Nightblades... Ridiculous!

notimetocare · October 2015

Lord-Otto wrote: »

*shakes head*
There goes freedom of speech...
You know, if ZOS would actually LISTEN to critics instead of censoring it, I could see this game going somewhere. This is just sad. No personal offense, I know you're just doing your job, Racheal.

Freedom of speech ONLY refers to your right to speak free from punishment from the government. I can say 'you are du Mb as a box of rocks' and ZOS can cut it if they see fit.

xXNesTXx · October 2015

I am tired of this kind of stupid threads, so....

L2P

temjiu · October 2015

It seems that FotM is not something that is universally understood. let me illuminate:

MMO Balance is often like water in your hand....you spend most your time trying to hold it in one way, it slips out the other. balance changes will always result in a singular class being easier to produce results with.

Note I said easier...not better.

Now, the real issue is FotM Players. they tend to be a group of people that are interested in primarily 2 things: one, to always get the highest scores in whatever game they are playing, and two, they like to trumpet the false sense of accomplishment they gain from said achievements. This kind of player will always flock to the class that allows them to achieve these things the easiest.

I would like to add to this that there will also always be a group of players who enjoy a class simply because of the class...they unfortunately get often lumped in the FotM crowd when the balance hammer tips favorable in their direction. they are not part of this discussion, and I hope they enjoy their favorite classes thoroughly.

As stated earlier, NB are currently FotM. I remember many patches when they suffered as the exact opposite. Let them have their glory time, im sure it will eventually fade. to be replaced by another class, of whom we can then complain about. or we can just get on with the game, and enjoy the classes we enjoy.

One last note for the benefit of the discussion: I see no issues with the OP bringing up non-NB specific skills. Class balance is not about the classes individual skills, because no single skill exists in a vacuum. It is far more about how the generic skills, the ones available to all classes, interact with the class in question. so I feel that attacks on the OP based on discussing skills outside of the NB class specifics are nothing more then ad hominem attacks, and most self-respecting adults should avoid using them.

found1779 · January 2016

Looks like someone else agrees nightblades are op

bowmanz607 · January 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class and nightblade skills [Stamina] allways has been and still is the weakest of all the classes. we recently had some help but we are still lowest in damage output and survivability.
the magicka nightblade tho is and might be whaat your refering to? they have allways been high in damage and survive longer.

Wait what? I don't agree with OP, but your statement is just silly. NB have the highest instant cast stamina based dps ability in game. Plus only gap closer in class abilities that is stamina based and empowers itself. Also, a class based stamina aoe. Also, the damage output and survivability of a Stam Nb is one of the best in game.

bowmanz607 · January 2016

willymchilybily wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

nightblade class and nightblade skills [Stamina] allways has been and still is the weakest of all the classes. we recently had some help but we are still lowest in damage output and survivability.
the magicka nightblade tho is and might be whaat your refering to? they have allways been high in damage and survive longer.

Um WHAT? lets review

Sorcs: only have bound armor, its not even an offensive ability its a buff.

DKs have 2 dots. burning breath which debuffs, and unstable flame. nice dots but both be purge and cloaked to remove

Templar has some good stamina morphs. Biting jabs is notably good critical self buff, knock back damage spam. binding javelin a CC with okay damage/range. Dont know how effective power of the light is for pvp.

Now Nighblade:
Ambush- gap closer that can gap close at any range (not aware of any other gap closer that can do this!), immobilizes target for 1 second, making it a great pvp gap closer. and buffs your next attack by 20% via empowered! and it can work to gap close even if the enemy is on a cliff, as it teleports you and so isn't restricted by needing a clear path to the enemy! oh and only stamina class gap closer in game.

Surprise attack- instant cast short animation damage spam, that debuffs the targets armor. if done from stealth/cloak it also cc's the target. and i believe it is more dps than biting jabs? Ergo the strongest class stamina DPS spam skill in game.

Killers blade: an execute. of course most wont use it because they use 2 hander and streamers state executioner or spamming more surprise attack is comparable damage at that point. but this is not so true vs a vampire say in 2.1 and when you include its an assassin ability so through passives boosts your critical chance as well as health regen (though tiny)on kill. its the only stamina class execute in game

Power extraction; okay its naff as you get the buffs from other sources like rally or flying blade, and if you want a stamina AOE you use bow or DW.

To your point on killers blade...
It is not a good execute for a stamina build because it is magic damage. People use executioner because it is physical damage and can be buffed in champ tree without a counter in champ tree. Many times killers blade will hit much weaker than a suprise attack. The issue is that so many players put points into reduced magic damage cause it is one of the best stars to use for defense, so killers blade hits like crap. This is especially true for remaining competitive with the top players in pvp. Many of those players will have 25% magic resuction, so killers blade is useless. Unless I use executioner I do not use an execute becausey main dps will hit harder than steel tornado, poison injection, and killers blade.

ZOS_CoriJ · January 2016

Hey guys, this thread is being locked. It's an older thread, and we want to avoid necroing threads and bringing up topics being covered in more recent posts. Here is a more recent thread on this topic:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/242321/

There are also a couple of threads on specific nightblade techniques easily found on the main Combat forum. Carry on!