Why does DC and Ad not make hardcore pvp guilds? I think you guys should stop complaining about EP and complain about your own factions. Although let me be clear I am not naive to the fact that EP has more. Wasn't there like a giant exodus from AD last year because they had such a *** pvp community?

So, let me get this straight, when EP fields multi-raids moving together as a zerg they roll everyone and take over the map.
WHen DC does the same thing they roll everyone and take over the map (or at least crown emp, gets scrolls, etc).

But the call is always for AD and DC to run in small groups and stay away from the zerg, for the sake of learning how to pvp properly.

"WHen I see a zerg at the same keep as my small 8 man, we leave".

So everyone runs separate and eventually gets rolled by the zergs.

DOES THIS MAKE ANY F***** SENSE!

Im gonna be honest with you LazyLewis, and while I agree with the general sentiment that EP is getting too big on Azuras...

Have you ever seen what AD does? I mean, youre not actually blind are you? PROTIP - I do know about the existence of the alliance guild that coordinates all the guild leads. Whether or not its still a thing I dont know nor care, but AD has always stuffed their entire population into a campaign, sometimes 5 organized raids deep if not more, to crush all competition.

Haderus, Thornblade, Azuras early, back on Auriels, Hopesfire... the list goes on and on.

its the whole reason I rolled EP over a year ago, because AD was just too damned big. Maybe too many came, but to be indignant about what EP does (and mind EP also had a huge influx of brandonzerg from DC in the last few months) when you yourself relied on a 60 man zerg to crown Chunky Nurse back on Thorn (which I remember because that was the cycle I was running high on the boards with you for most of it, competing), is pretty silly.

So I ask, why dont you bring your zerg and fight the EP zerg?

OP you should ask the 3 bars of AD on Haderus in the wee hours of the morning to help out on AS in that case.

EP hasn't been 'dominating' AS for a 'long time'. We barely won this cycle, and I say barely because we were actually in last place with AD and DC way ahead of us when IC launched. Then middle of the cycle AD and DC just kind of stopped trying. EP had been struggling for the previous 4-5 cycles under the bootheel of both enemy factions, barely able to hold onto home keeps much less scrolls and rarely ever crowning emps. Walks was the last emp of the cycle and held emp for a good stretch ov almost 2 weeks, and it wasn't for lack of trying on AD and DC's part. Both of them had poplocks DISPLAYED on the server pop, but we never saw their entire poplock on the field. That gives me the impression that there's way more AD and DC interested in pursuing Sewers grinding or Memorial District 'pvp' than there are controlling overworld objectives.

It's not that EP haven't been wanting to own the map either. Even Walks stated repeatedly that EP owning the map would be a bad thing and even abdicated after the camp reset to clear the way for newer players, but there's a raid or two worth of die-hard EP who want to push the map and AD and DC just aren't bringing a raid or two to push back.

This kind of ties in with another problem about ZOS dumping in new servers to 'ease the load' then once the post patch hype dwindles so do server pops. Players aren't going to want to fight big epic battles for objectives. Everyone will settle into a camp of their choosing and 'peacefully' grind away at a zone empty of anyone else but their own faction.

I really wish there were a way to make a PVP 'megaserver' that lobs people together in phases and ranks on individual performance in battles rather than a single overall score/middle finger at the end of the cycle, but that's a pickle-jar of worms that doesn't need to be opened any time soon.

DC had alot of good guilds that kept the pressure on EP middle of last AS cycle. Shortbus, VE, Chuck Norris, but they kind of just....evaporated after IC launched. I think some of them broke up or moved to another server.

Also its very poorly telling when DC brings 3 FULL RAIDs ( I am not exaggerating this) to deal with a group of 20 EP farming DC nooblets in that little ayleid door chamber just a block away from your sewer spawn point. 80 DC. That's 80 DC that are NOT defending home keeps, are NOT pushing scrolls, are NOT pushing emp. Most of what EP does is with 60-80 people. If AD and DC cannot field that much, then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

Biggest uprising I saw from AD after camp reset was a AD raid that ambushed (or at least tried to) EP as they were going after NiMokh. They had a clever eye of the needle strategy of arming bombs and running through the hallways of the gate, but they just couldn't stand against EP's vast numbers. They were one raid. Ideally they should have had 2 or 3 full raids.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

I really wish there were a way to make a PVP 'megaserver' that lobs people together in phases and ranks on individual performance in battles rather than a single overall score/middle finger at the end of the cycle, but that's a pickle-jar of worms that doesn't need to be opened any time soon.

Sorry, just gonna snip that and say, yeah that would be problematic, but it sure is an interesting idea.

Or would there be ways to encourage a similar type of division through rewards.

For example: If all of the campaigns were the same length, when they were done, it could select the 100-200 highest performing EP, AD, and DC, and put them in some special campaign for a week with crazy rewards to the winner / emperor. The Legends campaign.

I mean, we have these dynamic (read: changing, not awesome) campaigns, which have downsides of: people moving to find advantages, lack of realm pride, etc. But surely there must be advantages to having the ability to move around. Yet the campaigns just sit there as if they are Lancelot, Percival, etc from DAOC. There is no branching, no tiers, no tools provided by the game itself to take advantage of the mobility of the players.

Of course, then people would whine that they couldn't "access content" (barf).

Ok carry on, I just rarely read interesting ideas on the forums anymore so kudos for that one.

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Why does DC and Ad not make hardcore pvp guilds? I think you guys should stop complaining about EP and complain about your own factions. Although let me be clear I am not naive to the fact that EP has more. Wasn't there like a giant exodus from AD last year because they had such a *** pvp community?

Hi,

Did you not read what the poster wrote? "This not a complaint or NERF EVERYONE post. Just a simple statement of fact. ".

We are not here to complain, we are simply stating a problem and trying to find a solution.

My character was a born killer, am I the only one that does not have a heart when I talk about my enemy?

I vote to wipe EP off the map, kill every single one of them. They have ruled Cyrodiil for way to long and we DC need to take control of the entire map.

Some will say, "Well if you do that they won't play anymore". My response is, " I don't freaking care because one day I would love to sit on the North wall at Chal and eat my lunch without being sieged."

But really do you think they would quit? All those so called EP skilled players, or guilds. I don't think they would.

DC needs to get their **** together. We need better training, more players, active guilds ( that promote new players ), and we need better leadership.

Remember guys this is War! Today it is EP zerges, and tomorrow it might bet AD zerges. I say kill them all, and let them feel the pain. If they quit, that is ok with me. I will just trot around on my horse in Cydriil and pick flowers.

I know someone will say DC zerges too, but the thing is DC zerges are around 24 players. EP zerges get huge like 40+ players at a time. They are good players and that makes it even more of a threat.

Herbatio wrote: »

LazyLewis wrote: »

EP have completely dominated Azuras for along time. The issue is not any other faction. Those guilds need to spread out and find some where else to fight.

the 2 and a half campaigns before IC came out were won by DC if anyone doesnt remembe. They were close though but were won by the glorious blue, then well ummm IC came and ruined ***.






The only reason EP and AD are on top this time is because the low population bonus. SO we are now back in Azura with a roundhouse kick and the Texa's ranger action.......