blur etc. basically anything that uses resources
  • Evandus
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    AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    Next on the table for moar nerfs after the cloak nerf; nightblades again.

    Probably something like nerf fear/surprise attack/ambush.

    Luckily battlefront coming soon, and the people here can go on nerfing everything until its equally useless/boring.
    Also just got proxy det on My sorcerer so can toy around with that.

    RIP Mana dk
    RIP NB soon

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    indeed...

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