First impressions: character creation, game saves, etc.

ladyonthemoon · October 2015

So:
- we cannot load previous saves,
- if we want to go back to the beginning, we must completely re-create our character.

I had spent hours creating my first character, I wanted to go back to the beginning with that character but, no, it's not possible. Did I spend hours re-creating it? No. I just took that first that came on the screen and changed her hair style and colour, eye colour, atonements, etc.

I'm not happy with that.

Edit: actually, I'm furious.

cavakthestampede · October 2015

Saving character appearance would be a neat feature (like in ff14 for example).

I create a notepad and write down the # position of each setting for toons I like the look of in case I start them over as a different class but want to retain the look/name.

The feature whose lack is upsetting you would be a convenience, but its not like you cant create that character again.

gclifton58ub17_ESO · October 2015

Ummm..

This an MMO, not a single player game. There is no going back to a previous save. You would want a single player game for that.

edit for spelling

ladyonthemoon · October 2015

gclifton58ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ummm.. This an MMO, not a single player game. Their is no going back to a previous save. You would want a single player game for that.

Okay, you'll have to convince me that MMOs do not need previous saves, though. Frankly, I don't see why not. If your answer is "because it's how things have always been in mmos", do not bother posting.

This game would be gorgeous if our characters were not treated like they didn't exist; if they were treated like persons, not like "toons". If they could rent a bed in an inn where they could have a good meal and then sleep until the next morning. I bet there is no inns, or usable beds, or usable seats, in this game; am I right?

Tyrix · October 2015

The word you're looking for is appearance vouche. And yes, it is very much needed.

Frawr · October 2015

Updating the title of your thread to refer to char creation will help a lot.

I also read it as saving the game, rather than saving the character settings.

ADarklore · October 2015

You want an appearance save when we can't even get them to add a 'saved system setting' across characters. Nothing like having to remember all your system settings, keybindings, etc. for every new character when this should be a simple feature for them to add- most MMOs that I know have this.

ladyonthemoon · October 2015

Frawr wrote: »

You want an appearance save when we can't even get them to add a 'saved system setting' across characters. Nothing like having to remember all your system settings, keybindings, etc. for every new character when this should be a simple feature for them to add- most MMOs that I know have this.

Ah yes, I had noticed this too... (sigh)

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

Okay, you'll have to convince me that MMOs do not need previous saves, though. Frankly, I don't see why not. If your answer is "because it's how things have always been in mmos", do not bother posting.

That's because of the "persistant world" and "competitive game".

Let's assume you go to the sewers, farm 3000 telvar stones and loose them to another player = wanna rollback on that ? Not the name of the game.

All PvP environment is persistant, keeps, resources, objectives change colors/ownership while you're offline and others are online. The game world changes when you're not playing because others are playing. That's what MMOs are for.

Players also do business, trade, buy, sell goods. Wanna rollback on that ? impossible.

What's succeeded is succeeded, what's failed is failed, what's done is done, what's bought is bought, what's spent is spent.

If you choose to spend on resources or your gold on a particular set you have to make it a *choice*, and stick with it. You cannot roll back and try another set. If you want another set you'll have to farm it again or collect the resources again.

And so on...

ADarklore · October 2015

@anitajoneb17_ESO
You must not have read the entire thread, the OP was asking for a 'save appearance' setting in the character creator, NOT a 'game save' feature.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

@anitajoneb17_ESO
You must not have read the entire thread, the OP was asking for a 'save appearance' setting in the character creator, NOT a 'game save' feature.

@ADarklore
Nope, you should read again.
She's asking for two things : 1/ "save appearance" 2/ "load previous saves". And then she asked why there's no "load previous saves" in MMOs. I'm right on topic on this question.

Regarding point 1 ("save appearance") I wouldn't mind that but I don't know how useful that would be because you could only use it with a reroll and you'd have to start the entire game over anyway.

terrordactyl1971 · October 2015

They are adding a barbers shop so appearance will be changeable soon

ADarklore · October 2015

Actually @anitajoneb17_ESO You need to go back and read what is being said and the context to which you made your point. When she was talking about 'previous saves' she was still talking about character creation, as her next paragraph went continued back to talking about character. Even a couple comments after that, another player noted that they were also mistaken in thinking she was talking about 'game saves' versus 'character creation saves'.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

@ADarklore : you have reading comprehension issues obviously. Or we're not reading the same thread. Or you're trolling. Doesn't matter either way.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

I agree, that happened me to a few times so I'm like EXTREMELY careful with what buttons I press when creating a character now.

Also it is a shame that there are no proper inns, beds to sleep in etc but we're getting player-owned houses in the future, it's already been confirmed so... that'll be interesting.

ADarklore · October 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Doesn't matter either way.

Doesn't matter either way because you're always right or you don't care about possibly distracting others from the original intent of the OPs post? I've seen this happen in far too many threads where one person will misconstrue something another player is saying, and suddenly the entire thread goes off in another direction and never actually addresses or discusses the OP's original question.

Perhaps the OP will pop in again and clarify for us as to whether she was, in fact, solely talking character creation saves, or if she was asking for 'game saves'. That way we can get back to the original topic at hand.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

Perhaps the OP will pop in again and clarify for us as to whether she was, in fact, solely talking character creation saves, or if she was asking for 'game saves'.

She did. She even edited the thread title : it says "character creation, game saves, etc.".
Note the commas. Commas are used for enumeration.
That means :
1/ character creation
2/ game saves
3/ other things

and NOT character creation saves.

Now please stop because frankly the one here who's derailing the thread is you.
I was only trying to help by answering a legit question (why no "load previous save" feature in MMOs) .
If this answer is of no interest to you, just don't read it, problem solved for you.

ADarklore · October 2015

@anitajoneb17_ESO Ah, I didn't see the title had changed from what it was initially... good catch. Seems I was the one in the wrong, and I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Back on topic... hopefully the OP can understand why there are no game saves, as was so eloquently laid out previously as to the reasons why.

CGPsaint · October 2015

The bottom line is that this game is simply not user friendly.

Belidos · October 2015

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

gclifton58ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ummm.. This an MMO, not a single player game. Their is no going back to a previous save. You would want a single player game for that.

Okay, you'll have to convince me that MMOs do not need previous saves, though. Frankly, I don't see why not. If your answer is "because it's how things have always been in mmos", do not bother posting.

This game would be gorgeous if our characters were not treated like they didn't exist; if they were treated like persons, not like "toons". If they could rent a bed in an inn where they could have a good meal and then sleep until the next morning. I bet there is no inns, or usable beds, or usable seats, in this game; am I right?

There is a "game save", it's called logging off, when you log off everything is saved and when you log on you're in the same place in the same condition. We don't have "previous saves" because the world is an ongoing evolving world and it continues around you, being able to load a previous save would effect every other player in the game, basically you can't have a previous save because there is nothing for you to save.

Think of it this way...

If you saved your game then went and bought an item, then decided to start again from your previous save, what happens to that item and the gold you used to buy it with?

"oh the item would be returned to the other player and I would get my gold back" you say, but what if the other play had already spent that gold on something? Would that item be returned so he could get your gold back to get his item back? And what if he had a save at after you bought the item but before you reverted to the save? We're talking about "divide by zero blowing up the universe" consequences here.

Tomg999 · October 2015

Re - saved games - I came to ESO from the Elder Scrolls games, and at first I was a little thrown by not saving all the time. After a short while though, I shifted midset from "remember to save!" and "I'll just reload and try again" to one where I have to think before I make decisions. It is totally different. And I love it - it makes one's decisions more important.

Also after several alts, I have no problem worrying about being able to repeat quests that I like.
I've certainly listened to Lyris argue with Abnur Tharn & Aelif whine about the Fighter's Guild politics enough times ......

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

gclifton58ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ummm.. This an MMO, not a single player game. Their is no going back to a previous save. You would want a single player game for that.

Okay, you'll have to convince me that MMOs do not need previous saves, though. Frankly, I don't see why not. If your answer is "because it's how things have always been in mmos", do not bother posting.

This game would be gorgeous if our characters were not treated like they didn't exist; if they were treated like persons, not like "toons". If they could rent a bed in an inn where they could have a good meal and then sleep until the next morning. I bet there is no inns, or usable beds, or usable seats, in this game; am I right?

There is one account file not a per character save file on their server.
You're playing in a world with other characters where the world dynamically changes for Evertone

Your desires are only possible in a single player game

ladyonthemoon · October 2015

Belidos wrote: »

... We don't have "previous saves" because the world is an ongoing evolving world and it continues around you, being able to load a previous save would effect every other player in the game, basically you can't have a previous save because there is nothing for you to save. ...

Ah, thank you for the explanation; now I understand. So, we definitely need "Player Character saves" so that we don't need to recreate our favourite character each time we want to begin a new game.

Somebody said that we would have player owned houses in the future? For free? And there will be beds, and seats, for the player to use? What about children? Where are the children in this game?

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2015

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

Somebody said that we would have player owned houses in the future?

Yes.

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

For free?

We don't know. Probably not.

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

And there will be beds, and seats, for the player to use?

We don't know. Probably yes.
You already have a lot of emotes available for use that can make you eat, drink, salute, lie down, sit, etc.

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

What about children? Where are the children in this game?

No children in ESO.

You might want to play the game and discover for yourself.
And/or join a RP-guild who will know more and in more detail about all the RP features in the game (or the ones that are planned to be implemented).

nimander99 · October 2015

WTH?

Asherons_Call · October 2015

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

So:
- we cannot load previous saves,
- if we want to go back to the beginning, we must completely re-create our character.

I had spent hours creating my first character, I wanted to go back to the beginning with that character but, no, it's not possible. Did I spend hours re-creating it? No. I just took that first that came on the screen and changed her hair style and colour, eye colour, atonements, etc.

I'm not happy with that.

Edit: actually, I'm furious.

You do realize this is an MMO right? Lol

Save games do not exist on an MMO. Wait.. Are you trolling?

notimetocare · October 2015

ladyonthemoon wrote: »

gclifton58ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ummm.. This an MMO, not a single player game. Their is no going back to a previous save. You would want a single player game for that.

Okay, you'll have to convince me that MMOs do not need previous saves, though. Frankly, I don't see why not. If your answer is "because it's how things have always been in mmos", do not bother posting.

This game would be gorgeous if our characters were not treated like they didn't exist; if they were treated like persons, not like "toons". If they could rent a bed in an inn where they could have a good meal and then sleep until the next morning. I bet there is no inns, or usable beds, or usable seats, in this game; am I right?

Skyrim is the other way... this is an MMORPG. It is not because 'that is how mmos are' but because MMOs do not need those. The game saves you to the server 24/7. You cannot control the day night cycle, sleeping though the night would have you afking for 2-3 hours.

SHADOW2KK · October 2015

OP has already learned the differences @notimetocare and @Asherons_Call:P

Asherons_Call · October 2015

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

OP has already learned the differences @notimetocare and @Asherons_Call:P

I think the OP is just having trouble expressing what he/she is asking for. A barber shop

SHADOW2KK · October 2015

Asherons_Call wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

OP has already learned the differences @notimetocare and @Asherons_Call:P

I think the OP is just having trouble expressing what he/she is asking for. A barber shop

Aye defo agree with that, but subsequent posts have enlightened OP hehe.

ladyonthemoon · October 2015

I don't need a barber shop, thank you. This thread can be locked.