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Let's say good bye to the Champion system, and hello to the Champion system.
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There have been a lot of threads regarding what people think should be done to the CP system. Catch-up mechanics, possible bandaid fixes, high CP hardcaps.
But IMHO, there's only one way to fix it once and for all; reset and rebuild.
Before you start throwing fruit at me (and most likely harder objects), hear me out. It's broken. There's nothing ZOS or anyone can do to fix it at this stage - it's too late. Mechanisms should have been put in place in the very beginning, but there wasn't.
You'd be losing your points with my idea, and it's unfair because it's not our fault, I understand. I'd be losing points too, but I'd much prefer a more balanced endgame than what we have at the moment. Imagine a forum where people don't complain about this subject any more? Yeah, I think it'd be worth it.
If you actually care about this game you'll keep reading my idea. If not, thank you for your time so far and feel free to comment how much you hate me for even suggesting this.
- Reset points to zero
- Hard cap points at 360
- The points you lost in the reset can be spent at a Champion vendor to buy special items such as polymorphs, motifs, tri stat food/pots and other rare items.
We've officially cleaned the slate, reimbursed people for their CPs (somewhat) and fixed the champion system. Now, some additional things need to happen once we're back to square one
- Earning CPs should be easy no matter what you're doing. CPs should be acquired just as fast in PVP as it does grinding monsters all day.
- Once you've reached the 360 hard cap (congrats!), your CPs are turned into a Champion currency instead (uh, CP coins or something?)
- The Champion vendor has a conversion service, to convert your CP coins into other currencies. For example, 1 CP = X amount of TV stones. This gives you the ability to do more with your CPs and adds more goals once you've hit that cap.
I know you guys are going to cringe at the idea of a reset - I do too, but I'm not happy with something so broken in the game I enjoy, and I'd be willing to sacrifice some virtual points for a balanced game. I believe there's no need for more than 360 points, and ensures people place their points strategically.
Let's fix it, and do it right this time.
Peace.
But IMHO, there's only one way to fix it once and for all; reset and rebuild.
Before you start throwing fruit at me (and most likely harder objects), hear me out. It's broken. There's nothing ZOS or anyone can do to fix it at this stage - it's too late. Mechanisms should have been put in place in the very beginning, but there wasn't.
You'd be losing your points with my idea, and it's unfair because it's not our fault, I understand. I'd be losing points too, but I'd much prefer a more balanced endgame than what we have at the moment. Imagine a forum where people don't complain about this subject any more? Yeah, I think it'd be worth it.
If you actually care about this game you'll keep reading my idea. If not, thank you for your time so far and feel free to comment how much you hate me for even suggesting this.
- Reset points to zero
- Hard cap points at 360
- The points you lost in the reset can be spent at a Champion vendor to buy special items such as polymorphs, motifs, tri stat food/pots and other rare items.
We've officially cleaned the slate, reimbursed people for their CPs (somewhat) and fixed the champion system. Now, some additional things need to happen once we're back to square one
- Earning CPs should be easy no matter what you're doing. CPs should be acquired just as fast in PVP as it does grinding monsters all day.
- Once you've reached the 360 hard cap (congrats!), your CPs are turned into a Champion currency instead (uh, CP coins or something?)
- The Champion vendor has a conversion service, to convert your CP coins into other currencies. For example, 1 CP = X amount of TV stones. This gives you the ability to do more with your CPs and adds more goals once you've hit that cap.
I know you guys are going to cringe at the idea of a reset - I do too, but I'm not happy with something so broken in the game I enjoy, and I'd be willing to sacrifice some virtual points for a balanced game. I believe there's no need for more than 360 points, and ensures people place their points strategically.
Let's fix it, and do it right this time.
Peace.
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✭✭✭✭✭If ZOS were to do this, they should convert everyone's current CP to the champion payment or whatever it would be called.
Although I don't personally like the idea of turning CPs into a currency for items as I think ESO has too many different currencies as is.... I do think there are many benefits to this concept and would welcome the additional mechanic to the Champion System.
I do think a hard cap of 360 is entirely too low. I could see with something around the amount of 900. That would be enough for 100 CPs to be placed in every constellation. Players could full up one whole star if they wished, or spread them out. I also don't think players should have to wait before selling their CPs. They should be able to accept a champion payment using any of the unused CPs that they have earned.
What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
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MLRPZ✭✭✭✭✭Why notAD // Marc the Epic Goat // Templar // AR50
EP // The Goatfather // Templar // AR44
AD // Unforgoatable // Sorc // AR33
EP // You Goat Rekt // NB // AR28
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AD // Goat Ya // NB // AR24
AD // Unforgoatten // StamDK // AR 21
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Yep, that would be the idea. Once its reset, your current CPs get converted as a "reimbursement".If ZOS were to do this, they should convert everyone's current CP to the champion payment or whatever it would be called.
This is true, but I wanted to try and add a reason to keep aiming for CPs, instead of hitting the hard cap and having nothing to look forward to in the future.Although I don't personally like the idea of turning CPs into a currency for items as I think ESO has too many different currencies as is.... I do think there are many benefits to this concept and would welcome the additional mechanic to the Champion System.
The idea of the low cap is force players to choose wisely - the way it should have always been. Instead of having so many points you can go "Ah screw it, I'll just throw some in here for good measure", it means people really need to think about their choices.I do think a hard cap of 360 is entirely too low. I could see with something around the amount of 900. That would be enough for 100 CPs to be placed in every constellation. Players could full up one whole star if they wished, or spread them out. I also don't think players should have to wait before selling their CPs. They should be able to accept a champion payment using any of the unused CPs that they have earned.
It also means those who don't have a lot of time to spend on here will have no fear of being too far behind. I don't want people worrying about things like, "I only have 30 CPs, but this guy has 900". 360 is a far more achievable number for any one.
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭I don't even care what they do or don't do, but something really needs to be done to fix this problem.
Who would have thought that this system was going to turn into literally one of the worst things for the game's long term life and health?3 -
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It was the first thing I thought when they first mentioned it. It was absolutely ridiculous from the start.I don't even care what they do or don't do, but something really needs to be done to fix this problem.
Who would have thought that this system was going to turn into literally one of the worst things for the game's long term life and health?
ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)4 -
Lifecode666✭✭✭I want even more people to come into this game so why not...My finnish gamingbuddy joined, but he left when he realized that he had to pvp against people with 500 up to 2000 championpoints..Up the hornz1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't even care what they do or don't do, but something really needs to be done to fix this problem.
Who would have thought that this system was going to turn into literally one of the worst things for the game's long term life and health?
Lots of us, actually... Here are two threads from the first quarter of 2015.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155768/the-champion-system-its-problems-and-a-proposed-solution/p1
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155407/question-for-zos-about-player-separation-in-the-champion-system/p1
What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!2 -
Gerardopg✭✭✭Just make the 25% extra bonus be just 5% so that's it people can still grind champion points but they will no make a big difference2
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✭Why CPs cant reset after each season? Give excessive CP to the next season if you have any. I think if they did this, they could make alot better CP-system to grind.0 -
Vilestride✭✭✭✭✭but if they do that how they ever going to end up putting CP as a crown store item. $3 a CP guys get on it1
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✭Do you remember about the question to reset all accounts to Zero right after release cause of the duping bug?
It was the most gamebraking bug, but nothing, zos fixed the bug 1 week to late, and i dont know, mby some Players where banned back then. but well its not going to happen#makemagickadkgreataigan
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It's not a bad system, in fact I kind of like it, but it was just implemented so badly from the get go that it's beyond repair in its current state. I don't understand how they couldn't see something this powerful without any restrictions wasn't going to come back and bite them in the arseWho would have thought that this system was going to turn into literally one of the worst things for the game's long term life and health?0 -
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✭Yeah take away the progress that everyone has been working had to get to, what a good idea. This would most definately kill it for a large portion of the players in the game, because; if they can do it now, what would they take away in the future?
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah take away the progress that everyone has been working had to get to, what a good idea. This would most definately kill it for a large portion of the players in the game, because; if they can do it now, what would they take away in the future?
Regards, a 250ish CP player.
If their thoughts are, "I've worked too hard to give it up" on such a broken part of the game that is affecting more than themselves, it's a pretty selfish way to look at it. But hey, that's their decision.
I had a feeling not everybody was going to be on bored with this idea, just those who know the only way forward is rebuilding this thing from the beginning. If you care more about your precious advantages than the game as a whole, who am I to argue.
Nothing else needs to be taken away. Just this. It's the only thing that is somewhat beyond repair. Resetting stats is a decision not to be taken lightly and only to be used in worse case scenarios. I believe we've hit that point.2 -
Zavus✭✭✭✭A reset would suck.
Much better solution, drop down anyone who's over 360 to the cap and use the leftover points as champion currency.
Not that I'm for this, but it's just a thought.Zavus - Worst NB NA / First NB RANK 50"Most carried General NA" - Cent Satori
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✭✭✭✭✭A reset would suck.
Much better solution, drop down anyone who's over 360 to the cap and use the leftover points as champion currency.
Not that I'm for this, but it's just a thought.
That's a fair solution too. A lot people wouldn't be far from the 360 mark anyway (hopefully), so it'd take a lot less time for everyone to be on equal ground.0 -
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They've added a cap at 501 with a catch up mechanic to be in place (when Orsinium is released). However, once you've hit the 350 mark it apparently slows right down, so you're more hindered than anything.i left eso because of CP...although i still read the forum from time to time to see whether they fixed the issue or not...obviously from this thread they still did not.
This is what I've been trying to get across. Bandaid fixes aren't enough any more, not with this monstrosity.
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alt3rEgo✭Earning it is always a good idea but there always will be a gap between those who grind the whole day and those who cant grind all day.1
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My biggest problem with the current system isn't that some will grind loads more than others, (I have about 250 and I play a lot, just don't grind endlessly lol) it's the fact that there's no hard choices to be made in how it's spent.
If we look at what skills we can put on our bars for example, we have limited slots, and hard decisions need to be made (and then remade, and remade, and remade till we get our 'perfect' loadout).
Ditto what weapons we equip, we can carry two into combat, no matter how much we might like a bar for each weapon type, we have to make a choice, and each choice precludes us using something else.
If CP's forced someone into going down a couple of branches but that choice excluded others, I'd be much happier with it, even if that meant others had higher stats in some areas, they (we) shouldn't be able to just stack everything into everything with the only limits being our appetite for grinding combined with a willingness/ability to get that perfect set-up (mara, xp pots, etc etc)0 -
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They've added a cap at 501 with a catch up mechanic to be in place (when Orsinium is released). However, once you've hit the 350 mark it apparently slows right down, so you're more hindered than anything.i left eso because of CP...although i still read the forum from time to time to see whether they fixed the issue or not...obviously from this thread they still did not.
This is what I've been trying to get across. Bandaid fixes aren't enough any more, not with this monstrosity.
is that mean no one else will be abe to get more than 501??
what about the people who already got more than 501??
is the cap permanent or they are gonna increase the cap eventually??
what is the catch up mechanic??
still look like a very shady and broken system to meEdited by parpin on October 13, 2015 9:27AM0 -
BugCollector✭✭✭✭Your idea is beautiful, but there's no way Zenimax will listen to you. They're too afraid.May knowledge guide you to enlightenment1 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭is that mean no one else will be abe to get more than 501??
what about the people who already got more than 501??
is the cap permanent or they are gonna increase the cap eventually??
what is the catch up mechanic??
still a very shady and broken system to me
They will still be able to earn points over 501, but they won't be able to spend more than 501. Eventually they will raise that cap again.
If you have more than 501 your points are still there, so when they raise the cap further they'll be waiting for you.
I have no doubt they will raise the cap again once people start catching up.
The catch up mechanic allows people with low CPs to gain them at a faster rate than those with over 350. Once you reach that mark it will slow down. At 501 it will be extremely slow but you can still earn them (just can't spend them).Edited by Alucardo on October 13, 2015 9:30AM0 -
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Thanks man. It's still a bad situation, but I'm trying to make the best out of it. To be honest, I can't blame them for being afraid. Quite a few people would kick up a stink should the points be capped at 350 with no intention of going higher.BugCollector wrote: »Your idea is beautiful, but there's no way Zenimax will listen to you. They're too afraid.
People may leave should they go with my idea, but as they can see from this thread already, people are leaving because something like this isn't in place. Which one is the lesser of two evils? I believe my idea, because we can fix the CP system once and for all.
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✭✭Im one of the most loyal players, and can honsetly say that if I lose my 510 normal well earned cp, im quitting for good.
There is another and way better solution than yours, and that is to make the cp stats and passive useless, but fun, like mounts, costumes and some housing decoration. Basicly everything that have nothing to do with the end game gamebreaking character stats for pvp and pve leaderboards.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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