So cloak is to be nerfed, what's next?

Tannakaobi · October 2015

So now that the unskilled have got there way with yet another character nerf, this time the magic based Nightblade. Soon to be nerfed beyond recognition, there is only one question. What's next? I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and suggest it will be the Templar. I have already seen the tremors.

I have played as a Nightblade since launch, I fought against the DK's being nerfed, I fought against the Sorcerer being nerfed, and obviously I fought against the Nightblade being nerfed. For one thing, I don't see how you can possibly nerf one character when another is not even working correctly. Soon every character will be the same as every other character. I saw the exact same thing happen to WoW over the years.

It's funny really as it serves no one. People that are good at PVP will remain good at PVP and those that are not will find other reasons to cry nerf. In the end it is only the standard of the game that sufferers. ESO will become another generic MMO where everyone is the same as everyone else, every skill will be the same reskinned skill.

Anyway, get ready Templars, you're up next.

Sausage · October 2015

I actually believe Templars get massive buff, they are the underdog.

Deheart · October 2015

Sausage wrote: »

I actually believe Templars get massive buff, they are the underdog.

LOL, are you serious?
My High Elf Cloth wearing Templar seems be be way overpowered now that I set it to dual wield.

imredneckson · October 2015

Tannakaobi wrote: »

So now that the unskilled have got there way with yet another character nerf, this time the magic based Nightblade. Soon to be nerfed beyond recognition, there is only one question. What's next? I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and suggest it will be the Templar. I have already seen the tremors.

I have played as a Nightblade since launch, I fought against the DK's being nerfed, I fought against the Sorcerer being nerfed, and obviously I fought against the Nightblade being nerfed. For one thing, I don't see how you can possibly nerf one character when another is not even working correctly. Soon every character will be the same as every other character. I saw the exact same thing happen to WoW over the years.

It's funny really as it serves no one. People that are good at PVP will remain good at PVP and those that are not will find other reasons to cry nerf. In the end it is only the standard of the game that sufferers. ESO will become another generic MMO where everyone is the same as everyone else, every skill will be the same reskinned skill.

Anyway, get ready Templars, you're up next.

All class seem to be getting nerfed because of what they are. DKs because their ability to be a tank and deal a good amount of damage, Sorcs because of their shields and steak, NBs because they can hide from players that cant kill them so they cry about it later on forum, and Templars I'm not even going to try to think of something negative because I like my Templar at the moment.

PLEASE ZOS STOP THE NERFS!!!!!

Cathexis · October 2015

This is what comes next:

https://youtu.be/Bxauqa7rJgI

dday3six · October 2015

Curious, when was it confirmed that Cloak would be nerfed? Last I heard ZOS were only looking at the possibility of changes with the understanding that it had several counters.

k2blader · October 2015

If true, I just find it hard to have any sympathy if it is being nerfed. Maybe if those who got other classes nerfed are themselves nerfed, they'll stop crying for nerfs..

Tannakaobi · October 2015

k2blader wrote: »

If true, I just find it hard to have any sympathy if it is being nerfed. Maybe if those who got other classes nerfed are themselves nerfed, they'll stop crying for nerfs..

You can be very sure that this will never happen.

Nifty2g · October 2015

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

My official response as of right now to all nerf threads:

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Feel free to use this as you see fit if you agree because frankly nerf threads have gotten far too tiresome to even bother replying to stupidly.

NinjaApacHe · October 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

Well if so, let us (magicka nightblade) have sneaking scaling with magicka instead of stamina. The only reason we use cloak is that we do not have enough stamina reg. to sneak around. We are NB, you know, sneak/stealth is our priority.......

Cryers will always be cryers

Alucardo · October 2015

Wait what? How is cloak getting nerfed, and when?

hrothbern · October 2015

There is nothing wrong with Cloack. It fits the class lore and class builds.
But
I think repeating Cloack should be treated like Roll Dodge and Streak have been treated.

Tannakaobi · October 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

Except of course you should by the very definition of the class.

Here is the Elder Scrolls Wiki description:

Nightblades
Possibly the most feared class of all is the nightblade. They possess many of the skills and philosophy of the thiefly classes, combined with the powers of the mage. Their natural agility and stealth, and their mastery of the School of Illusion, means nightblades are seldom seen, though their hand is certainly felt. Effective nightblades have high agility as well as high Intelligence and Willpower.
Primary Skills: Illusion, Stealth, Dodging
Major Skills: Thaumaturgy, Pickpocketing, Lockpicking

Noticing that this could be an overpowered skill, they give every class unlimited access to many counters.

Thrasher91604 · October 2015

I think /dance should be nerfed. Especially on boxes.

Rayste · October 2015

Tannakaobi wrote: »

So now that the unskilled have got there way with yet another character nerf, this time the magic based Nightblade. Soon to be nerfed beyond recognition, there is only one question. What's next? I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and suggest it will be the Templar. I have already seen the tremors.

I have played as a Nightblade since launch, I fought against the DK's being nerfed, I fought against the Sorcerer being nerfed, and obviously I fought against the Nightblade being nerfed. For one thing, I don't see how you can possibly nerf one character when another is not even working correctly. Soon every character will be the same as every other character. I saw the exact same thing happen to WoW over the years.

It's funny really as it serves no one. People that are good at PVP will remain good at PVP and those that are not will find other reasons to cry nerf. In the end it is only the standard of the game that sufferers. ESO will become another generic MMO where everyone is the same as everyone else, every skill will be the same reskinned skill.

Anyway, get ready Templars, you're up next.

I saw the ZOS post regarding it, but it isn't confirmed yet. Do we even know how it will be nerfed?

I just brought the NB outta retirement! NOOOO

Nifty2g · October 2015

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

It's called class and skill rebalancing, you shouldn't be able to permanently stay in cloak just like sorcerers can't permanently streak away. Same diff really

Except of course you should by the very definition of the class.

Here is the Elder Scrolls Wiki description:

Nightblades
Possibly the most feared class of all is the nightblade. They possess many of the skills and philosophy of the thiefly classes, combined with the powers of the mage. Their natural agility and stealth, and their mastery of the School of Illusion, means nightblades are seldom seen, though their hand is certainly felt. Effective nightblades have high agility as well as high Intelligence and Willpower.
Primary Skills: Illusion, Stealth, Dodging
Major Skills: Thaumaturgy, Pickpocketing, Lockpicking

Noticing that this could be an overpowered skill, they give every class unlimited access to many counters.

I have no issue with how nightblades are, just increase the cast or no magic regen something alike of cloak to reduce bads being able to flee from any type of action if they can't one shot you. Cloak is extremely OP, not everyone has a detection pot on cooldown ready to go, not everyone has large enough aoe to hit you, you can even cloak a meteor which makes no sense. Not sure why you're so upset they are going to slightly increase the cast or slightly reduce your magic regen while cloaked. But hey it's too hard to reason with anyone on these forums who disagree with you, so no point putting my argument here

Junkogen · October 2015

I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

ItsRejectz · October 2015

Can 100% guarantee templar won't be getting a nerf, if anything I still expect to see them get buffed quite a lot. Still one of the lowest dps classes, only one shield and it's by far the worst in the game and the only one thing they are strong at (healing) can be rendered almost useless by anyone who hits you with defile/befoul.

olsborg · October 2015

Tannakaobi wrote: »

So now that the unskilled have got there way with yet another character nerf, this time the magic based Nightblade. Soon to be nerfed beyond recognition, there is only one question. What's next? I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and suggest it will be the Templar. I have already seen the tremors.

I have played as a Nightblade since launch, I fought against the DK's being nerfed, I fought against the Sorcerer being nerfed, and obviously I fought against the Nightblade being nerfed. For one thing, I don't see how you can possibly nerf one character when another is not even working correctly. Soon every character will be the same as every other character. I saw the exact same thing happen to WoW over the years.

It's funny really as it serves no one. People that are good at PVP will remain good at PVP and those that are not will find other reasons to cry nerf. In the end it is only the standard of the game that sufferers. ESO will become another generic MMO where everyone is the same as everyone else, every skill will be the same reskinned skill.

Anyway, get ready Templars, you're up next.

Couldnt agree more man. Altho I think wrecking blow will be the next thing that gets nerfed. Is srsly L2P to just not have it own you, but as you said, the bad ppl find it easier to whine.

Alucardo · October 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

I have no issue with how nightblades are, just increase the cast or no magic regen something alike of cloak to reduce bads being able to flee from any type of action if they can't one shot you. Cloak is extremely OP, not everyone has a detection pot on cooldown ready to go, not everyone has large enough aoe to hit you, you can even cloak a meteor which makes no sense. Not sure why you're so upset they are going to slightly increase the cast or slightly reduce your magic regen while cloaked. But hey it's too hard to reason with anyone on these forums who disagree with you, so no point putting my argument here

I wouldn't say extremely OP, especially for stam blades. Cloak can be easily countered, then after all them failed cloaks you need to rely on fear to pull people off you, but wait, no magicka. So stunting magicka regen while cloaking would be even worse for stam blades.
If they had defence or self healing capabilities like any other class, I'd say sure, but they rely on cloak/fear to give themselves time to breathe.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · October 2015

Junkogen wrote: »

I don't understand why people think roll dodge and cloak should be treated the same as streak. Streak not only teleports sorcs, it also stuns and damages. Neither dodge nor cloak have that much utility. They're purely defensive and have counters. There are no abilities that counter streak. I just don't think ZOS thinks this stuff through. It just doesn't make sense to treat roll dodge and cloak the same as streak.

Totally Agree here.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2015

Strange how things work out. There were people that rolled NBs on here that used to cry about how other classes were giving them grief. Now the NB is in the line of fire, the rest of us are cry babies. Maybe people should stop bitching about other classes if they want their own class to pretty much remain as they are. When one class gets weakened, other classes will invariably look more powerful thus it's only a matter of time before they themselves are dragged down with the rest of us.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2015

I think cloak is fine in cyrodiil. It's IC that it becomes a tad unfair when nighblades are able to aggro wandering bosses towards others with little or no risk to themselves. That really isn't fair whichever way you look at it.

LBxFinalDeath · October 2015

Back to Sorc nerfing, I guess.

BRogueNZ · October 2015

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Nightblades
Possibly the most feared class of all is the nightblade. They possess many of the skills and philosophy of the thiefly classes, combined with the powers of the mage. Their natural agility and stealth, and their mastery of the School of Illusion, means nightblades are seldom seen, though their hand is certainly felt. Effective nightblades have high agility as well as high Intelligence and Willpower.
Primary Skills: Illusion, Stealth, Dodging
Major Skills: Thaumaturgy, Pickpocketing, Lockpicking

Noticing that this could be an overpowered skill, they give every class unlimited access to many counters.

I agree I now only wear gear without pockets.

olsborg wrote: »

Couldnt agree more man. Altho I think wrecking blow will be the next thing that gets nerfed. Is srsly L2P to just not have it own you, but as you said, the bad ppl find it easier to whine.

I hope it does, would be nice to see a death recap that showed the use of a little imagination.

k2blader · October 2015

Tannakaobi wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

If true, I just find it hard to have any sympathy if it is being nerfed. Maybe if those who got other classes nerfed are themselves nerfed, they'll stop crying for nerfs..

You can be very sure that this will never happen.

Oh I know. The cry-for-nerfs people will likely quit before they stop crying. But that's not a bad thing imo. After they're gone we'll still have the idiots who want their 3-man group to be able to AoE down full raids of opposing factions.

Malmai · October 2015

Sorc needs balance...

PBpsy · October 2015

Hopefully the people at ZOS responsible for this BS get nerfed out of their job.

Tannakaobi · October 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I think cloak is fine in cyrodiil. It's IC that it becomes a tad unfair when nighblades are able to aggro wandering bosses towards others with little or no risk to themselves. That really isn't fair whichever way you look at it.

Exactly!

Another problem entirely and one that should be dealt with without just a sweeping nerf to all Nightblades.

SeptimusDova · October 2015

So should all Templars and Nightbosmers go on strike ?