Cloaks!!

Reavyne · October 2015

So i saw a while back that in one of the vids ZOS put out they had a imperial in full armor with a cloak on.

There was alot of talk about this and having them put in but i never saw if ZOS actual commented on weather they where going to put cloaks or back pieces in the game or not.

Anyone got any idea if they are looking to add them or are they staying clear because as i type this i can see the main rouge char guy to my left with his hood and cloak and he look *** bad ass would love my NB to have a cloak would complete his look.

drzycki_ESO · October 2015

I would like to have them BUT only if we have the option to hide them if we want.

crowfl56 · October 2015

NO cloaks

NO player housing

on and on

just say NO ;0

Xendyn · October 2015

No, they apparently couldn't get them to look and act how they wanted so no cloaks.

Reavyne · October 2015

drzycki_ESO wrote: »

I would like to have them BUT only if we have the option to hide them if we want.

Well that would be a given just like toggling helm on and off

Reavyne · October 2015

crowfl56 wrote: »

NO cloaks

NO player housing

on and on

just say NO ;0

SO just say NO to cool content that every other game has?

Reavyne · October 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

No, they apparently couldn't get them to look and act how they wanted so no cloaks.

?? wait how lol did they say?

Because EVERY single decent mmo for the best 12 years has had cloaks how could they not make them work lol.

That confuses me abit.

Cadbury · October 2015

Nerf Cloaks. That cotton fabric is so OP

Xendyn · October 2015

Reavyne wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

No, they apparently couldn't get them to look and act how they wanted so no cloaks.

?? wait how lol did they say?

Because EVERY single decent mmo for the best 12 years has had cloaks how could they not make them work lol.

That confuses me abit.

You might find it if you do a search here. It's been discussed before.

Alucardo · October 2015

Anyone else thought this was going to be a nerf thread?

Elder_Night · October 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Anyone else thought this was going to be a nerf thread?

Yes lmao

Callous2208 · October 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Anyone else thought this was going to be a nerf thread?

Sure did. But to the topic at hand, cloaks sound cool, capes sound dumb. Never understood why every adventurer in a universe would run around wearing a cape. Just isn't practical. Are we all adventuring and entering battle wearing the dress attire of some prissy noble?

rotbag · October 2015

Agreed. They look awful.

RizaHawkeye · October 2015

Reavyne wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

NO cloaks

NO player housing

on and on

just say NO ;0

SO just say NO to cool content that every other game has?

Okay, so I am ambivalent to the issue of cloaks and capes. I like them, but in almost every game in which I've seen them, they look like crap. Well, unless you're standing perfectly still doing absolutely nothing.

But what other Elder Scrolls game was released with capes/cloaks? I'm trying to remember ... admittedly I've never played Arena or Daggerfall, but Morrowind was GOTY and had no cloaks and Oblivion was GOTY and had no cloaks and Skyrim was GOTY and, guess what? You got it! No cloaks.

But yes, Tera has cloaks. And I'm sure there's a bunch of Korean MMOs that have cloaks. And capes. And other things ...

ProfessorKittyhawk · October 2015

They nixed cloaks because it would have been difficult to implement them in the game and animate properly. In the end it would have been more difficult to do than it would have been worth. Also, it probably would have caused even more strain on the game animating cloaks. They have enough trouble keeping the game running smooth as it is. If they can't do cloaks right, then there's really no use in implementing them (wish the same could be said for a lot of other things <_< ).

Gidorick · October 2015

With the Havok engine... they could just use the Havok cloth plug-in. Very little work on their part.

Here's a tech demo from six years ago... I repeat SIX YEARS ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtyIjRD6lAw

Notice how the cloth changes color? That's because Havok Cloth has variable cloth resolutions. Meaning that cloth close to you can flow realistically and dynamically while cloth father away can be more static.

NadiusMaximus · October 2015

CROWN STORE ITEM!!

oh yay.

teladoy · October 2015

Before stupid cloaks I want new weapons a lot more, like spears, musket, crossbow and my favorite the flail.

nimander99 · October 2015

Cloaks killed the frame rate in alpha and beta... they even had to take animals out of Cyrodiil

Van_0S · October 2015

How doesn't want cloaks
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or like this https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0bz1TyY7J7oqZRpqy6cbLcxc6uQeInoCCA8FpDloX6B7GBpgsup7d14aQ

reften · October 2015

Cloaks are what created the most lag in DAoC...and my guess as to why they're not in game right now.

Would just add to the lag problem. Of course they could be disabled for pvp areas, but then...meh

RizaHawkeye · October 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

With the Havok engine... they could just use the Havok cloth plug-in. Very little work on their part.

Here's a tech demo from six years ago... I repeat SIX YEARS ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtyIjRD6lAw

Notice how the cloth changes color? That's because Havok Cloth has variable cloth resolutions. Meaning that cloth close to you can flow realistically and dynamically while cloth father away can be more static.

For what it's worth, I know Havok has had this tech available for several years. It shows up in games with very limited character creation or where the game requires that you play a particular character.

So the tech is available. But can they make it work without clipping?

I honestly don't think they can. Look at the armor now. The models are currently placed to avoid clipping and so, on some characters, you have that strange floating armor piece on the knee or over the hip. It's ugly and I really do not like it.

So capes can be made. They been made by modders in games like Oblivion and Skyrim where the character bodies were more static. Cloaks of Skyrim is awesome, but the mod comes with this warning:

Q- So much clipping! Is this normal?
A- Afraid so. Some clipping is inevitable, as the cloaks can't be made to work flawlessly with every armour/clothing type. Re: clipping of feet - the hide cloaks won't clip, as they are attached to the feet. The linen/burlap cloaks will clip with the feet, as they aren't attached. However, if attached, the flowing movements of the cloak would then be lost. I personally prefer the way the linen cloak moves, so the clipping is a minor inconvenience for me. but I can understand if it is a turn-off for you. If it is intolerable, I'd recommend using the hide cloak variants or the shorter capes.

I suspect one of the reason there are no capes in the game (apart from the animation and lag issues) is that choices had to be made. The more options give for character customization; the less option available for fluid clothing.

Reavyne · October 2015

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Reavyne wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

NO cloaks

NO player housing

on and on

just say NO ;0

SO just say NO to cool content that every other game has?

Okay, so I am ambivalent to the issue of cloaks and capes. I like them, but in almost every game in which I've seen them, they look like crap. Well, unless you're standing perfectly still doing absolutely nothing.

But what other Elder Scrolls game was released with capes/cloaks? I'm trying to remember ... admittedly I've never played Arena or Daggerfall, but Morrowind was GOTY and had no cloaks and Oblivion was GOTY and had no cloaks and Skyrim was GOTY and, guess what? You got it! No cloaks.

But yes, Tera has cloaks. And I'm sure there's a bunch of Korean MMOs that have cloaks. And capes. And other things ...

Even if no other elder scrolls game has them they showed them in the video ZOS put out abit back, so they had them in the game....just got no idea why they did not go through with it, and "we could not make it work" is a dumb answer seeing as every other game makes it work and they already have the ability to add them into the game from the video they put out is all.

Reavyne · October 2015

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

They nixed cloaks because it would have been difficult to implement them in the game and animate properly. In the end it would have been more difficult to do than it would have been worth. Also, it probably would have caused even more strain on the game animating cloaks. They have enough trouble keeping the game running smooth as it is. If they can't do cloaks right, then there's really no use in implementing them (wish the same could be said for a lot of other things <_< ).

True if they cant do it right then best wait till it is done right...just really strange that they can have a GIANT anchor thing fall from the sky and have siege engines firing massive rocks....yet cloaks gave them trouble? lol its weird.

k9mouse · October 2015

I hate tail clipping (Khajiit and Argonians). I do not want any cloaks in the game until they can fix the tail clip issue.

Reavyne · October 2015

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

How doesn't want cloaks
or like this https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0bz1TyY7J7oqZRpqy6cbLcxc6uQeInoCCA8FpDloX6B7GBpgsup7d14aQ

Gah *** me that looks so cool....i need dis.