contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

DK is way worse. Almost every class skill is destroyed.

You're a bit of a drama queen aren't you? An angry one at that.

Yes I am an angry one when a sorc says a DK is almost as bad off as a sorc.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw

Take notes and learn!

Only posting this considering your last 3 posts have been a waste of time to read

Sorry dude BUT only one thing in pvp shows which class is best : the leaderboard, and this one says 45% sorcerers, 45% nb, about 8% DK and templars are not almost here.

Sure you can always find a top player DK or templar, but this is an exception and this do not means nothing. with my v16 temp full stuff etc i can do a montage showing my highlights, but my K/D ratio is way higher with my sorcerer and even my baby NB than the templar, because those 2 classes are way stronger than the 2 others.

Leaderboards huh? You do realize the only thing the leaderboards measure is accumulated AP? accumulated AP does not translate to skill.

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it with some CP into increased healing.

If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.

Once someone uses healdebuffs you need purge also. Three extra abilities addet to normal defense spells just to counter the set. Nice one.

Thats what all magicka templars use to PvP since we were not given the pleasure to use a good class based damage shield. Considering the amount of times i spam the BoL button, i would take equivalent strength blazing shield of hardened ward. Even if it was with 6 second duration. The idea of shields negating execute damage and crits and denying damage before its done is worth alot. Sorcs just want it the easy way.

Are you kidding me?

A templar needs their classpurge and bol.

A sorc needs restoheal1 + restoheal2 + alliancepurge + classshield.

All to fight against a freaking setbonus. But thanks for smearing your ignorance into everyones face who bothers to read this topic.

And yet i cant put up a 20k shield and deal damage while staying *safe* for the next 20 seconds after casting 2/3 spells. You clearly have never played a templar, or atleast have been a good one.

I have played a sorc and rekt alot of faces and SB isnt the issue, and im super bad on a sorc. Not like any of the REALLY good sorcs are crying about a set here either. A bunch of mediocre *organized* zergers or duel-only shieldstackers crying over and over.

Get over it, clearly L2P issue.

I can safely say hands down that Derra is one of the best sorcs on the EU server.

Even through all the "sorcsploits" that were going around Derra didn't have 14 mundus stones and didn't have an extra 2k magicka because he accidentally left Mage light on his overload bar but yet he could still and would still destroy 9/10 enemies he fought. I'm not sure where you have been fighting but i hope one day you will cross paths and maybe you will see for yourself that L2P is not the issue here.

9/10 enemies stands for the Duels, right? Lol. Thats what most of the *known* EU sorcs do anyways. ~ That includes sorc montages with 9/10 duel-kills being Dawnbreakered.

None of the guys who are actually good at small-scale and sorcs ever complained about SB. They admit its strong, i admit it strong too. Thing is, the set puts balance into the place and makes people shift the meta into something else than 3x shields and whatever else you want.

~ You can still 1v1 against a SB.
~ You can 1vX against no SB around, easily.
~ You cant 1vX against SB unless you play it out properly.

All you slackers are trying to do is use the same OP Sorc 1.6 meta on a different patch. Move on. Improve.

Good game good night

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it with some CP into increased healing.

If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.

Once someone uses healdebuffs you need purge also. Three extra abilities addet to normal defense spells just to counter the set. Nice one.

Thats what all magicka templars use to PvP since we were not given the pleasure to use a good class based damage shield. Considering the amount of times i spam the BoL button, i would take equivalent strength blazing shield of hardened ward. Even if it was with 6 second duration. The idea of shields negating execute damage and crits and denying damage before its done is worth alot. Sorcs just want it the easy way.

Are you kidding me?

A templar needs their classpurge and bol.

A sorc needs restoheal1 + restoheal2 + alliancepurge + classshield.

All to fight against a freaking setbonus. But thanks for smearing your ignorance into everyones face who bothers to read this topic.

And yet i cant put up a 20k shield and deal damage while staying *safe* for the next 20 seconds after casting 2/3 spells. You clearly have never played a templar, or atleast have been a good one.

I have played a sorc and rekt alot of faces and SB isnt the issue, and im super bad on a sorc. Not like any of the REALLY good sorcs are crying about a set here either. A bunch of mediocre *organized* zergers or duel-only shieldstackers crying over and over.

Get over it, clearly L2P issue.

I can safely say hands down that Derra is one of the best sorcs on the EU server.

Even through all the "sorcsploits" that were going around Derra didn't have 14 mundus stones and didn't have an extra 2k magicka because he accidentally left Mage light on his overload bar but yet he could still and would still destroy 9/10 enemies he fought. I'm not sure where you have been fighting but i hope one day you will cross paths and maybe you will see for yourself that L2P is not the issue here.

9/10 enemies stands for the Duels, right? Lol. Thats what most of the *known* EU sorcs do anyways. ~ That includes sorc montages with 9/10 duel-kills being Dawnbreakered.

None of the guys who are actually good at small-scale and sorcs ever complained about SB. They admit its strong, i admit it strong too. Thing is, the set puts balance into the place and makes people shift the meta into something else than 3x shields and whatever else you want.

~ You can still 1v1 against a SB.
~ You can 1vX against no SB around, easily.
~ You cant 1vX against SB unless you play it out properly.

All you slackers are trying to do is use the same OP Sorc 1.6 meta on a different patch. Move on. Improve.

Good game good night

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ChUi94sNK6Y

Derra led 90% of those groups, it's a 20 minute long video so I don't expect you to watch it all but at least have a look, get some popcorn (sweet because your a bit too salty already) and then tell me that he is not "actually good at small scale" or a "slacker".

Your throwing a lot of these terms around calling people slackers etc and don't take me the wrong way here when I say this because I wouldn't say I'm a top player at all but if sorc was so OP then why did u suck so bad and why do you not play it anymore, couldn't move on and improve?

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it with some CP into increased healing.

If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.

Once someone uses healdebuffs you need purge also. Three extra abilities addet to normal defense spells just to counter the set. Nice one.

Thats what all magicka templars use to PvP since we were not given the pleasure to use a good class based damage shield. Considering the amount of times i spam the BoL button, i would take equivalent strength blazing shield of hardened ward. Even if it was with 6 second duration. The idea of shields negating execute damage and crits and denying damage before its done is worth alot. Sorcs just want it the easy way.

Are you kidding me?

A templar needs their classpurge and bol.

A sorc needs restoheal1 + restoheal2 + alliancepurge + classshield.

All to fight against a freaking setbonus. But thanks for smearing your ignorance into everyones face who bothers to read this topic.

And yet i cant put up a 20k shield and deal damage while staying *safe* for the next 20 seconds after casting 2/3 spells. You clearly have never played a templar, or atleast have been a good one.

I have played a sorc and rekt alot of faces and SB isnt the issue, and im super bad on a sorc. Not like any of the REALLY good sorcs are crying about a set here either. A bunch of mediocre *organized* zergers or duel-only shieldstackers crying over and over.

Get over it, clearly L2P issue.

I can safely say hands down that Derra is one of the best sorcs on the EU server.

Even through all the "sorcsploits" that were going around Derra didn't have 14 mundus stones and didn't have an extra 2k magicka because he accidentally left Mage light on his overload bar but yet he could still and would still destroy 9/10 enemies he fought. I'm not sure where you have been fighting but i hope one day you will cross paths and maybe you will see for yourself that L2P is not the issue here.

9/10 enemies stands for the Duels, right? Lol. Thats what most of the *known* EU sorcs do anyways. ~ That includes sorc montages with 9/10 duel-kills being Dawnbreakered.

None of the guys who are actually good at small-scale and sorcs ever complained about SB. They admit its strong, i admit it strong too. Thing is, the set puts balance into the place and makes people shift the meta into something else than 3x shields and whatever else you want.

~ You can still 1v1 against a SB.
~ You can 1vX against no SB around, easily.
~ You cant 1vX against SB unless you play it out properly.
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All you slackers are trying to do is use the same OP Sorc 1.6 meta on a different patch. Move on. Improve.

Good game good night

Your argument would be valid if most sorcs were still shield stacking. The majority who have adapted only use 1 shield (Hardened Ward - Class Shield).

Small-scale PvP or large-scale is completely different scenario, where you are most likely running a "group spec" and can depend (usually) on a designated healer in group.

The fact you believe all sorcs are still trying to do the same thing (and yes I admit some are) is silly. The old meta is out dated and clunky for the new patch and changes did have to be made. However with those changes SB still comes out usually on top.

~ You can still 1v1 against a SB. - Depends on the class and skill level of the player... either way the fight favors the SB user. Not saying it isn't doable, but not no where near as easy if I was a class who didn't have to depend on shields.

~ You can 1vX against no SB around, easily. - This is also dependant on the skill level of the players you are fighting. If I'm fighting pugs/pve'ers? Sure. But if I am fighting actual pvp'ers and good players... most likely I will not win.

~ You cant 1vX against SB unless you play it out properly. - Same as the scenario before but heavily tipped in the X's situation.

This set does not bring balance, but diminishes any sorcs play style. Experienced PvP'ers/Sorcs have trouble with the set, and new players/pve'ers get utterly destroyed. If ZoS wanted to bring balance, they should not implement it in a set but rather a buff system or something similar.

Instead of calling "L2P" or criticizing I ask you attempt to have some constructive feedback instead of assuming every sorc is bad and hasn't attempted to change "metas."

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it with some CP into increased healing.

If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.

Once someone uses healdebuffs you need purge also. Three extra abilities addet to normal defense spells just to counter the set. Nice one.

Thats what all magicka templars use to PvP since we were not given the pleasure to use a good class based damage shield. Considering the amount of times i spam the BoL button, i would take equivalent strength blazing shield of hardened ward. Even if it was with 6 second duration. The idea of shields negating execute damage and crits and denying damage before its done is worth alot. Sorcs just want it the easy way.

Are you kidding me?

A templar needs their classpurge and bol.

A sorc needs restoheal1 + restoheal2 + alliancepurge + classshield.

All to fight against a freaking setbonus. But thanks for smearing your ignorance into everyones face who bothers to read this topic.

And yet i cant put up a 20k shield and deal damage while staying *safe* for the next 20 seconds after casting 2/3 spells. You clearly have never played a templar, or atleast have been a good one.

I have played a sorc and rekt alot of faces and SB isnt the issue, and im super bad on a sorc. Not like any of the REALLY good sorcs are crying about a set here either. A bunch of mediocre *organized* zergers or duel-only shieldstackers crying over and over.

Get over it, clearly L2P issue.

I can safely say hands down that Derra is one of the best sorcs on the EU server.

Even through all the "sorcsploits" that were going around Derra didn't have 14 mundus stones and didn't have an extra 2k magicka because he accidentally left Mage light on his overload bar but yet he could still and would still destroy 9/10 enemies he fought. I'm not sure where you have been fighting but i hope one day you will cross paths and maybe you will see for yourself that L2P is not the issue here.

9/10 enemies stands for the Duels, right? Lol. Thats what most of the *known* EU sorcs do anyways. ~ That includes sorc montages with 9/10 duel-kills being Dawnbreakered.

None of the guys who are actually good at small-scale and sorcs ever complained about SB. They admit its strong, i admit it strong too. Thing is, the set puts balance into the place and makes people shift the meta into something else than 3x shields and whatever else you want.

~ You can still 1v1 against a SB.
~ You can 1vX against no SB around, easily.
~ You cant 1vX against SB unless you play it out properly.

All you slackers are trying to do is use the same OP Sorc 1.6 meta on a different patch. Move on. Improve.

Good game good night

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ChUi94sNK6Y

Derra led 90% of those groups, it's a 20 minute long video so I don't expect you to watch it all but at least have a look, get some popcorn (sweet because your a bit too salty already) and then tell me that he is not "actually good at small scale" or a "slacker".

Your throwing a lot of these terms around calling people slackers etc and don't take me the wrong way here when I say this because I wouldn't say I'm a top player at all but if sorc was so OP then why did u suck so bad and why do you not play it anymore, couldn't move on and improve?

Even my sister who has never played a video game would do decent on a 1.6 Magicka Sorc. All i saw in that vid was a bombard spamming NB. I played a sorc for a week, got it to rank 7 for deto and left it out. The difference on playing it solo and small-man group was insanely unfair.

Didnt really feel like playing a sorc on 1.6 past hitting it rank 7 for magicka detonation. All this time 1vX meant something and i had to work for it as a templar. Now when i entered cyro on a sorc i rekt people left and right with ease. EASE. 1vX was nothing and i didnt even try to 1v1 but rather bait multiple people so i get more AP/Hour.

Now you can deny everything and put up more 1.6 Shieldstacking meta videos featuring bombard spamming NBs, or move along and live with SB in the game.

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it with some CP into increased healing.

If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.

Once someone uses healdebuffs you need purge also. Three extra abilities addet to normal defense spells just to counter the set. Nice one.

Thats what all magicka templars use to PvP since we were not given the pleasure to use a good class based damage shield. Considering the amount of times i spam the BoL button, i would take equivalent strength blazing shield of hardened ward. Even if it was with 6 second duration. The idea of shields negating execute damage and crits and denying damage before its done is worth alot. Sorcs just want it the easy way.

Are you kidding me?

A templar needs their classpurge and bol.

A sorc needs restoheal1 + restoheal2 + alliancepurge + classshield.

All to fight against a freaking setbonus. But thanks for smearing your ignorance into everyones face who bothers to read this topic.

And yet i cant put up a 20k shield and deal damage while staying *safe* for the next 20 seconds after casting 2/3 spells. You clearly have never played a templar, or atleast have been a good one.

I have played a sorc and rekt alot of faces and SB isnt the issue, and im super bad on a sorc. Not like any of the REALLY good sorcs are crying about a set here either. A bunch of mediocre *organized* zergers or duel-only shieldstackers crying over and over.

Get over it, clearly L2P issue.

I can safely say hands down that Derra is one of the best sorcs on the EU server.

Even through all the "sorcsploits" that were going around Derra didn't have 14 mundus stones and didn't have an extra 2k magicka because he accidentally left Mage light on his overload bar but yet he could still and would still destroy 9/10 enemies he fought. I'm not sure where you have been fighting but i hope one day you will cross paths and maybe you will see for yourself that L2P is not the issue here.

9/10 enemies stands for the Duels, right? Lol. Thats what most of the *known* EU sorcs do anyways. ~ That includes sorc montages with 9/10 duel-kills being Dawnbreakered.

None of the guys who are actually good at small-scale and sorcs ever complained about SB. They admit its strong, i admit it strong too. Thing is, the set puts balance into the place and makes people shift the meta into something else than 3x shields and whatever else you want.

~ You can still 1v1 against a SB.
~ You can 1vX against no SB around, easily.
~ You cant 1vX against SB unless you play it out properly.

All you slackers are trying to do is use the same OP Sorc 1.6 meta on a different patch. Move on. Improve.

Good game good night

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ChUi94sNK6Y

Derra led 90% of those groups, it's a 20 minute long video so I don't expect you to watch it all but at least have a look, get some popcorn (sweet because your a bit too salty already) and then tell me that he is not "actually good at small scale" or a "slacker".

Your throwing a lot of these terms around calling people slackers etc and don't take me the wrong way here when I say this because I wouldn't say I'm a top player at all but if sorc was so OP then why did u suck so bad and why do you not play it anymore, couldn't move on and improve?

Even my sister who has never played a video game would do decent on a 1.6 Magicka Sorc. All i saw in that vid was a bombard spamming NB. I played a sorc for a week, got it to rank 7 for deto and left it out. The difference on playing it solo and small-man group was insanely unfair.

Didnt really feel like playing a sorc on 1.6 past hitting it rank 7 for magicka detonation. All this time 1vX meant something and i had to work for it as a templar. Now when i entered cyro on a sorc i rekt people left and right with ease. EASE. 1vX was nothing and i didnt even try to 1v1 but rather bait multiple people so i get more AP/Hour.

Now you can deny everything and put up more 1.6 Shieldstacking meta videos featuring bombard spamming NBs, or move along and live with SB in the game.

Ok now your just completely changing your argument. Are there anymore rules or guidelines I need to know about regarding small scale fighting? He still leads those groups on 1.7 so have a look on Yuke's page if you want but plz beware that we still use proxy det!

As for your sister doing well on a magicka sorc who's never played the game before, you said you sucked on your sorc so I think your exaggerating just a tad. OH, but wait! You then went on to tell me how big your muscles are in 1vX! So far your whole argument has been a complete mess and you have simply thrown around salty words at your hatred for sorcs whilst you have contradicted yourself a number of times.

Go play your sorc, don't use proxy det or shields and go rek some more people with your big muscles to cool off!

I did not change my argument. I stated a fact that almost all *known* EU sorcs only zerg with their 24man groups or duel. Or atleast did so in 1.6 since i didnt really follow any of them since then.

Fact 1) Dueling on a sorc on 1.6 was piece of cake. You actually had to make huge mistakes to lose a fight to a non-sorc or miscalculate bursts against another sorc.
Fact 2) Dueling on a sorc in 1.7 is still a piece of cake, even against SB.
Fact 3) You are still able to face-tank multiple people.
Fact 4) You are NO LONGER able to face tank multiple people when someone has SB.

I dont really understand where do you see the problem? is it the 2k dps that goes through shields or the fact that you have to slot certain abilities to counter a certain set/build?

I am sure most of NBs would love to run Purge on their bars, but they dont use it since it takes a slot for another spell.
I am sure most of Templars would love to run Eclipse to counter a sorc, but they dont since theres no slot left.

These are just random examples of how certain spells counter a class/build/spell or whatever.

Dont feel so sad that you have to change your build in this current-new meta of players countering your shields. Should I feel sad when i get in a 1vx and X has a random templar spamming dark flares on me so I cant heal up because I cant even reflect them? I know right, i got tools for it, i just dont use them. You got tools also, you just dont use them either.

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it with some CP into increased healing.

If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.

Once someone uses healdebuffs you need purge also. Three extra abilities addet to normal defense spells just to counter the set. Nice one.

Thats what all magicka templars use to PvP since we were not given the pleasure to use a good class based damage shield. Considering the amount of times i spam the BoL button, i would take equivalent strength blazing shield of hardened ward. Even if it was with 6 second duration. The idea of shields negating execute damage and crits and denying damage before its done is worth alot. Sorcs just want it the easy way.

Are you kidding me?

A templar needs their classpurge and bol.

A sorc needs restoheal1 + restoheal2 + alliancepurge + classshield.

All to fight against a freaking setbonus. But thanks for smearing your ignorance into everyones face who bothers to read this topic.

And yet i cant put up a 20k shield and deal damage while staying *safe* for the next 20 seconds after casting 2/3 spells. You clearly have never played a templar, or atleast have been a good one.

I have played a sorc and rekt alot of faces and SB isnt the issue, and im super bad on a sorc. Not like any of the REALLY good sorcs are crying about a set here either. A bunch of mediocre *organized* zergers or duel-only shieldstackers crying over and over.

Get over it, clearly L2P issue.

I can safely say hands down that Derra is one of the best sorcs on the EU server.

Even through all the "sorcsploits" that were going around Derra didn't have 14 mundus stones and didn't have an extra 2k magicka because he accidentally left Mage light on his overload bar but yet he could still and would still destroy 9/10 enemies he fought. I'm not sure where you have been fighting but i hope one day you will cross paths and maybe you will see for yourself that L2P is not the issue here.

9/10 enemies stands for the Duels, right? Lol. Thats what most of the *known* EU sorcs do anyways. ~ That includes sorc montages with 9/10 duel-kills being Dawnbreakered.

None of the guys who are actually good at small-scale and sorcs ever complained about SB. They admit its strong, i admit it strong too. Thing is, the set puts balance into the place and makes people shift the meta into something else than 3x shields and whatever else you want.

~ You can still 1v1 against a SB.
~ You can 1vX against no SB around, easily.
~ You cant 1vX against SB unless you play it out properly.

All you slackers are trying to do is use the same OP Sorc 1.6 meta on a different patch. Move on. Improve.

Good game good night

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ChUi94sNK6Y

Derra led 90% of those groups, it's a 20 minute long video so I don't expect you to watch it all but at least have a look, get some popcorn (sweet because your a bit too salty already) and then tell me that he is not "actually good at small scale" or a "slacker".

Your throwing a lot of these terms around calling people slackers etc and don't take me the wrong way here when I say this because I wouldn't say I'm a top player at all but if sorc was so OP then why did u suck so bad and why do you not play it anymore, couldn't move on and improve?

Even my sister who has never played a video game would do decent on a 1.6 Magicka Sorc. All i saw in that vid was a bombard spamming NB. I played a sorc for a week, got it to rank 7 for deto and left it out. The difference on playing it solo and small-man group was insanely unfair.

Didnt really feel like playing a sorc on 1.6 past hitting it rank 7 for magicka detonation. All this time 1vX meant something and i had to work for it as a templar. Now when i entered cyro on a sorc i rekt people left and right with ease. EASE. 1vX was nothing and i didnt even try to 1v1 but rather bait multiple people so i get more AP/Hour.

Now you can deny everything and put up more 1.6 Shieldstacking meta videos featuring bombard spamming NBs, or move along and live with SB in the game.

Ok now your just completely changing your argument. Are there anymore rules or guidelines I need to know about regarding small scale fighting? He still leads those groups on 1.7 so have a look on Yuke's page if you want but plz beware that we still use proxy det!

As for your sister doing well on a magicka sorc who's never played the game before, you said you sucked on your sorc so I think your exaggerating just a tad. OH, but wait! You then went on to tell me how big your muscles are in 1vX! So far your whole argument has been a complete mess and you have simply thrown around salty words at your hatred for sorcs whilst you have contradicted yourself a number of times.

Go play your sorc, don't use proxy det or shields and go rek some more people with your big muscles to cool off!

I did not change my argument. I stated a fact that almost all *known* EU sorcs only zerg with their 24man groups or duel. Or atleast did so in 1.6 since i didnt really follow any of them since then.

Fact 1) Dueling on a sorc on 1.6 was piece of cake. You actually had to make huge mistakes to lose a fight to a non-sorc or miscalculate bursts against another sorc.
Fact 2) Dueling on a sorc in 1.7 is still a piece of cake, even against SB.
Fact 3) You are still able to face-tank multiple people.
Fact 4) You are NO LONGER able to face tank multiple people when someone has SB.

I dont really understand where do you see the problem? is it the 2k dps that goes through shields or the fact that you have to slot certain abilities to counter a certain set/build?

I am sure most of NBs would love to run Purge on their bars, but they dont use it since it takes a slot for another spell.
I am sure most of Templars would love to run Eclipse to counter a sorc, but they dont since theres no slot left.

These are just random examples of how certain spells counter a class/build/spell or whatever.

Dont feel so sad that you have to change your build in this current-new meta of players countering your shields. Should I feel sad when i get in a 1vx and X has a random templar spamming dark flares on me so I cant heal up because I cant even reflect them? I know right, i got tools for it, i just dont use them. You got tools also, you just dont use them either.

Well i dont really know why you would follow these known sorcs because I dont know how sorcs in a zerg get known when they are surrounded by 23 people...

Annnnnddddd you just done it again. "I didnt even try to 1v1" but now apparently dueling on a sorc was a piece of cake so therefor your fact 1) has no proper meaning.

Your fact 2) is also wrong because fighting a stam NB with half a brain using a variety of attacks with SB is certainly not a piece of cake.

fact 3) yes maybe up to 4 players that have just entered cyro for the first time.

fact 4) is correct!

Derra described a lot further back in the discussion what the problem is with SB and that is the exact answer i would give you right now and as you have mentioned it would only take 1 skill to counter that whereas sorcs need Blessing, RR and healing ward to counter it completely.

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

As I said, im against Duels and find them unchallenging. However, theres a big difference between a duel and an open field 1v1 fight. Ive had many of those.

as for 2), must be a L2P issue then.

3) Not really, shield-per-cast is larger than any heal and most of the attacks meaning you have time to set up dps and still 1vX. I see sorcs 1vX'ing, not so easily as before, but they do it.

Sorcs always used HR. And you need both of Blessing and RR to counter it completely, as you just said it yourself. Meaning you can use 1 of these and play around. Having said that, I proved my point before - "Dont feel so sad that you have to change your build in this current-new meta of players countering your shields. Should I feel sad when i get in a 1vx and X has a random templar spamming dark flares on me so I cant heal up because I cant even reflect them? I know right, i got tools for it, i just dont use them. You got tools also, you just dont use them either."

Ok so again you just proved my point that all of your statements about dueling are completely invalid as you dont do it yourself so therefor you are either making it up or just taking it from someone else.

You keep throwing this L2P phrase in your replies and I hate to have to say it but seriously I have no idea who you are and I play in pvp 90% of my time. The more you reply in this forum is making me question if your name is actually what you are, just a random guy that throws "L2P" at people who clearly know how to play the game and probably more than you.

If you can show me evidence in this patch that a sorc can face tank 4 or more players without hiding behind anything for longer than 30 seconds then ill believe you but so far you have literally just came on here and trash talked but had almost no evidence for anything that you have said.

I proved the fact that sorcs do need to change their build, i never said that they didnt anywhere in my posts but what i clearly showed you is that we have to give up at least 3 slots to have a fighting chance against 1 single set that only requires you to click the left mouse button to be super effective. I missed out purge for when you are heal debuffed so you would actually need 4 to completely counter it. Your examples gave me 1 slot that you have to give up to counter a certain thing or class. How do you think you would do if you had to give up 4 slots just to completely counter someone spamming their left mouse button?

Oh and do I even have to mention that evil hunter goes through with the shield breaker or should i save that for later when you ask me again what my problem is with the set?

Rayste wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

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Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it with some CP into increased healing.

If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.

Once someone uses healdebuffs you need purge also. Three extra abilities addet to normal defense spells just to counter the set. Nice one.

Thats what all magicka templars use to PvP since we were not given the pleasure to use a good class based damage shield. Considering the amount of times i spam the BoL button, i would take equivalent strength blazing shield of hardened ward. Even if it was with 6 second duration. The idea of shields negating execute damage and crits and denying damage before its done is worth alot. Sorcs just want it the easy way.

Are you kidding me?

A templar needs their classpurge and bol.

A sorc needs restoheal1 + restoheal2 + alliancepurge + classshield.

All to fight against a freaking setbonus. But thanks for smearing your ignorance into everyones face who bothers to read this topic.

And yet i cant put up a 20k shield and deal damage while staying *safe* for the next 20 seconds after casting 2/3 spells. You clearly have never played a templar, or atleast have been a good one.

I have played a sorc and rekt alot of faces and SB isnt the issue, and im super bad on a sorc. Not like any of the REALLY good sorcs are crying about a set here either. A bunch of mediocre *organized* zergers or duel-only shieldstackers crying over and over.

Get over it, clearly L2P issue.

I can safely say hands down that Derra is one of the best sorcs on the EU server.

Even through all the "sorcsploits" that were going around Derra didn't have 14 mundus stones and didn't have an extra 2k magicka because he accidentally left Mage light on his overload bar but yet he could still and would still destroy 9/10 enemies he fought. I'm not sure where you have been fighting but i hope one day you will cross paths and maybe you will see for yourself that L2P is not the issue here.

9/10 enemies stands for the Duels, right? Lol. Thats what most of the *known* EU sorcs do anyways. ~ That includes sorc montages with 9/10 duel-kills being Dawnbreakered.

None of the guys who are actually good at small-scale and sorcs ever complained about SB. They admit its strong, i admit it strong too. Thing is, the set puts balance into the place and makes people shift the meta into something else than 3x shields and whatever else you want.

~ You can still 1v1 against a SB.
~ You can 1vX against no SB around, easily.
~ You cant 1vX against SB unless you play it out properly.

All you slackers are trying to do is use the same OP Sorc 1.6 meta on a different patch. Move on. Improve.

Good game good night

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ChUi94sNK6Y

Derra led 90% of those groups, it's a 20 minute long video so I don't expect you to watch it all but at least have a look, get some popcorn (sweet because your a bit too salty already) and then tell me that he is not "actually good at small scale" or a "slacker".

Your throwing a lot of these terms around calling people slackers etc and don't take me the wrong way here when I say this because I wouldn't say I'm a top player at all but if sorc was so OP then why did u suck so bad and why do you not play it anymore, couldn't move on and improve?

Even my sister who has never played a video game would do decent on a 1.6 Magicka Sorc. All i saw in that vid was a bombard spamming NB. I played a sorc for a week, got it to rank 7 for deto and left it out. The difference on playing it solo and small-man group was insanely unfair.

Didnt really feel like playing a sorc on 1.6 past hitting it rank 7 for magicka detonation. All this time 1vX meant something and i had to work for it as a templar. Now when i entered cyro on a sorc i rekt people left and right with ease. EASE. 1vX was nothing and i didnt even try to 1v1 but rather bait multiple people so i get more AP/Hour.

Now you can deny everything and put up more 1.6 Shieldstacking meta videos featuring bombard spamming NBs, or move along and live with SB in the game.

Fail post is fail. Please just stop Nobody. You are losing any credibility you may have had.

Its all fine since all i see here is a sea of bad-average sorc tears who complain about a set which makes them use 2 other spells from their build to counter it. I proved it with facts, you all denied it without any facts.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

And as stated many times and even by the mouth of ZOS shield break is not OP and is not changing or gonna go.

Cause here's the thing in order to have shield breaker you need to be trained in medium armor and wast 5,000 TVS to buy the 5 parts at VR15 and 50,000 TVS on its VR16 counter part and replace your current set with it and not many players are gonna do that because as said again many times before shield breaker is a 1 trick pony.

Get over it shields have a counter now. Now all we need is for detect potions and AOEs buffed up and we have a counter to cloak again.

So being able to take up to 10k through my shield is alright?
You can refer back to my essay throughout this post as to why it is a ridiculous set but im not gona waste my time retyping it all in a different manner but you sound pretty sure about it anyway so i dont see you changing your mind anytime soon. It's lazy, takes no skill to use, its boring and it gives anyone that can use their left mouse button and hides at the back of a group a chance to destroy any magicka player's gameplay.