CP5 wrote: »

Odds are if ZOS were to do something like this they would only pick one skill's morph to change. If it was a storm calling skill stamina sorcs could use it to proc disintegration (which scales off max hp) as a nice damage source, or dark magic for the blood magic passive. I would honestly prefer if crystal blast were changed so we could use blood magic as a heal, and then (optimistically) add minor shock damage to surge, and make critical surge cause small shock explosions on cirt hits that it procs on, and power surge adding a much smaller aoe but on all crits.

the exact thing i was talking about ingame the other day in EU's busyest camp, most agreed especially on the tiny sparks type thing from surge so it can actually benifit from it's own tree's passives

Huggalump wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Please... no more gimmicky RNG procs! Just make it instant damage and call it a day.

I think Mage's Fury would be the ideal candidate. Just give it a Stamina morph and up the base damage so that it's the same as Surprise Attack or whatever. This doesn't need to be complicated!

that would actually be overpowered since it has a built in execute and can proc disintigration

like @Emma_Eunjung said, no one here wants to be overpowered. Honestly, if stam sorc became overpowered i'd stop playing it. It's not fun being overpowered.

I just want to feel like a sorc while playing stamina. That's it.

Also... i have a bias against being forced into wrecking blow because i hate relying on a cast time in melee combat

i can agree being overpowered wouldnt be fun since we'd just become another fotm build and then people would end up overusing it and getting it nerfed in all the wrong ways as ZoS has shown.

personally we just need one stam nuke and surge to get a slight buff in that it gets small static shocks so it can proc disintergrate.

that and alos the weapon skills seriously need work but thats an off topic thing

Huggalump wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Please... no more gimmicky RNG procs! Just make it instant damage and call it a day.

I think Mage's Fury would be the ideal candidate. Just give it a Stamina morph and up the base damage so that it's the same as Surprise Attack or whatever. This doesn't need to be complicated!

that would actually be overpowered since it has a built in execute and can proc disintigration

like @Emma_Eunjung said, no one here wants to be overpowered. Honestly, if stam sorc became overpowered i'd stop playing it. It's not fun being overpowered.

I just want to feel like a sorc while playing stamina. That's it.

Also... i have a bias against being forced into wrecking blow because i hate relying on a cast time in melee combat

i can agree being overpowered wouldnt be fun since we'd just become another fotm build and then people would end up overusing it and getting it nerfed in all the wrong ways as ZoS has shown.

personally we just need one stam nuke and surge to get a slight buff in that it gets small static shocks so it can proc disintergrate.

that and alos the weapon skills seriously need work but thats an off topic thing

agree

I'm not so sure if I agree that crit surge needs a buff though. With the reduced pvp healing of everything else, crit surge healing directly off damage done is pretty huge.

yeah but stam sorc doesnt really use the storm line propperly since nothing used is synergy unless thundering counts but the thing is it's hardly that useful in combat itself, more for escaping while surge is used in pretty much every melee build i'v come across so why not give all surge morphs the ability to spark, even if its for minor damage, atleast then we can benefit from our passives propperly.

add onto that a crystal stam instant and we'v practically become a real thing, no longer being over shadowed by Stamblades or stamplars

I saw some great ideas mentioned here:

- Stam morph of Chrystal frag(replacing useless skill finally with a stam sorc benefiting one)
- Scale pet on higher stat instead of always Magicka (stam sorc with pets a possible build?)
- Surge dealing small amount of shock dmg(dot?) on crit hitting for a chance to proc desintegrate
alternative: crit hit adds small shock dmg to every dmg ability/weapon attack for rest of surge duration

Aunatar wrote: »

Sarousse wrote: »

We're the only class without a direct damage skill stamina morph. It's about time you give us one.

Erm, what about DK

Sending to you and all of the other DK's, you are our friends.

Lightning strike

Zlater wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

Sending to you and all of the other DK's, you are our friends.

That's so nice. We hope you know, we care about all you stam sorcs and hope you feel better soon

Aww thanks, I don't do stamming on my sorc anymore however. Sorcs are kinda only good for shield stacking honestly XD I do try my best to keep up to date with it though, hopefully I'll be able to use medium armor again soon.

I'm super excited for the DK's with the buff for spiked armor though, maybe not too useful in PvE but I imagine it will make a huge difference in Pvp against all of the jabjabjab and steel tornado spamming! definately not enough to make me even consider playing a DK at the moment, lol DK's are the worst class at every PvE role. But maybe once we have finished buffing NB's into god mode, they might start showing some love to the lesser classes_ '''"

I think about picking up my vet3 parked DK, could you tell me what change was discussed on Spiked armor? I was busy showing how I hate the new Destro Maelstrom Staff coming in Orsinium and how Wall of Elements stays a crap skill, therefore I'm not informed on other changes too much

Throwing more ideas around.. What about a crystal morph that would be a low range aoe

Crystal Shockwave
3-4 meters area effect
Knockdown
Does say 2/3-3/4 damage of wrecking bblow
Instant cast stamina ability

Animation might be like slamming a shard into the ground to create a shockwave.

Why must the Sorcerer class be continually changed for you stam sorc, flavor of the month, hipsters?

Its obviously a magicka/summoning based class. How does it even make sense for something like Crystal Shards to cost Stamina? How exactly are your physical abilities summoning daedric shards from oblivion?

If you really want to be a stamina sorc then you must accept the fact that you're just going to have to be a hybrid, like a stamina nightblade; you will have to have enough points in magicka to do the neat Sorcerer tricks and the rest into stamina.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

Why must the Sorcerer class be continually changed for you stam sorc, flavor of the month, hipsters?

Its obviously a magicka/summoning based class. How does it even make sense for something like Crystal Shards to cost Stamina? How exactly are your physical abilities summoning daedric shards from oblivion?

Puncturing sweep.
explain to me how a spear of light coming out of nowhere is a stamina thing?

don't try to be a put down just because YOU want them to be magicka or gtfo.

otherwise we'll do the same with NB's and stamina. they shouldnt be magic based after all for a class clearly designed to be stab you from the shadows.

if you don't like the idea of a stam sorc you obviously prefer fixed arch types. in the elder scrolls tho the idea of a sorcerer weilding a sword and fighting up close with spell and blade isn't uncommon. hell the morrowind manual has an Altmer who's good with LONG BLADES and DESTRUCTION MAGIC and guess what? he's shown holding a 2handed blade and robes. so don't throw the "it's a magicka only class" excuse at the public.

if i went off on a rant my apologies but your type who say this or that as if YOU designed the game and lore really push my buttons.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

@Huggalump

So you're a spellsword.. then you must accept the fact that you are a hybrid; some things are going to cost magicka and some are going to cost stamina. Deal with it.

My problem is that you and your friends can't accept this. You are constantly trying to force ZoS to change the game to suit your niche playstyle so that you can min/max stamina on a class that is meant to be magicka or at the very least a hybrid.

I don't understand why you're angry about this, haha. Again, nothing we are doing or have done is hurting magicka builds. In fact, some things have benefited magicka builds.

All I can tell you is that what you're suggesting is simply not how the game works. Hybrids worked when softcaps existed. Now that there are no softcaps, if you spec hybrid (points in magic and points in stamina), you'll have gimped stamina and magic builds. Basically, you'll make both worthless. So to make a character that works at end game, you have to go all into stamina or all into magic... with some points into health if necessary.

But you're right! Some things are gonna cost magic! I'm not asking for streak to cost stamina, or pets, or crowd control, or buffs, or minds. The only thing I want a stamina option for is the basic, fundamental ability to attack... Stamina nightblades have the ability to attack. Stamina Templars have the ability to attack. Stamina DKs.... well they're fighting for the ability to attack as well :P.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

@Huggalump

I'm not angry; more bored, at work, and wishing I could be playing instead..

I just think its completely fine the way it is. Its that you min/maxxers always assert that hybrids can't function in endgame... and therefore ZoS must bend to your will. This is complete nonsense. I am a Sorc hybrid the other way, I have some points in stamina and most in magicka. I also have a hybrid nightblade. I do very well in PvP and have done over 150 Vet dungeons.

In short, why can't you just play the damn game the way it was created and stop this entitled ***.

Play the game the way it was created? With softcaps? I'd love to! Great idea.

This is the PTS forum and it's designed for players to give feedback. Requesting something that I think is a good idea and would make the game more fun is not trying to make ZOS "bend to our will." It's offering player feedback. This is how games improve.

Again, other classes have stamina morphs for their damage abilities. It's clear as day that this is how ZOS intends the game to be played. It's not the meta I created in my head, it's the meta ZOS created in the game.

You have a hybrid build and you can function. Great. But I 100% guarantee you would be stronger if you went completely into stamina or magic. What's your bar set up? Let's say maybe it's crystal shard and wrecking blow. Your crystal shard will not do as much damage as a magic build. Your wrecking blow will not do as much damage as a stamina build. Having both them on your bar does not allow you to do more damage. You may still be able to complete stuff, but it is a gimped build. If you're having fun, that's great! Keep it! For me, however, that's not fun. And what I'm suggesting isn't going to hurt your build or your ability to play your way in the slightest.

And I also just realized our conversation is off point. You're talking about me making ZOS "bend to my will" to make stam sorcs stronger. I never said anything in the thread about making stam sorcs stronger. This thread isn't about nerfs or buffs or balance. The only thing I've talked about is making the game more fun.

As a Stam Sorc, I can use wrecking blow. It's strong as hell! But, imo, it's not fun and, of course, it doesn't relate at all to being a sorc. This thread is not about buffs or nerfs, it's about making the Sorc more complete within the meta that ZOS has created.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

@Huggalump

So you're a spellsword.. then you must accept the fact that you are a hybrid; some things are going to cost magicka and some are going to cost stamina. Deal with it.

My problem is that you and your friends can't accept this. You are constantly trying to force ZoS to change the game to suit your niche playstyle so that you can min/max stamina on a class that is meant to be magicka or at the very least a hybrid.

LOL, what a load of bunk! 3 out of 4 classes get to choose between viable builds with Magicka OR Stamina damage... there's nothing "niche" about it. Why can't Sorcs get to make that choice, too?

i´m agreeing to the need of a stamina attack for sorcs but crystal blast is the wrong one.

1. its not an instant ability and would have to have a comparable functionality as frags wich doesent help stam sorcs at all.
2. eso sorcs are tied to lightning in this game so from my perspective the stamina attack should be a morph of a lightning attack
3. with my suggestion allready explained in this thread it would aswell kill two further birds with one stone, as it would open up more weapon options to sorcs as it would lessen the need of 2h, and would open one class defining passive to be used by stamina sorcs (desintegration)

Erock25 wrote: »

What stam sorc needs is a way to layer their burst dmg. There are many ways to do this either by creating a slow moving range projectile that can be used in combination with a charge ability or a delayed burst mechanic similar to Velocious Curse. My vote for stam sorc change is to make Daedric Tomb into Daedric Weapon, which imbues your weapons (BOTH BARS) with Daedric essence or whatever the [snip] you want to call it and after a 4 second activation time (keeps the delayed activation of mines theme) your next weapon attack (could be any stamina based ability dmg or could be light/heavy attack ... doesn't really matter) deals X additional Daedric dmg.

What you're describing sounds like something they should tack onto Bound Armaments (since as you say it'd be on both bars) and would fit in the theme of Armaments being a combination of both bound armor and weapons.

I use tomb over the other one currently, >-> but it'd be kind of nice if they had a chance to re-arm after dealing a crit.