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Shield Breaker needs to go
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LegendaryChef✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »DK is way worse. Almost every class skill is destroyed.
You're a bit of a drama queen aren't you? An angry one at that.
Yes I am an angry one when a sorc says a DK is almost as bad off as a sorc.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw
Take notes and learn!
Only posting this considering your last 3 posts have been a waste of time to read
Zzoro/Elliot Brown/Baldy ~Kitesquad/Noricum~
PC EU.
Spider mount was the only good part about morrowind release.6 -
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✭LegendaryChef wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »DK is way worse. Almost every class skill is destroyed.
You're a bit of a drama queen aren't you? An angry one at that.
Yes I am an angry one when a sorc says a DK is almost as bad off as a sorc.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw
Take notes and learn!
Only posting this considering your last 3 posts have been a waste of time to read
What does this video prove? Two great players killing bads.
Thanks for the reply. That is a waste of a minute of my life to reply to your sad attempt to talk crap.0 -
LegendaryChef✭✭✭✭✭Darnathian wrote: »LegendaryChef wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »DK is way worse. Almost every class skill is destroyed.
You're a bit of a drama queen aren't you? An angry one at that.
Yes I am an angry one when a sorc says a DK is almost as bad off as a sorc.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw
Take notes and learn!
Only posting this considering your last 3 posts have been a waste of time to read
What does this video prove? Two great players killing bads.
Thanks for the reply. That is a waste of a minute of my life to reply to your sad attempt to talk crap.
Well that was kind of the intention after I read yours.
Wasn't to prove anything it was just one friendly community member trying to help out another member in their time of need and grief in the hope that someday they will have big muscles like Etaniel.
But anyway, back to shield breaker?Zzoro/Elliot Brown/Baldy ~Kitesquad/Noricum~
PC EU.
Spider mount was the only good part about morrowind release.1 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭LegendaryChef wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »DK is way worse. Almost every class skill is destroyed.
You're a bit of a drama queen aren't you? An angry one at that.
Yes I am an angry one when a sorc says a DK is almost as bad off as a sorc.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw
Take notes and learn!
Only posting this considering your last 3 posts have been a waste of time to read
Sorry dude BUT only one thing in pvp shows which class is best : the leaderboard, and this one says 45% sorcerers, 45% nb, about 8% DK and templars are not almost here.
Sure you can always find a top player DK or templar, but this is an exception and this do not means nothing. with my v16 temp full stuff etc i can do a montage showing my highlights, but my K/D ratio is way higher with my sorcerer and even my baby NB than the templar, because those 2 classes are way stronger than the 2 others.Edited by contact.opiumb16_ESO on October 12, 2015 12:28PM0 -
LegendaryChef✭✭✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »LegendaryChef wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Darnathian wrote: »DK is way worse. Almost every class skill is destroyed.
You're a bit of a drama queen aren't you? An angry one at that.
Yes I am an angry one when a sorc says a DK is almost as bad off as a sorc.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw
Take notes and learn!
Only posting this considering your last 3 posts have been a waste of time to read
Sorry dude BUT only one thing in pvp shows which class is best : the leaderboard, and this one says 45% sorcerers, 45% nb, about 8% DK and templars are not almost here.
Sure you can always find a top player DK or templar, but this is an exception and this do not means nothing. with my v16 temp full stuff etc i can do a montage showing my highlights, but my K/D ratio is way higher with my sorcerer and even my baby NB than the templar, because those 2 classes are way stronger than the 2 others.
Well as I said in my post above, this wasn't to prove anything, was just an incentive to maybe work towards instead of coming to the forums to read the first sorc thread they find and blow off some steam at the shield stacking scrubs. Sorcs have feelings too.
And really? You take your reading on what class is best by looking at the leaderboards?
I apologise to the OP for this ending up off topic so I'll make sure my next post will contain nothing but praise for the set that we call "shield breaker" and how it is one of Zos' best additions yet! (Sarcasm, btw.)Zzoro/Elliot Brown/Baldy ~Kitesquad/Noricum~
PC EU.
Spider mount was the only good part about morrowind release.3 -
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✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »Sorry dude BUT only one thing in pvp shows which class is best : the leaderboard, and this one says 45% sorcerers, 45% nb, about 8% DK and templars are not almost here.
The top player in the leaderboards in EU is Taresgos, a guy that runs around spamming rapid regen (that's the only thing he does, I swear) because that's the best way to get AP in the game. So I don't think the leaderboards are a very good indication.
I've said repeatedly that NBs and Sorcs are the top classes in PvP atm and magicka DKs need some love but you guys are taking QQ to the next level with stuff like "every skill is destroyed" and such nonsense.
Also you have to bear in mind that DK is a beast in pretty much every other capacity in this game. Best PvE Tank and DPS and has been since launch. Stam DK is an absolute monster in PvP too. Only the magicka DK lags a bit behind (in PvP) and remember it used to be the strongest class/build bar none for nearly year.
So from the PoV of many other classes who were never really good at more than 1 thing, if that, it does sound a bit like.."I used to be the best at absolutely everything and now I'm not.. QQ".
So yeah, I'm all for buffing magicka DK a bit, but it's hardly the disaster you guys make it out to be.EU | PC | AD4 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »LegendaryChef wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).
I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.
Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.
Hell, I'm leveling one myself
Well they´re basically hardcountering every ranged build available while having the best stamina sustain in the game if redguard...
For dueling there is no better class to be found.
Which is why I'm leveling a Redguard Stamina DK.
Maulkin The Rastafarian is coming like a wrecking ball
*cough* fotm *cough*
I know, I know
I need a break from the Sorc man, I've been Sorcing for 90% of the time for the last 14 months. Went from rank 1 to rank 33 playing solo.
I brought up that manablade for a bit of variety. It's super strong, especially in IC, but pressing that Cloak button every 2" is not for me it seems. I know it's not much different on Sorc applying shields all the time, but it's a preference thing.
I prefer being in peoples faces than weaving in and out of view constantly. I prefer having them screaming "Focus that fecking Sorc!" than "Where is that fecking NB?". I think, being a Sorc yourself, you know what I mean.
Also, I'm keen to try my first stam build. I think it'll make see things from a different PoV too.
Well if you prefer being in their faces tanky stam dk is perfect for you
Crit Rush
WB
WB
Executioner
Let the hate whisper flow
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Force-Siphon✭✭✭✭Orsinium is giving sorcs gear options for countering shield breaker. Plus illustrious healing outheals shield breaker, its clunky but its the best heal counter i have found by far. I agree that it's cheese and tbh stam dk wrecking blow and stam nb surprise attacks have done very well against shields imo. The problem with shield use has always been when using magicka dps against them. To me the theorizing behind this set got it all wrong bc what we needed was a magicka counter to shields, not a stamina one...and this has been said by others too on the forums when talking about shield breaker.
Also, if it wasnt for the high cost changes of our abilities, i probably wouldnt even run harness magicka with the battle spirit changes. And to the people who say that sorcs are the ones running around with no health...i run the same amount of health as some stamina NBs i know for example. And im not going to stack into health with the changes to battle spirit and not be able to kill anyone with decent heals or shields...most people, regardless of class are stacking 64 points into either magicka or stam...look at all the build guides coming out for the update.
At this point the meta is establishing itself where sorc is not on top, was maybe on top or tied with stamina NB in 1.6, and before that we all remember the LA face-roll DKs. I mean even templars are in a good spot right now with some of the heals that people are hitting. Everyone and their mother is rolling NB right now though, it is still FOTM, and the nerf hammer is coming for them next...at which time the infinite QQ will continue. I say bring back softcaps and a lot of these problems that people have with pvp wouldnt exist. Its not a surprise that so many players have left the game since the changes in 1.6.
So, in short, solution to most class QQ would be to bring back softcaps, but of course that won't happen because it would be admitting how far the game has fallen since the glory days of pvp.The one and only Force Siphon - PVP Sorc NA
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✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »LegendaryChef wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).
I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.
Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.
Hell, I'm leveling one myself
Well they´re basically hardcountering every ranged build available while having the best stamina sustain in the game if redguard...
For dueling there is no better class to be found.
Which is why I'm leveling a Redguard Stamina DK.
Maulkin The Rastafarian is coming like a wrecking ball
*cough* fotm *cough*
I know, I know
I need a break from the Sorc man, I've been Sorcing for 90% of the time for the last 14 months. Went from rank 1 to rank 33 playing solo.
I brought up that manablade for a bit of variety. It's super strong, especially in IC, but pressing that Cloak button every 2" is not for me it seems. I know it's not much different on Sorc applying shields all the time, but it's a preference thing.
I prefer being in peoples faces than weaving in and out of view constantly. I prefer having them screaming "Focus that fecking Sorc!" than "Where is that fecking NB?". I think, being a Sorc yourself, you know what I mean.
Also, I'm keen to try my first stam build. I think it'll make see things from a different PoV too.
Well if you prefer being in their faces tanky stam dk is perfect for you
Crit Rush
WB
WB
Executioner
Let the hate whisper flow
This is the Exile way : easy, no brain, zergy play. GG
Wrong thread, wrong context... just... wrong.EU | PC | AD1 -
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✭✭✭Teargrants wrote: »
Why do you say only shield stacking? What are you smoking and can I have some?Shield breaker only works against shield stacking.
What, do you mean only sorcs stack shields? What are you smoking and can I have some?That means, sorcs.
Why can it not mean that the 5 piece bonus is more powerful than is should be? Who said anything about 1v5ing people? What are you smoking and can I have some?If you cant handle a 5set piece bonus and you are no longer able to facetank 5 people and kill them 1 by 1 because of it - clearly L2P issue.
1) Because only sorcs most likely run around with shields up and eat Shield Breaker.
2) Only sorcs can stack shields *worth* stacking. DKs/Templars have bad/non-existant class shields atm.
3) Why should it be less powerful? Its at a perfect spot as it is now. 2k/hit aint a disaster. Meaning if u didnt actually stack shields you would not die since initial damage still damages it.
QQ Sorcs QQ
Shield Breaker procs on any shielding, the idea that it only works against shield stackers is wrong. There are 3 cp passives that provide shields and you can't just ask to not get shielded. There are several item sets that give shields, mostly when you're damaged, but with shield breaker you're just lining yourself up for even more damage. Then there are skills that provide shields to people other than the caster, so unless there is an option to not take a healing ward when you are close to death the shield was more of a detriment to have. I'm sorry if some mean ol sorc came and stole your sweetroll but this kind of mentality is what keeps the nerf wheel turning.1 -
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✭✭Teargrants wrote: »
Why do you say only shield stacking? What are you smoking and can I have some?Shield breaker only works against shield stacking.
What, do you mean only sorcs stack shields? What are you smoking and can I have some?That means, sorcs.
Why can it not mean that the 5 piece bonus is more powerful than is should be? Who said anything about 1v5ing people? What are you smoking and can I have some?If you cant handle a 5set piece bonus and you are no longer able to facetank 5 people and kill them 1 by 1 because of it - clearly L2P issue.
1) Because only sorcs most likely run around with shields up and eat Shield Breaker.
2) Only sorcs can stack shields *worth* stacking. DKs/Templars have bad/non-existant class shields atm.
3) Why should it be less powerful? Its at a perfect spot as it is now. 2k/hit aint a disaster. Meaning if u didnt actually stack shields you would not die since initial damage still damages it.
QQ Sorcs QQ
Shield Breaker procs on any shielding, the idea that it only works against shield stackers is wrong. There are 3 cp passives that provide shields and you can't just ask to not get shielded. There are several item sets that give shields, mostly when you're damaged, but with shield breaker you're just lining yourself up for even more damage. Then there are skills that provide shields to people other than the caster, so unless there is an option to not take a healing ward when you are close to death the shield was more of a detriment to have. I'm sorry if some mean ol sorc came and stole your sweetroll but this kind of mentality is what keeps the nerf wheel turning.
Tbh I don't understand the argument that taking a shield from someone else's ward is detrimental... If you were about to get hit by someone with shieldbreaker, you would have died from regular damage without the shield, and with the shield you will die from shieldbreaker. Either way you needed healing and you failed to get some.1 -
contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »LegendaryChef wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).
I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.
Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.
Hell, I'm leveling one myself
Well they´re basically hardcountering every ranged build available while having the best stamina sustain in the game if redguard...
For dueling there is no better class to be found.
Which is why I'm leveling a Redguard Stamina DK.
Maulkin The Rastafarian is coming like a wrecking ball
*cough* fotm *cough*
I know, I know
I need a break from the Sorc man, I've been Sorcing for 90% of the time for the last 14 months. Went from rank 1 to rank 33 playing solo.
I brought up that manablade for a bit of variety. It's super strong, especially in IC, but pressing that Cloak button every 2" is not for me it seems. I know it's not much different on Sorc applying shields all the time, but it's a preference thing.
I prefer being in peoples faces than weaving in and out of view constantly. I prefer having them screaming "Focus that fecking Sorc!" than "Where is that fecking NB?". I think, being a Sorc yourself, you know what I mean.
Also, I'm keen to try my first stam build. I think it'll make see things from a different PoV too.
Well if you prefer being in their faces tanky stam dk is perfect for you
Crit Rush
WB
WB
Executioner
Let the hate whisper flow
This is the Exile way : easy, no brain, zergy play. GG
Wrong thread, wrong context... just... wrong.
Maybe i should have put a "off thread" before, but its totally true. I know how Exile team work, i know it very well, more than you can think dude
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Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭Talking about changing the SB set without addressing the problem of 20-30K damage shields is silly. If you want to change (or remove) the set what is your solution to deal with Sorcs who were basically unkillable because of their combination of high damage shields and mobility.Tal'gro Bol
PvP Vice Officer [Retired] and Huscarl of Vokundein
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Starshadw✭✭✭✭Stam builds Heals are nearly better then my DPS and I am currently Running 2942 Spell damage.
That is not even adding in the Fact that Stam builds have the ability to Roll Dodge, and Break free alot more then any Mag build can.
Not if they'd like to actually use some skills and do that whole "damage" thing most folks like to be able to do. But sure, if all they want to do is roll around like a monkey, yes, they can do it more than a magicka user.
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✭✭✭Teargrants wrote: »
Why do you say only shield stacking? What are you smoking and can I have some?Shield breaker only works against shield stacking.
What, do you mean only sorcs stack shields? What are you smoking and can I have some?That means, sorcs.
Why can it not mean that the 5 piece bonus is more powerful than is should be? Who said anything about 1v5ing people? What are you smoking and can I have some?If you cant handle a 5set piece bonus and you are no longer able to facetank 5 people and kill them 1 by 1 because of it - clearly L2P issue.
1) Because only sorcs most likely run around with shields up and eat Shield Breaker.
2) Only sorcs can stack shields *worth* stacking. DKs/Templars have bad/non-existant class shields atm.
3) Why should it be less powerful? Its at a perfect spot as it is now. 2k/hit aint a disaster. Meaning if u didnt actually stack shields you would not die since initial damage still damages it.
QQ Sorcs QQ
Shield Breaker procs on any shielding, the idea that it only works against shield stackers is wrong. There are 3 cp passives that provide shields and you can't just ask to not get shielded. There are several item sets that give shields, mostly when you're damaged, but with shield breaker you're just lining yourself up for even more damage. Then there are skills that provide shields to people other than the caster, so unless there is an option to not take a healing ward when you are close to death the shield was more of a detriment to have. I'm sorry if some mean ol sorc came and stole your sweetroll but this kind of mentality is what keeps the nerf wheel turning.
Tbh I don't understand the argument that taking a shield from someone else's ward is detrimental... If you were about to get hit by someone with shieldbreaker, you would have died from regular damage without the shield, and with the shield you will die from shieldbreaker. Either way you needed healing and you failed to get some.
If someone has decent armor they could have warded the damage from normal attacks long enough to do something, or with something like Whitestrake's shield proc, but since the set deals a flat amount of irresistible damage, shield designed to save you end up giving you irresistible damage. As for the "needed healing an failed to get some" healing ward is kind of the better burst heal for non-templars, and its a shield, that's designed to be used on low health targets.1 -
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✭Teargrants wrote: »
Why do you say only shield stacking? What are you smoking and can I have some?Shield breaker only works against shield stacking.
What, do you mean only sorcs stack shields? What are you smoking and can I have some?That means, sorcs.
Why can it not mean that the 5 piece bonus is more powerful than is should be? Who said anything about 1v5ing people? What are you smoking and can I have some?If you cant handle a 5set piece bonus and you are no longer able to facetank 5 people and kill them 1 by 1 because of it - clearly L2P issue.
1) Because only sorcs most likely run around with shields up and eat Shield Breaker.
2) Only sorcs can stack shields *worth* stacking. DKs/Templars have bad/non-existant class shields atm.
3) Why should it be less powerful? Its at a perfect spot as it is now. 2k/hit aint a disaster. Meaning if u didnt actually stack shields you would not die since initial damage still damages it.
QQ Sorcs QQ
Shield Breaker procs on any shielding, the idea that it only works against shield stackers is wrong. There are 3 cp passives that provide shields and you can't just ask to not get shielded. There are several item sets that give shields, mostly when you're damaged, but with shield breaker you're just lining yourself up for even more damage. Then there are skills that provide shields to people other than the caster, so unless there is an option to not take a healing ward when you are close to death the shield was more of a detriment to have. I'm sorry if some mean ol sorc came and stole your sweetroll but this kind of mentality is what keeps the nerf wheel turning.
Tbh I don't understand the argument that taking a shield from someone else's ward is detrimental... If you were about to get hit by someone with shieldbreaker, you would have died from regular damage without the shield, and with the shield you will die from shieldbreaker. Either way you needed healing and you failed to get some.
well it renders any healer but templars useless because of exactly this situation - you are dead for sure if you have not a friendly temp near you as the only other "burst" heal that safes you from death that can be aplied to others is not working anymore.
and it does not require a dedicated LA spammer, from my observations in IC/Cyrodiil on my stamblade(DW/2H) my overall dmg after an evening of pvp is roughly 20-25% hihger in the shieldbreaker set compared to hundings. as there are so many passivly applied shields flying around...spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »
Certainly it's one way to prevent the huge stacking that Sorcs can do atm.
It leaves open the question of what happens to the SB sets that people have bought and upgraded.Tal'gro Bol
PvP Vice Officer [Retired] and Huscarl of Vokundein
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Fenrlr✭✭✭Oh look, sorcs started write *** pages with QQ again, because of 2k thru shields.
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Crystelle✭✭✭Oh look, sorcs started write *** pages with QQ again, because of 2k thru shields.
I question why I still play this game because of these types of players. This isn't even about sorcs either, the set impairs everyone using damage shieldsEdited by Crystelle on October 12, 2015 2:59PMHavoc
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Crystelle Fragments - EP Sorc
Crystelle Radiant - EP Temp
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revonine✭✭✭✭It's called a Shield Breaker set yet it does nothing against shields. Damage straight to health. And the only players I ever see using it are the ones standing back at the back of groups spamming bow light attacks that will never engage you in direct combat. Talk about yawn gameplay. That's more annoying than Sorc shields ever were.LegendaryChef wrote: »
*cricket noises*
>_>
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contact.opiumb16_ESO✭✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »
Certainly it's one way to prevent the huge stacking that Sorcs can do atm.
It leaves open the question of what happens to the SB sets that people have bought and upgraded.
@Talcyndl maybe it was not clear but i said in this thread something like "For Shield Breaker, while we have a very balanced shield mecanic, the set shall give, instead of giving damage through the shields, it can give "100% more damage on shields with any attack (10s cooldown)". It can break shields effectively, as its name suggest."1 -
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✭✭You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it with some CP into increased healing.
If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.Edited by Master_Kas on October 12, 2015 3:39PMEU | PC0 -
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✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »Sorry dude BUT only one thing in pvp shows which class is best : the leaderboard, and this one says 45% sorcerers, 45% nb, about 8% DK and templars are not almost here.
The top player in the leaderboards in EU is Taresgos, a guy that runs around spamming rapid regen (that's the only thing he does, I swear) because that's the best way to get AP in the game. So I don't think the leaderboards are a very good indication.
I've said repeatedly that NBs and Sorcs are the top classes in PvP atm and magicka DKs need some love but you guys are taking QQ to the next level with stuff like "every skill is destroyed" and such nonsense.
Also you have to bear in mind that DK is a beast in pretty much every other capacity in this game. Best PvE Tank and DPS and has been since launch. Stam DK is an absolute monster in PvP too. Only the magicka DK lags a bit behind (in PvP) and remember it used to be the strongest class/build bar none for nearly year.
So from the PoV of many other classes who were never really good at more than 1 thing, if that, it does sound a bit like.."I used to be the best at absolutely everything and now I'm not.. QQ".
So yeah, I'm all for buffing magicka DK a bit, but it's hardly the disaster you guys make it out to be.
Lol taresgos
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Starshadw✭✭✭✭It's called a Shield Breaker set yet it does nothing against shields. Damage straight to health.
Well, there's a reason for that, and it has to do with that fact that you can essentially reapply and stack shields endlessly (with the caveat that yes, you have to have the resources to do so). So something that damages shields is pointless because there is nothing stopping an immediate reapplication of the shield/s.
Sure, they could have tried to come up with a better name for the set, but changing it so the set applies damage to shields would render it useless.
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LegendaryChef✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it..
If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.
Ok so that takes up 3 spaces alone ( RR, blessing and ward) to only heal and you want to completely counter the damage. So that's an extra 2 slots that we have to give up in the small chance that we encounter someone using this set? Yes I understand that sorcs are shield stacking noobs and all of that (for the record I would + for shields being able to take crit damage) but as much as it will pain people to admit, shields are sorcs main defence and that's a fact. And please spare me the stam sorc route Kas
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✭✭LegendaryChef wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »You can outheal the damage. Blessing of restoration + rapid regen is enough to outheal it..
If you're facing multiple players? Well, ZOS don't want 1vX.
Ok so that takes up 3 spaces alone ( RR, blessing and ward) to only heal and you want to completely counter the damage. So that's an extra 2 slots that we have to give up in the small chance that we encounter someone using this set? Yes I understand that sorcs are shield stacking noobs and all of that (for the record I would + for shields being able to take crit damage) but as much as it will pain people to admit, shields are sorcs main defence and that's a fact. And please spare me the stam sorc route Kas
I actually know how annoying those weighted bow LA shieldbreak spammers are, encountered a few of them when playing sorc. If they pop up when I'm solo and I cannot kill them fast, I die unless I have alot of stuff to hide behind (rocks, trees, walls etc). Tough latley I run with just rapid regen on my bar, with LOS and healingward it's usually enough because most people who uses the set this way isn't a very smart player. It is very annoying tough and cheesy.
People who go melee and weave it with their normal attacks is not as big of an issue as those spamming it from range in X vs 1 scenarios.
I would too rather want critable shields than this set. Sadly ZOS likes to take the lazy route.
Best thing to do is to run in a small group and focus the shieldbreak spammer first. But that you already know :P
And yes, shields are obviously a sorcerers main defense. Just as cloak and dodgeroll is a stamina nbs main defense, both of which has gotten a harsh nerf (dodge) and cloak soon too.
I started using shieldbreaker for this reason, magicka builds can spam their main defense (shields) without any regen or cost penalty, when my defenses are nerfed (dodge, soon cloak too). But then again I don't use bow LA spam. Like melee range
A fix could be lowering the unresistable damage of this set, OR remove it and make shields critable.
Its kind of a dilemma for me. I use it on my melee stamblade, basiclly to give shieldspammers the penalty they don't have without this set. But on the other hand when I play my magicka sorc and NB, I hate it alot lol.
Edit: Would never try to force you into the stam sorc route. Sorcerer is in my eyes a ranged caster. Only way I like playing my sorc Edited by Master_Kas on October 12, 2015 5:54PMEU | PC0 -
Talcyndl✭✭✭✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »@Talcyndl maybe it was not clear but i said in this thread something like "For Shield Breaker, while we have a very balanced shield mecanic, the set shall give, instead of giving damage through the shields, it can give "100% more damage on shields with any attack (10s cooldown)". It can break shields effectively, as its name suggest."
Even that would not be very effective against shield stacking sorcs with 20-30K spammable shields and bolt escape.Tal'gro Bol
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✭✭contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »@Talcyndl maybe it was not clear but i said in this thread something like "For Shield Breaker, while we have a very balanced shield mecanic, the set shall give, instead of giving damage through the shields, it can give "100% more damage on shields with any attack (10s cooldown)". It can break shields effectively, as its name suggest."
Even that would not be very effective against shield stacking sorcs with 20-30K spammable shields and bolt escape.
Leave bolt escape alone ffs. -.-EU | PC2