Mythk wrote: »

Why would you morph to Whirling Blades?

- lost a bet
- was drunk
- was bored and wanted to level all morphs
- had pity for the magicka aoe users

Shh. Don't tell people that. :P Much easier to wipe people who do nothing but spam executes and not have any burst.

Indeed. There's also Wrecking Blow

Etaniel wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Shh. Don't tell people that. :P Much easier to wipe people who do nothing but spam executes and not have any burst.

as if you need to spam anything else when there's 6/7 in the group doing that... It doesn't take any more effort since they have 10 people on barrier rotation

It's easy to heal through.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Shh. Don't tell people that. :P Much easier to wipe people who do nothing but spam executes and not have any burst.

as if you need to spam anything else when there's 6/7 in the group doing that... It doesn't take any more effort since they have 10 people on barrier rotation

It's easy to heal through.

If you have 10 people spamming heals, maybe. With the same logic all damage is easy to heal though, is it not?

Yeah sorry I should of been more clear I'm talking more about group vs group.

Burst damage is harder to heal through. I prefer a combination of well timed prox det + crush with only a couple of tornados to finish it off. It's interesting to see how different groups have different ways of going about it though.

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Shh. Don't tell people that. :P Much easier to wipe people who do nothing but spam executes and not have any burst.

as if you need to spam anything else when there's 6/7 in the group doing that... It doesn't take any more effort since they have 10 people on barrier rotation

It's easy to heal through.

If you have 10 people spamming heals, maybe. With the same logic all damage is easy to heal though, is it not?

Yeah sorry I should of been more clear I'm talking more about group vs group.

Burst damage is harder to heal through. I prefer a combination of well timed prox det + crush with only a couple of tornados to finish it off. It's interesting to see how different groups have different ways of going about it though.

Well Prox Det is equally broken imo. They nerfed Impulse and promised a skill to counter zergs yet the skill is basically Impulse 2.0, with less DPS but more burst. GG

In the meantime I'm sitting over here hoping that one day ranged AoEs will be as powerful as PBAoEs to counter the blobbing mentality .

If the keep mages can put down 12m radius AoEs with 2k damage ticks... why does Liquid Lightning have 5m range and a quarter of that damage, while Steel Tornado has 12m range and does 4k-7k (depending on HP & crits) per spin?Like seriously what is the logic?

You can always walk out of, or Negate, a ground AoE anyways. Or you can speedbuff through it. So why are Ash Could, Volley, Lighting Splash, Wall of Elements, Spear Shards so rubbish damage and range wise, compared all the PBAoEs?

Wait, you're not supposed to have steel tornado on your bar 5 times?

Guard OP. Nerf Guard.

12m range
+ execute
+ scales off wd which you can stack incredibly high



Are you sure there's another?

Xiphyla wrote: »

Just curious , how come steel tornado is a execute while pulsar or ele ring isnt a execute ?

Because it has bigger range and dmg, so it only makes sense that it's an execute on top of that, oh wait....

Good thing we only have to wait until the next major update for any skill balancing passes by ZOS!!!

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Shh. Don't tell people that. :P Much easier to wipe people who do nothing but spam executes and not have any burst.

as if you need to spam anything else when there's 6/7 in the group doing that... It doesn't take any more effort since they have 10 people on barrier rotation

It's easy to heal through.

If you have 10 people spamming heals, maybe. With the same logic all damage is easy to heal though, is it not?

Yeah sorry I should of been more clear I'm talking more about group vs group.

Burst damage is harder to heal through. I prefer a combination of well timed prox det + crush with only a couple of tornados to finish it off. It's interesting to see how different groups have different ways of going about it though.

Well Prox Det is equally broken imo. They nerfed Impulse and promised a skill to counter zergs yet the skill is basically Impulse 2.0, with less DPS but more burst. GG

In the meantime I'm sitting over here hoping that one day ranged AoEs will be as powerful as PBAoEs to counter the blobbing mentality .

If the keep mages can put down 12m radius AoEs with 2k damage ticks... why does Liquid Lightning have 5m range and a quarter of that damage, while Steel Tornado has 12m range and does 4k-7k (depending on HP & crits) per spin?Like seriously what is the logic?

You can always walk out of, or Negate, a ground AoE anyways. Or you can speedbuff through it. So why are Ash Could, Volley, Lighting Splash, Wall of Elements, Spear Shards so rubbish damage and range wise, compared all the PBAoEs?

This post brings back good memories, back in BWB when the npc tower mages could wipe a group by placing that aoe. If you didn't get out asap you would be dead in a moment, but now I maybe throw up a resist or a quick heal and ignore it. That's the solution to zergs ZOS, decent ranged aoe's that make people want to get away from them, ones that can't just be ignored.

TheBull wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I remember when I made a thread about the OPness of steel tornado back in April...Steel Tornado the new Impulse

And we had genius posts from the likes of IN RESPONSE TO DUMB COMMENTS FROM MIKE LIKE "If I see 20 people spam Brawler, like I did see 20 people spam Steel Tornado, I might start getting worried. But I haven't yet." @TheBull

TheBull wrote: »

A raid full of stamina users? Cool story...

Fixed it for you.

Fixed what exactly? The lack of forethought from a large part of the player base (including you) that a riduclously strong PBAoE skill would become a zerg tool? You can't fix that buddy.

Normal behaviour is to start getting worried when you see the road is heading towards a cliff, not when you're free-falling off it. Then it's too late.

We had all these threads about "monkey pulse spamming" by many people, yet most of them went quiet when it came to steel tornado. Or even more hypocritically, they were throwing the same suggestions that were thrown at them about Impulse by Impulse-spammers "try moving out of the way" etc.

I'm still pretty new to all this and I have to say I love rolling in groups on the open field because it feels like you are a part of something big. You show up to a siege and it feels like there is so much action all around you. Being new to the game, I never realized what buffs we were getting in those large groups - I assumed my teammates were taking the damage and falling around me.

I've been on the forums for a couple weeks now, and I can see how this is broken for players who prefer to play small group and solo. I saw somewhere, someone else mentioned increasing AoE damage from siege weapons on large groups too. I think that's awesome. If you have globbing happening, a few well placed scorpion shots should break that up quickly.

There should be a few instakills in the center and damage radiating outward. It's like having a hidden howitzer or small mortar teams off in the flanks somewhere that keep a whole platoon at bay. Then, with a good leader, you get guys to break off and handle the scorpion while the rest can focus on the siege at hand.

That's all to say that the defense against a zerg should be equal to the power they have. To me, in real life, a zerg of lower level guys should be able to over run a more veteran player, but he might be able to take a few down with him - like a zombie mob.

I think it's important to support large groups with some buffs, but also temper it with some detriments to being bunched up. It makes sense that you need a bunch of guys to take a castle, but then the hoard should be forced to strategize how to concentrate their efforts without becoming a barrel of fish to be shot at.

The vets in your ranks should be treated more like the champions and heroes of each faction. They should be elite in the game, but not invincible. I think they should be able to come into the field and 1v1 the sieging faction's champions while at the same time, watching their backs against a handful of pesky low-levelers. I think that's all fair in open war.

no there isn't. there is only the Force