Bhakura wrote: »

Solod all dungeons
Hardest was stamina NB, but that was pre vet points

Stamina NB. Check. No Vet points. Check.

UPDATE:

So I finally did this at level 25 at the cost of about 14 lesser soul gems. Honestly, it was still fun, and I was able to solo all the bosses but one: Rork Bonehammer, the gobin with the firebreathing/lava whip capabilities. If you can't get out of the way, then he hits you for like 2.4k damage.

One response might be: well, block it, Riza! But you know I'm going to say, right? Zeni has nerfed blocking and dodging to the point that if you're playing a stamina nighblade, you eventually have to choose between using your skills and blocking. And if you can't block this guy, then he snags a third of your health in one freakin hit. (Yes, I was using stamina food buffs.)

The person who ended up helping me noted that without a healing skill (DW/Bow NB), it would be really hard to beat this boss.

The rest of the bosses were pretty doable (after I followed the advice I was given). Lughar (the animal thingy) was the next hardest, again because its bites do a lot of damage but you can only block so many before you're done with stamina.

I finished the group boss with 100% health. Seriously. It was the easiest group boss I've ever fought.

EPILOGUE:

So, first ... a shout out of thanks to @daemonios and @UrQuan and everyone else who helped me improve my game. I did do a respec and dumped a lot of crafting points. I boosted some skills and morphed some skills. I also picked up a couple of AoE skills I didn't have.

I also leveled up my armor and weapons (which were at 16 and I crafted them to level 24). I followed @daemonios' tip and grabbed some food buffs before going in.

Honestly though, this entire experience made me think about game difficulty and how games are made. I encountered an experience that was difficult in the game, even very challenging. I asked for help and some people here on the forum gave me some tips that helped me get past this but also improve my overall game. I'm a better player today than I was two days ago. Sure, I died a lot over the last couple of days. And that kind of sucked. But I eventually got the dungeon and most of the bosses on my own, and now I have this sense of accomplishment.

And no skills, attributes, classes, dungeons, bosses, mobs, or gameplay was nerfed in the process. None. Zippo. Nada.

A hard challenge isn't a bad thing. And just because one player can't beat another player or a boss or clear a dungeon doesn't mean that something needs to be nerfed. Sometimes the player just needs to learn to play better. I can say that because I had to learn to play better. And I did.

So note to Zenimax: Stop nerfing!! Sometime it's okay to just offer solutions to players and not change anything. Really.

RizaHawkeye wrote: »

Bhakura wrote: »

Solod all dungeons
Hardest was stamina NB, but that was pre vet points

Stamina NB. Check. No Vet points. Check.

UPDATE:

So I finally did this at level 25 at the cost of about 14 lesser soul gems. Honestly, it was still fun, and I was able to solo all the bosses but one: Rork Bonehammer, the gobin with the firebreathing/lava whip capabilities. If you can't get out of the way, then he hits you for like 2.4k damage.

One response might be: well, block it, Riza! But you know I'm going to say, right? Zeni has nerfed blocking and dodging to the point that if you're playing a stamina nighblade, you eventually have to choose between using your skills and blocking. And if you can't block this guy, then he snags a third of your health in one freakin hit. (Yes, I was using stamina food buffs.)

The person who ended up helping me noted that without a healing skill (DW/Bow NB), it would be really hard to beat this boss.

The rest of the bosses were pretty doable (after I followed the advice I was given). Lughar (the animal thingy) was the next hardest, again because its bites do a lot of damage but you can only block so many before you're done with stamina.

I finished the group boss with 100% health. Seriously. It was the easiest group boss I've ever fought.

EPILOGUE:

So, first ... a shout out of thanks to @daemonios and @UrQuan and everyone else who helped me improve my game. I did do a respec and dumped a lot of crafting points. I boosted some skills and morphed some skills. I also picked up a couple of AoE skills I didn't have.

I also leveled up my armor and weapons (which were at 16 and I crafted them to level 24). I followed @daemonios' tip and grabbed some food buffs before going in.

Honestly though, this entire experience made me think about game difficulty and how games are made. I encountered an experience that was difficult in the game, even very challenging. I asked for help and some people here on the forum gave me some tips that helped me get past this but also improve my overall game. I'm a better player today than I was two days ago. Sure, I died a lot over the last couple of days. And that kind of sucked. But I eventually got the dungeon and most of the bosses on my own, and now I have this sense of accomplishment.

And no skills, attributes, classes, dungeons, bosses, mobs, or gameplay was nerfed in the process. None. Zippo. Nada.

A hard challenge isn't a bad thing. And just because one player can't beat another player or a boss or clear a dungeon doesn't mean that something needs to be nerfed. Sometimes the player just needs to learn to play better. I can say that because I had to learn to play better. And I did.

So note to Zenimax: Stop nerfing!! Sometime it's okay to just offer solutions to players and not change anything. Really.

/cheer

dlepi24 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Hmm, I've soloed Bonesnap on all of my characters who have gone through Auridon. I didn't particularly find it to be any harder than the other public dungeons. Like the other public dungeons, though, it's a lot easier to do if you've got some decent AOE damage output and some self-heals.

Mind you, the first time I did Bonesnap, shortly after launch when I didn't yet understand the difference between a public dungeon and a delve... Oh man, it gave me fits back then.

I have to agree about the design of Bonesnap. That one grand chamber is pretty damn cool.

I remember trying to solo Spindle Clutch during the beta and didn't understand the concept of "group dungeon". I just thought it meant there would be other people in there. Needless to say, a half hour later I ended up quitting the beta. It probably would've helped if I had understood the game at that time and didn't have most of my points into the bow skill line and using a resto staff.

Oh man, very shortly after launch I also tried to solo Spindleclutch... Just like you, I didn't understand the concept of a group dungeon. I couldn't understand why I kept on getting stomped so badly in the first fight by all those spider mobs... I mean, I was a level or two higher than they were (there was no scaling of group dungeons yet), and I had never had any real trouble with mobs before - only with a few bosses. It probably didn't help that I was using sword & board exclusively at that time with full heavy armour, and hadn't yet figured out that a setup like that really isn't very good for getting solid damage output. After probably half a dozen deaths I gave up and decided to come back when I was higher level (it took me fewer times trying and dying to give up on Spindleclutch than it did to give up on Doshia back then).

When I finally found out that Spindleclutch was a group dungeon and you were supposed to do it with 4 people... Yeah, I facepalmed pretty hard.