Oh, I just re-read and saw you meant the big netch boss? We don't use tank for him either... Our tank goes full dps on both this boss and the engine guardian in Darkshade. We all stick close together and move around the outside of the room killing adds and then all (including me, the healer) hit him with our hardest skills when he is down, and make sure to not get under boss, dodge rolling if the red appears under your feet I think all staying close is important (at least thats how our group does it) so nobody gets swamped by adds, they die faster, and its easier to heal If you play on PC EU, you are welcome to join our group sometime to go and finish it

Thanks for the info!!

So i need to focus on more of a hybrid build?
Drop the second bar of S&B and pick up a bow? (that's the only ranged thing i could do for the last boss anyway)

Also... would i need different gear then? different cp allocation?
My damage and crit chance would be pretty low overall if i just put a bow on and used the skills.

If you're only looking to get the helm, skip grobull. You don't have to kill him to get to the final boss. When I've gone helm farming in darkshade, the only boss we fight (besides the final one) is the boss in the middle that you HAVE to fight to open the door behind him (can't remember his name). Then we sneak past grobull and go right to the final boss. Though now they've changed it and you HAVE to fight all the dwarven enemies to get into the final boss chamber so that's a bit of a *** but still, if you're going after the helm, skip grobull IMO it's not worth the effort.

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Thanks for the info!!

So i need to focus on more of a hybrid build?
Drop the second bar of S&B and pick up a bow? (that's the only ranged thing i could do for the last boss anyway)

Also... would i need different gear then? different cp allocation?
My damage and crit chance would be pretty low overall if i just put a bow on and used the skills.

For Grobull, Steel Tornado from the dual wield line is great for AoE DPS on the netch adds. You do not need to be great DPS. Just essentially increase from 2 DPS in your group to 2.5 DPS. There is basically a tipping point here where you reach enough DPS to keep netch adds from overwhelming the group. Even a little extra DPS from the tank, if it keeps you above that tipping point, can make a huge difference.

Also, if you get cc'ed by the lightning, break free ASAP. If you are under Grobull, get out from under her ASAP. Be proactive about that. If she teleports on top of you, she is gonna drop that nasty AoE. Don't wait for the red circle. Always get clear of her if you are under her. If you are pinned in by adds, dodge roll through them so you have more flexibility to move if Grobull teleports on top of you. A Master Restoration Staff to restore stamina or a Templar throwing spear shards is very helpful here, so group has enough stamina to break CC and dodge roll when needed.

For the last boss, tank can use melee DPS on sphere adds. In some ways, the sphere adds are more dangerous than the final boss. Final boss is a rather long, annoying fight, but not too hard as long as you stay together and keep distance from boss. The sphere adds, though? They can be really dangerous, especially if they build up. A DK in group to pull all the spheres in with his chains, then group can AoE them down together is nice.

Note that there is a large army of dwemer constructs between Grobull and final boss. They are not really a boss, but it is a big fight. You do not need to fight the whole army. Just pull one mob from edge of army. Some, but not all, constructs will come to your group. From that point, the constructs will come in waves. Again, it is a big AoE fight where you need enough DPS to finish off enemies before you get overwhelmed. Watch out for steam breath and spin attack from the big constructs (telegraphed by red areas on ground) and the ground wave attack from the spheres (no red line associated with this, just need to keep an eye out for it).

This is usually how it goes with me... Run in unprepared and wonder wtf is going on.

https://youtu.be/3qL2VtP1qDs

Honestly, in ESO the "holy trinity" idea is lessened.


What kind of warrior would you be if all you could do is stand there and take hits?

What use is a healer who can't defend herself when she's cornered?


ESO has somewhat more realistic action-based real-time combat, where the tank can never be expected to grab every mob at all times. It's sort of a mess, like real combat is. Real combat isn't choreographed, and while strategy is made, it all comes down to individual members doing things well, and reacting to the situation when it comes down to it.


Please don't think of your tank as just a meat shield in ESO, as this will hold you back.

Your tank needs to be able to self-heal and dish out good damage, too.


My healer needs to be able to stand her ground (she isn't a glass canon), and she also needs to be able to dish out damage.


The Champion System as well basically funnels all players towards getting better at everything. It feels wrong at first if you were trained by other (lesser) MMO systems, but in reality ESO is closer to where a modern MMO should be.


A test you can perform to validate your build is heading into a group dungeon alone. If you have basically zero chance against the intro room mob trash packs, then you might ask why you're failing. It's all about balance. My healer can almost solo Wayrest sewers, and I kept doing that and tinkering and going "okay, what do I need?".

Once you can feel more capable in the more extreme end of the challenge, with a group things become fairly comfortable.

jakeedmundson wrote: »

rb2001 wrote: »

Honestly, in ESO the "holy trinity" idea is lessened.


What kind of warrior would you be if all you could do is stand there and take hits?

What use is a healer who can't defend herself when she's cornered?


ESO has somewhat more realistic action-based real-time combat, where the tank can never be expected to grab every mob at all times. It's sort of a mess, like real combat is. Real combat isn't choreographed, and while strategy is made, it all comes down to individual members doing things well, and reacting to the situation when it comes down to it.


Please don't think of your tank as just a meat shield in ESO, as this will hold you back.

Your tank needs to be able to self-heal and dish out good damage, too.


My healer needs to be able to stand her ground (she isn't a glass canon), and she also needs to be able to dish out damage.


The Champion System as well basically funnels all players towards getting better at everything. It feels wrong at first if you were trained by other (lesser) MMO systems, but in reality ESO is closer to where a modern MMO should be.


A test you can perform to validate your build is heading into a group dungeon alone. If you have basically zero chance against the intro room mob trash packs, then you might ask why you're failing. It's all about balance. My healer can almost solo Wayrest sewers, and I kept doing that and tinkering and going "okay, what do I need?".

Once you can feel more capable in the more extreme end of the challenge, with a group things become fairly comfortable.

It's hard to understand why only the healer and tank are expected to take multiple jobs and the dps only need to focus on 1 thing.
Question though... doesn't spell damage, spell crit rating, and magicka pool help healers with dps? They should automatically have decent amounts in these categories if they heal, right? (i'm not being a smart a$$... honestly asking)
i'm assuming their set bonuses might be slightly different for healing compared to dps though.
A tank needs health and resistance to survive. But we also need magicka to use our buffs and heals. AND we need stamina to block, break free, and taunt. Also... none of the tanking gear adds to weapon damage, weapon crit, or stamina pools.
I really agree that each class and job should be self reliant... but i always hear the opposite side of it too about "its an MMO, you have to rely on your group members"

I do understand (and like) the idea of being well rounded... but if its dependent on the champion system i'm in trouble with only 100 CP. (not sure how people have 300+ on console already)
i'm somewhere in the middle of casual and hardcore... i play a lot but i don't do anything competitively. (like pvp)

The problem i keep running into is...
If i try to do more dps... i end up having something like.. 22kish health with food but a large enough stamina pool to help dps and something close to 15-20k resistances. Then i have a hard time staying alive in a lot of vet dungeon scenarios.

If i stick with tanking only.. i have 30k health and 30k resistances but little dps/stamina pool. (around 17k stam) And i'm stuck in the place i am now

My healer does actually do pretty high damage too she has 2 sets of clothes, one for dps/pvp, and one for healing, and my vet8 DK is mainly dps so has lots of stamina and weapon damage, but he can tank really well too if I put him some health enchanted heavy armour, though not sure what he will be like at it at vet 16.. Will have to wait and see! But I think it is possible to do both.