Player Music

Taz
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I would love to see players being able to play instruments in game. Not just a few tunes looped into the /lute, /flute and /drum emotes, but full-fledged songs you can play in game.

Why add a player music system?
This is user-created content, in a nutshell. People can form bands, entertain others, work on creating their own tunes, host 'Battle of the Bards' type of tournaments and in general it increases enjoyment and immersion of the game. It's a mini-game that helps with quality of life, and it's been requested and suggested by others before.

How does it work?
Obviously ZOS can figure out how they personally would want to see it implemented, but some games have used an MML system (Mabinogi, ArcheAge) or ABC system (LotRO). Whether it be implemented as files you can access in game, much like an addon (preferred), or music sheets you actually compose in game (not advisable unless we get a separate containment or tab for it because nobody wants the extra bag clutter), there are different ways to put it in. I would much rather see the ability to play music with some ABC notation, for example, than see instruments added that you can only play on the spot using keystrokes.

How will this be profitable?
Aside from a general quality of life addition, I see it like this:
We start off being able to play three basic instruments, the lute, flute and drum. What if we want more? Well, just take a look at the Crown Store! There you can buy Harp Lessons for a modest fee for one of your characters. Want to learn the Reachman Bagpipes, used to honor the songs of Hagravens? You can get lessons for those too!

What if I don't want to be Rickrolled on a lute?
Of course with the introduction of this system, you would also want to add in a separate volume system just for player music. Don't want to hear it? Slide it to 0, it'll never be a problem. Popular songs don't sound too terrible or immersion-breaking when played on a lute, though, so I recommend giving your local bards a listen!


Why am I repeating a suggestion that others have requested before? Same reason anyone does I suppose; I haven't seen it mentioned in a while and more exposure means more of a chance to get feedback and show ZOS the interest an idea has. Just because a game needs base and system improvements doesn't mean we can't also suggest more of these quality of life things. After hearing the same flute, lute and drum songs over and over again while waiting in dungeons or hanging at the tavern, I'm really wishing for such a system to come soon. It isn't just an RPer thing. I am so not biased just because I RP a bard.

Comments, suggestions, critiques, wholehearted agreements?
  • Thymos
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    I'd rather have more quest content, before they put any focus on mini-games or side stuff that have no real bearing on character development.
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  • Gidorick
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    Thymos wrote: »
    I'd rather have more quest content, before they put any focus on mini-games or side stuff that have no real bearing on character development.

    I would also... but considering the rate of actual content releases I think I'd take fluff over nothing at all.

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  • Watkins
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    Thymos wrote: »
    I'd rather have more quest content, before they put any focus on mini-games or side stuff that have no real bearing on character development.

    Personally I'd rather see more mini-games and "fluff", as the other guy put it, than more repetitive quests that I'll just spam E through, or dungeons which don't really bring me any enjoyment. In order, this is what I'd like to see:

    Player Housing -> Player Music -> Mini-games like horse racing, card games, etc.

    For the last one (mini-games) I'd like to see Red Dead Redemption-esque ones - poker, blackjack, five finger fillet, etc.. Maybe that's because they were incredibly fun, maybe that's because I'm still spiteful that it was never released for PC, or maybe both.

  • dafox187
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    i love that idea sadly it will never be added

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  • Artheiron
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    this game got a way to go to become a classic mmo. I'd love to see this too. I remember we almost crashed the server with our 20 man band playing led zeppelin pink floyd and some classic rock songs in lotro. why it should be implemented? because why not!

    oh man... I missed lotro I'll download it now.
  • gilbegger
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    In LOTRO people played bands all the time. It was very cool. My little girl would dance in the background while they played.
  • Artheiron
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    good old days. I actually found a topic ZOS_BradDerrick says it was his pet project for a while. he says maybe. you know. zos and their "no promises" policy.

    Edited by Artheiron on October 15, 2015 1:13AM
  • NateAssassin
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    Can I load my own .MP3 files in so I can play dubstep out of my flute and play Lil Wayne out of my drum?
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    @NateAssassin MP3 files, lil wayne, is this your first mmorpg?
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    Artheiron wrote: »
    @NateAssassin MP3 files, lil wayne, is this your first mmorpg?
    Yeah man, I started playing on Club Penguin but I got banned for being mean to others on the internet and spreading penguin racial supremacy so I came to ESO a few days ago. Also what does "MMORPG" mean?

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  • UltimaJoe777
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    We get enough of people blaring hip hop in area chat as it is...
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    We get enough of people blaring hip hop in area chat as it is...

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  • UltimaJoe777
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    PBpsy wrote: »
    We get enough of people blaring hip hop in area chat as it is...

    Oh dear Sheogorath !!! I wouldn't last 10 minutes on consoles.

    Well I don't hear it as much anymore. I think most of those trolls have left the game lol

    I do however sometimes end up with people in Cyrodiil that do it in Group Chat though...
    Edited by UltimaJoe777 on October 15, 2015 5:30AM
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  • Taz
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    My main experience was in LotRO hearing the music but since it's all played on lutes/drums/harps/flutes/etc, it sounded very mild and still felt immersive and fun even if you were getting Rick Rolled. I'd still really love to see this in. :D
  • bryanhaas
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    Taz wrote: »
    I would love to see players being able to play instruments in game. Not just a few tunes looped into the /lute, /flute and /drum emotes, but full-fledged songs you can play in game.

    Why add a player music system?
    This is user-created content, in a nutshell. People can form bands, entertain others, work on creating their own tunes, host 'Battle of the Bards' type of tournaments and in general it increases enjoyment and immersion of the game. It's a mini-game that helps with quality of life, and it's been requested and suggested by others before.

    How does it work?
    Obviously ZOS can figure out how they personally would want to see it implemented, but some games have used an MML system (Mabinogi, ArcheAge) or ABC system (LotRO). Whether it be implemented as files you can access in game, much like an addon (preferred), or music sheets you actually compose in game (not advisable unless we get a separate containment or tab for it because nobody wants the extra bag clutter), there are different ways to put it in. I would much rather see the ability to play music with some ABC notation, for example, than see instruments added that you can only play on the spot using keystrokes.

    How will this be profitable?
    Aside from a general quality of life addition, I see it like this:
    We start off being able to play three basic instruments, the lute, flute and drum. What if we want more? Well, just take a look at the Crown Store! There you can buy Harp Lessons for a modest fee for one of your characters. Want to learn the Reachman Bagpipes, used to honor the songs of Hagravens? You can get lessons for those too!

    What if I don't want to be Rickrolled on a lute?
    Of course with the introduction of this system, you would also want to add in a separate volume system just for player music. Don't want to hear it? Slide it to 0, it'll never be a problem. Popular songs don't sound too terrible or immersion-breaking when played on a lute, though, so I recommend giving your local bards a listen!


    Why am I repeating a suggestion that others have requested before? Same reason anyone does I suppose; I haven't seen it mentioned in a while and more exposure means more of a chance to get feedback and show ZOS the interest an idea has. Just because a game needs base and system improvements doesn't mean we can't also suggest more of these quality of life things. After hearing the same flute, lute and drum songs over and over again while waiting in dungeons or hanging at the tavern, I'm really wishing for such a system to come soon. It isn't just an RPer thing. I am so not biased just because I RP a bard.

    Comments, suggestions, critiques, wholehearted agreements?

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    You just hurt Brad Derrick's soul.
    Edited by elias.stormneb18_ESO on October 15, 2015 5:22PM
  • Arunei
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    Can I load my own .MP3 files in so I can play dubstep out of my flute and play Lil Wayne out of my drum?
    Flutestep! *harmonious wubs everywhere*

    I would settle for having a few more instruments and/or being able to pick what song we played instead of having to cycle through them. For example /lute1 could be The Planemeld is Nigh, /lute2 could be Sway As We Kiss. You get the idea.
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  • Gidorick
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    I love the idea but I think the best way to implement this kind of system is to house a blank music sheet in the players journal. ZOS could then sell empty pages of music in the Crown Store that would allow players to have more than one sheet of music.

    We currently only have Lute, Flute and Drums in ESO... ZOS could sell additional instruments in the Crown Store. They could also sell different looks for instruments. Perhaps they could sell instrument motifs. Want a daedric citole? You must buy the Citole AND the Daedric instrument motif.

    I go over some instruments that could be added here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149100/musical-additions-in-eso/p1

    Oh, and all of this should ONLY be added once the Bard's College in Solitude is added. Add a Bard's Guild with different skills that allow players to use more complex notes in their music composition and/or harmonize with other players to form a band.
    http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Bards_College

    Lastly, ZOS could also sell finished music sheets in the crown store of specific songs.
    Between selling blank music sheets, full music sheets with songs, instruments, and instrument motifs ZOS would make a mint in Crowns.
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  • Uneed2Stop
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    Artheiron wrote: »
    @NateAssassin MP3 files, lil wayne, is this your first mmorpg?
    Yeah man, I started playing on Club Penguin but I got banned for being mean to others on the internet and spreading penguin racial supremacy so I came to ESO a few days ago. Also what does "MMORPG" mean?

    Massive multiplayer online role playing game, if you weren't being sarcastic lol
  • CJohnson81
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    At the very least, the current instruments should all play the same song. You ever try to get a band together in ESO? It sounds like an orchestra warming up.

    I think the playing part could be a fun mini-game if it was one of those timed rhythm things like guitar hero or how they did it in Fable. Play to unlock songs, etc. And it should absolutely be a part of the bard's college.
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  • CJohnson81
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    Also, as a musician and composer, I love the idea of creating my own songs to play. I learned to program MIDI while writing my own music for Duke Nukem 3D and that's been carried with me for the last 16-17 years. I would be interested in doing something like that here, but I'm a console player, and my pea-brain doesn't exactly understand how it could be implemented. Good thing that's not my job!
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  • CJohnson81
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    Watkins wrote: »
    Thymos wrote: »
    I'd rather have more quest content, before they put any focus on mini-games or side stuff that have no real bearing on character development.

    Personally I'd rather see more mini-games and "fluff", as the other guy put it, than more repetitive quests that I'll just spam E through, or dungeons which don't really bring me any enjoyment. In order, this is what I'd like to see:

    Player Housing -> Player Music -> Mini-games like horse racing, card games, etc.

    For the last one (mini-games) I'd like to see Red Dead Redemption-esque ones - poker, blackjack, five finger fillet, etc.. Maybe that's because they were incredibly fun, maybe that's because I'm still spiteful that it was never released for PC, or maybe both.

    PvP card games in the pubs, taverns and kitchens would be awesoooooome! I really loved the poker dice game in The Witcher.
    Edited by CJohnson81 on October 16, 2015 8:12PM
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