Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Is there a way to opt-out of cross-faction grouping? Personally, I don't care. I'd group with Molag Bal if it meant we had a 4th. But I know some folks in my guild take the whole Alliance War thing really seriously and would never want to cooperate with the "enemy", even in PvE land.

If they took this whole thing seriously, they would know the undaunted don't care who you are or what faction your from.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

a question to that @ZOS_GinaBruno should we be able to group up with members from different alliances just through normall add to group? (outside of groupfinder) is it possible to form a group for trials with members from different alliances? group finder for pvp should work and act how now?(i presume like before only same alliance)

Not yet, but it's something we're looking into for the future.

I am happy to see the group finder, and grouping tools, get some much needed attention.
However, I am rather disappointed that our normal (pre-formed) guild groups will not be able to take advantage of cross faction grouping for PvE Dungeons. A lot of my guildies were really looking forward to this feature.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

a question to that @ZOS_GinaBruno should we be able to group up with members from different alliances just through normall add to group? (outside of groupfinder) is it possible to form a group for trials with members from different alliances? group finder for pvp should work and act how now?(i presume like before only same alliance)

Not yet, but it's something we're looking into for the future.

Sigh....it wasn't assumed but the whole issue for me is that I have friends on other sides so if we could start a group, especially if we are either friends or in the same guild, it drastically encourages use of the tool.

If it's only 100% random and limited to being formed pre-grouping tools queue by same faction the text chat will still be the preferred method. This part of the enhancement needs to come with the base update because of ppl still have to use text chat then there is no point in using the grouping tools in the first place.

concerns: ppl are already apprehensive for good reason
Ppl have no incentive to use it
Ppl don't want to wait for a pug if there is no reward for doing so

Just my two cents tho....just an opinion and some feedback
Happy that you guys are doing something to help out

Part 2 - suggestion
-Award a completed dungeon of any kind with a random class/role specific purple item of the grouping tool is used.
-Award all members with 50%-75% exp boosts if using the tool for a dungeon
-and for geez sakes....add all Trials into the tools

Sorry, but not being able to cross-faction group with friends/guildies is just ... epic fail

I love this idea.

I have no problem with grouping with "the enemy" as long as we can complete the dungeon and they dont troll me because I'm "the enemy".

I just hope the game actually makes people pick a class and roll, before Qing up, the last thing i want is a group full of DPS and no heals, or a 3 heals and 1 DPS, or any other odd ball setup that makes a dungeon not worth the time or effort.

Trials for SURE, this would be nice, but most likely a fail, unless they start working off of an "item level" system so people in green/blue gear @ VR16 with no where near enough health to take a 15k aoe snap get pulled into a 12 man group with not enough healers/dps.... that would require A LOT of extra work.

Keep up the great work ZOS, either way it goes, im a Lifer!

No.

Just make it work. Jesus.


It working is its own reward. For the love of Pete.

While this is far worse, compared to the free inv-based grouping, this is better than nothing.

I wonder what happens if we are grouped up from more than 1 faction, ported in the dungeon, we are at the starting point when one realizes he needs to repair or sell junk or whatever. So he needs to port out.

What will happen with the group? Auto-disband? It would be a failure for the whole system.

timidobserver wrote: »

Idea: Extra key for using group finder to do the daily, alternatively just add a separate group finder daily.

perhaps just an asterisk on the dungeon in the grouping tools that are the daily in the queue would solves this? - perhaps requires someone to accept the quests first.

or in brackets the word [Daily] beside the dungeons in the grouping tools.

Yetizai wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Not yet, but it's something we're looking into for the future.

This is horrible news. With the way guilds are by account instead of by character it makes almost no sense to not allow friends/guildies the ability to form a group no matter what their alliance. Especially since there is no way to race/faction change.

I agree. I've been telling my guildies about the cross factional "improvements" and everyone just can't believe they didn't implement cross factional invites. The current system is just lame.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

a question to that @ZOS_GinaBruno should we be able to group up with members from different alliances just through normall add to group? (outside of groupfinder) is it possible to form a group for trials with members from different alliances? group finder for pvp should work and act how now?(i presume like before only same alliance)

Not yet, but it's something we're looking into for the future.

Undermines a major attraction of cross-faction grouping capabilities.

Not going to lie. Was excited at the prospect of running pledges with cross-faction friends. Excited enough that I might have actually used that group finder to find some DC Pug tank even if he wiped the group 3 or 4 times. Now, I'll probably just going to ignore the group finder as I have done for the past 15 months.

15 minutes and nobody. Useless thing as and before. But I remember it was working (last year after release).

We were four players (two from DC & two from AD) and we were all in finding to the same dungeon. Why this tool can't unite us in the one group?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

a question to that @ZOS_GinaBruno should we be able to group up with members from different alliances just through normall add to group? (outside of groupfinder) is it possible to form a group for trials with members from different alliances? group finder for pvp should work and act how now?(i presume like before only same alliance)

Not yet, but it's something we're looking into for the future.

What about a half pre-formed cross faction group? Can we find the rest through grouping tool?

I've not successfully been grouped but run any....I'm sure the population and play times play a large role in this but for the sake of feedback.

The tools isn't quickly identifying available participants as an Ingame zone discussion I read was that 8+ ppl were all in queue for about 30 mins and none were selected. I half to assume there were at least 1 other player in the two other factions in queue so whatever changes have occurred aren't providing a meaningful impact.

suggestions:
-The tool should after 2 minutes have performed 8 queue searches and tried to party those in queue at least 8 times (once every 15 seconds). This may hit server stability but the point is fast results so ppl aren't in queue long thus reducing server hit if it's even a concern.

-The tool should display each minute some visual representation of which queues are likely to provide immediate, short, and long grouping results based on whose in queue. Those terms are my actual suggestions of a grouping tool category outside of selecting an encounter.

The first screen should list from top to bottom some this as such:

Label: Suggested Queues (and some indicator of a role needed)

Immediate: (5min wait or less)
(Below are examples of a queue selection that can be checked (more than one selection should apply)
-Dungeon-DSA (role needed)
-Dungeon- Fungal Grotto (role needed)

Short: (6 min to 10min wait)
-World- Craglorn
-Dungeon- Banished Cells (role needed)
-Dungeon- spindleclutch

Long: (longer than 15 min but ppl in queue)
-Dungeon- Imperial City Prison (Veteran) (role needed)
-Dungeon- White Gold Tower (Veteran) (role needed)

Suggestion part2:
-Exp bonus of 100% for all types of exp possible while grouped in the dungeon chosen by queue (this encourages ppl to queue and actually run dungeons)

-Gold reward and key reward (the same keys given from the Undaunted dailies) for completing the entire dungeon bosses

-DO NOT ever group unless a person accepts a prompt to be grouped. (DO NOT AUTO group ppl)

-Give ppl the option to reque for another encounter if this is completed while in the same group (disabled until the dungeon bosses at cleared so ppl don't join and then do the same dungeons over n over)

The larger issue:
-Ppl have been burned by trying to use this and the logic based performance is outside of most customers expectations. For consoles, any game that you queue for groups in less than 2-5 minutes on a slow day. Otherwise it's Les than 90 seconds for a 3 person encounter which any normal dungeon can be completed with 3 ppl.


There is no incentive to be bothered with unexpected results

There is no reason to go outside of whatever ways ppl have found to work around these grouping tool concerns

This tool doesn't really work outside of dungeons so a lot of quest specific works is needed as well as a Doleman options and Public dungeon options.