Very well thought out post 10/10.

Too many posts on this

WB spam wah wah wah

okay, i get massacred by crystal frag spam, i have yet to make a post about it. i hope crystal frag isnt nerfed though. stop crying. if they nerf wb again pve will suffer

We only have 5 skills on each bar less if toggles, I mean what do you expect.

notimetocare wrote: »

That's 90% of how combat works in this game. You really only have 1 or 2 primary damage skills. 2H is WB and executioner. Bow is snipe and a dot, expect much else?

WB has cast time so dodge it. bottom line. Ya there are two main attacks for dps, but the battle does not end there. There is much more to combat then spamming 2 skills. Between keeping buffs and debuffs up, dots, hots, dodging, timing bursts, etc. there is much more to battles. If you can simply spam one or 2 attacks against an opponent, then they do not understand combat and how to properly play. try only spamming 2 attacks against a player that knows how to play and you wont win. it is as simple as that.

svartorn wrote: »

Wrecking blow spam isn't as bad as the people macroing 5 attacks, a weapons swap and multiple heals, and weapons swap back to damage all in a fraction of a second.

ya macroing sux. however, it still has to comply with the rules of the game. Meaning, it is simply a person weaving attacks based on the laws of the game. The idea is that macroing eliminates the need for the player to cancel animations manually and it does it automatically. This still requires the macro to follow the rules of the game. For instance, light attack, ability, block and repeat. This can be done with a macro because it follows the rules of the game. You cannot simply set it up to do a light attack, ability, ability. This would not cancel the animation of the first ability because an ability can not cancel the animation for another ability. So, your claim that there are 5 attacks in the fraction of a second is simply not possible because it would defy the laws of the game. That said, macroing does suck. However, it is the same as a player perfectly weaving attacks with skill. When done perfectly it works just as well as a macro. Ofcourse, macros take the skill and human error out of the equation which is very problematic. Again, I am not advocating for macros just putting a perspective on it that is not loose exaggerations of what they do.

Jitterbug wrote: »

please link a build that doesn't spam an ability

I'm seriously!

Probably the less competitive build in the game?

bowmanz607 wrote: »

[Weaving inherently means the player is not spamming.

So if I weave really fast while I click Surprise Attack really fast you're cool with it..? Then it's skill?

I wasn't interested in a discussion about semantics, I was trying to make the point that any build uses 1 or 2 skills for damage while the rest buff those skills or do defense, stuff like that. I tend to gimp myself and use a lot of abilities which is way above my personal skill level but if I actually killed you, you're screen would still read

skill
heavy attack
skill
etc.

If you use dodge in fight, and if you are a stamina user, you will get out of ressource faster than your oppenements who is just spaming wrecking blow or other skill.. And it doesnt prevent you for the next cc who come with the next WB.

Dodging is just for escape a fight, or leak. SInce 1.7

Jitterbug wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

[Weaving inherently means the player is not spamming.

So if I weave really fast while I click Surprise Attack really fast you're cool with it..? Then it's skill?

I wasn't interested in a discussion about semantics, I was trying to make the point that any build uses 1 or 2 skills for damage while the rest buff those skills or do defense, stuff like that. I tend to gimp myself and use a lot of abilities which is way above my personal skill level but if I actually killed you, you're screen would still read

skill
heavy attack
skill
etc.

Yes i would say that effective weaving is accomplished through timing which come from skilled players. Weaving requires some degree of skill with timing. some people just cant weave. others can sometimes but cant others. some people can do it w/o a second thought that they are doing it. I do not by any means think it is extrmely skillful to pull off. Howvere, there is some degree of skill that goes into pulling it off fluently and consitently in a fight.

and yes your death recap is going to show

skill
heavy
skill
heavy
etc.

however lets break down that thought process for a min. one the skills in between each attack can be different. That aside, when you go to for the killing blow/combo on a player it is going to look like that. so no matter if it is a longer sustained fight or a short burst fight the end will look the same. Why? because you are going to use your main dps weaving ability 2 or three times to kill another player. If your about to die i am not going to buff, debuff, put a dot on you etc. I am going to through my strongest attack/combo at you. So yes your death recap will look like that every time b/c that is how you finish people off. It does not show you the course of the fight. It will not show all the dots i applied through the fight etc. Lastly, ofcourse your death recap will look that way because you dont kill people with buffs and debuffs or heals etc. You kill them precisly that way. Overall, the death recap is just that. A recap of how you died not how the fight played out.
Simply stating that the player spammed one attack the whole fight is just not true. perhaps they weaved there last few attacks to kill you, but that does not mean they spammed one attack the whole time. As mentioned before, spamming one attack the whole time will get you killed. I dont care who i am up against, if all they are doing is spamming wreccking blow and executioner, i will win hands down every time.

Hexyl wrote: »

If you use dodge in fight, and if you are a stamina user, you will get out of ressource faster than your oppenements who is just spaming wrecking blow or other skill.. And it doesnt prevent you for the next cc who come with the next WB.

Dodging is just for escape a fight, or leak. SInce 1.7

this is a point of resource management and understanding your surroundings and what you have to work with. no ofourse you cant just WB has cast time so dodge it. bottom line. Ya there are two main attacks for dps, but the battle does not end there. There is much more to combat then spamming 2 skills. Between keeping buffs and debuffs up, dots, hots, dodging, timing bursts, etc. there is much more to battles then dodge rolling the whole time, that is just crazy. However, dodge rolling effectively can get you a long way. For instance, dodge roll around a corner or a tree or a wall etc. You have mitigated your damage and broke line of sight to reposition yourself. Or dodge roll backwards and swith weapons while dodge rolling to a range attack. Also, some attacks can be animation cancelled while dodgerollling so you can dodge roll and attack. Or dodge roll and then CC them. Or block the first one and then CC them. There is no reason to endlessly dodge roll if you do it effectivly. dodgeroll then streak, dodge roll then cloak, dodge roll and then talon, dodge roll add CC here. again, there are many ways to effectivley dodgeroll w/o eating all of your stamina.

wrecking blow used to be interruptible...so it took skill to get it off...

now....not so much...

and apparently mouse/keyboard macros to get a bunch of skills off is the way to go. I know the global cooldown is supposed to be 1 second...but with macros and animation canceling you can get like 2 attacks off per second at least, maybe more.

Cry cry cry lol that's all people do on this forum

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Cry cry cry lol that's all people do on this forum

LOL another noob WB spammer arrived to this thread!

Lol.... Slayyer, you're noob.... LMAO!!!

You two should post DPS reports for bragging rights.... trololololol